Hurry Hurry get your tickets out of Pergatory while there're hot

[desertknight]

What you are "quoting" and I use that term very loosely here, has nothing to do with what you are talking about, that you said involved...

i had a departed loved one who was a bad person and that how much do i need to donat to get him out of pergatory. the respondant mentioned an initial 25 buckeroos

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Really?  "God Bless.............best way to remember my loved one."  And of course, they aren't nuns, but are "assisting" them?  Really?  That's what they told you?  You know, the one, "just around the corner" from the "other one."   LoL.  

"Now I want everyone here to read this challenge to wayne.  I want everyone here to read exactly what he posts in response.  I want everyone here to know that the one thing he is never going to post, is a link to a website, or a phone number, or a contact info. to the Catholic site that he claims is providing an indulgence through a "card", which is doctrinally impossible anyway, that I can use to contact and question them or provide that information to the Diocese and Bishop that they are located in."

I'm not backing down from this one wayne.  Your a liar.

[wayne]

Oh, then in that case than we know it is a complete and total lie.  Those cards are just "intention" cards.  For example, they are for the "intention" of remembering those who are ill at Mass.  "Mass" cards are just that.  They are for those who cannot attend that particular Mass but who want a loved one remembered then.  Funny we don't hear from wayne himself on this, isn't it?.  wayne, is this the company that you said you spoke to on the phone?  

i had a departed loved one who was a bad person and that how much do i need to donat to get him out of pergatory. the respondant mentioned an initial 25 buckeroos

If so, let me know and I will call them and call the Diocese where they are located.  I patiently await...

ah, now it is you my friend that is lying. or misinformed. those people buying those cards think its helping their departed one. no need to kid a kidder. if your beloved church did it befor, why in the bloody hell wouldnt they do it now? doesnt the catholic church claim to never change? please dont make me find the vativan site where that is mentioned. i dont feel good rite now. fever, fluid on the lungs, coughing and spitting like freakin crazy

[wayne]

hold on there desert. i think im not sure of what you say im lying about. can u be specific about what u want me to prove? thanks

[desertknight]

I'm done with you.  Anyone reading through these posts knows exactly what you claimed.  Unlike you, I will let your own words do all the talking.  I should have known from the start when you lied about what you claimed that I said, which was totally false, that you were not a truthful person.    

[wayne]

I'm done with you.  Anyone reading through these posts knows exactly what you claimed.  Unlike you, I will let your own words do all the talking.  I should have known from the start when you lied about what you claimed that I said, which was totally false, that you were not a truthful person.    

i looked for the post for a min. its hard to concentrate with a fever. its not in this thread. will take me a long time to find. and sorry in advance if it wasnt you. but it was someone.

[wayne]

Arise, O Lord, and judge Thy cause. A wild boar has invaded Thy vineyard. Arise, O Peter, and consider the case of the Holy Roman Church, the mother of all churches, consecrated by thy blood. Arise, O Paul, who by thy teaching and death hast illumined and dost illumine the Church. Arise all ye saints, and the whole universal Church, whose interpretations of Scripture has been assailed. (papal bull of Pope Leo X, 1520) and desertknight

It truly seems to me that if this fury of the Romanists should continue, there is no remedy except that the emperor, kings, and princes, girded with force and arms, should resolve to attack this plague of all the earth no longer with words but with the sword. . . . If we punish thieves with the gallows, robbers with the sword, and heretics with fire, why do we not all the more fling ourselves with all our weapons upon these masters of perdition, these cardinals, these popes, and all this sink of Roman sodomy that ceaselessly corrupts the church of God and wash our hands in their blood so that we may free ourselves and all who belong to us from this most dangerous fire? (Martin Luther, 1521) and wayne

[wayne]

The fact that many Catholics under 50 have never sought one, and never heard of indulgences except in high school European history (Martin Luther denounced the selling of them in 1517 while igniting the Protestant Reformation), simply makes their reintroduction more urgent among church leaders bent on restoring fading traditions of penance in what they see as a self-satisfied world.

“Why are we bringing it back?” asked Bishop Nicholas A. DiMarzio of Brooklyn, who has embraced the move. “Because there is sin in the world.”

Is this a good or bad idea on the Church's behalf? Indulgences were what brought a lot of corruption to the church, do you think it's a wise idea to bring these back? At one point, priests were selling chicken bones claiming them to be bones of Mary or a saint! You can't buy your way to heaven! I thought religions were suppose to encourage people to be good people, but this allows them to be bad people as long as they have enough money to buy their way into heaven!

With all of the corruption in our current world (IE a corrupted bush administration, greedy corporations, harsh social hierarchy, politics of fear...) and now you can buy your way into heaven...does it feel like we're moving backward in time?
http://current.com/items/89839768_catholic-church-selling-indulgences-again.htm

[wayne]

well wycliff, you are prophetic. i am going to use the link you mentioned as my example. those mass cards, they are for praying for the dead. some will say , remembering the dead. but the ones who sell them claim they are sent to priests and what not for them to pray for their errant loved one. now, what do you want this prayer to do? the guys dead. what is a prayer going to do. ? ill tell you what the suckers who buy thier mass cards think. they think the dearly departed is benefiting. desert is gonna scream that they dont. he says that they are just simple cards. which they are. but the purchaser thinks otherwise. some people spend fortunes on loved ones who they knew wont make it to heaved being the person they were at death. scads of dioses have gotten rich on this. desert is gonna call me a liarr. poor guy. i wonder if he gets tired of calling everyone a liar who exposes his beloved corrupt sinkhole of vice called cathoic church. ill tell you what. i wouldnt want his job. also desert forgets about all the unsophisticated people in south america and other third world areas that his church is fleecing with more than just indulgences. desert, dont embarasse yourself by saying that is a lie. dont feel bad, protestant evangelists have learned a good lesson from its mother church. they sell god all day long. all im doing is pointing out is that catholics need to wake up and get out befor they die in sin. those rituals the vatican serves up are bogus, and god is not hovering over that church smiling.

[wayne]

hey desert, they did a follow up. how much more do need? here it is:             Dear Wayne
Thank you for your email.  You may wish to use one of our Memorial cards.  This enrolment would mean that the deceased would be remembered in the daily Masses of the Carmelites for a 5 year period.  The card can either be purchased on line at www.&&&&&&r.org or, if you can let me have you address, I can forward a card to you..................... .....i told them that money was no object. what more do you want desert? theres tons of these people around. plus, i think every catholic church sells them or can refer you. i think desert is a vtican Bot that just calls everyone who exposes them a liar, like a mechanical parrot. by the way, i got this email around 2; 50 this morning. somebody there has visions of sugarplums

[wayne]

say bro desert, remember that i mentioned that the true meaning of catholicism is allowed to flower down in south america? i accidently ran into this............[aww crap, i cant get the picture off the site, but heres the text. the picture was a statue of mary with gold crown and bedecked with jewels............The last daylight spiders down from a small ring of stained glass in the ceiling. According to legend, a peasant found a wooden statue of the Virgin in Brazil and lugged it back to Andacollo where it became known for the miracles it bestowed on the faithful.

He found her, it’s told, in a firewood pile, deep under branches and stumps, fully gowned in her white and gold, crowned and bejeweled. Why, we wonder later, deep into beers, would she choose to appear from a heap of timber? “Why not?” shrugs the dark-skinned waiter, smartly snapping off the tops from two half-liters.
The Virgin of Andacollo stands about three feet high. Her white, silken, perfectly isosceles gown, strung with loops of amethyst, covers her from neck to feet. The short brown hair on her wooden head is topped with a gold crown. From her ears, slightly outturned, two leaf-shaped earrings dangle. One of her brown eyes looks sleepy and the other focuses intently downward
But all we can see when we enter the upstairs chapel is her back. Behind a wrought-iron grate, she stands on a small platform looking down into the nave of the church a floor below us. When we press ourselves to the grate, we share her perspective of the empty pews, but her countenance remains invisible to us. Then, just before we leave, we notice a dark rope tied to one rail. Its other end seems to attach, like a crude umbilical cord, below the skirt of the Virgin. I kneel and tug the rope and slowly, without creaking, the Virgin turns around to face us.
what does this sound like to u desert? my girlfriend, who was raised catholic in the east coast, came by yesterday to bring me food and liquids. i have pneumonia. i told here that im conversing with a catholic that claims catholics dont worship mary.  she didnt even hestiate. she said that hes a freakin liar. well, rite from the mouth of an ex catholic

[papist1]

friend desert, why is it that you go up against me? arent there any more defenders of catholic faith around? you know i dont want to ruffle you. hey, ive been meaning to refute one of your statements. you said that sinners crept into the catholic church and caused the trouble and corruption. i want to remind you that all men are sinners. so you have to find another angle as to the corrupt ways of vatican past and present. saying sinners were responsible is too vauge. also, the mass cards for the dead, are useless. they cost, but they are useless. the bible says; it is appointed unto man once to die, then the judgment. step back and take a look at all the verbal twisting and turning you have to do to justify pergatory. its simply anti scriptural. i went to a catholic site where they sell these cards. i told them i had a departed loved one who was a bad person and that how much do i need to donat to get him out of pergatory. the respondant mentioned an initial 25 buckeroos but that we should talk on the phone for more info.i have the email. ill post it in a while. come on desert buddy, denying it wont make it go away. the catholics are circleing the wagons trying to do damage control. denying the activities of the church. just like ploiticians. one gets caugt doing something, that they all are doing, and the rest say; oh what a bad person. he is a renigade. say, why dont you just get out of that religion and you wont have to bend over backwards explaining away the vile and corrupt practices.

exactly the point wayne.

Sin in this life, up until death.

No sin in heaven. Nothing unclean shall enter.

there must be a purification between this life and the next, a purgation if you will, by the blood of Christ and His merits.

The church calls this state of being for the soul, purgatory.

what do you call it wayne?

peace, papist

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

exactly the point wayne.

Sin in this life, up until death.

No sin in heaven. Nothing unclean shall enter.

there must be a purification between this life and the next, a purgation if you will, by the blood of Christ and His merits.

The church calls this state of being for the soul, purgatory.

what do you call it wayne?

peace, papist

FYI, wayne got himself banned a while back, so he won't be responding.