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Re: I can imagine
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2011, 08:03:53 PM »
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I have found that the most rabid anti-Catholics are ex-Catholics.

You should realize however that some protestants become Catholic. It is a two-way street. Yet they are almost never bitter toward their former protestant church as ex-Catholics seem to be toward the Catholic church.

I think everyone should select the church they are happy in for themselves and their family. Peace, JohnR
You have not read much of what I have posted.  I am not anti Catholic.

My son is dating a Catholic girl and I told him that the Catholic/Orthodox church has the teaching closest to the truth then any of the organized churches that I know of.

Jesus told me not to fight the Church when he relieved me of it headship.  My job is to bring it a word.

I would have you know that I shared with four Catholic bishops and was told that I was to continue doing what Jesus told me to do.  One bishop who later became an Archbishop told me that I could speak in the Catholic churches if the pastors of the churches would let me.

No there is nothing I would like better then to have the Church become once again what it was before Constantine the Great corrupted it.     
I am a temple of God where no sin exists. 

No matter who tell one anything about God he or she needs to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

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« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2011, 08:47:52 AM »
Elvisman,
In my first forty years being a Catholic, and a teaching adult information classes for a number of years, never once did I ever have anyone say it was wrong to have a savings account, or a retirement plan.  No one mentioned that interest/usury was an evil.

The Catholic Church owns a bank where it stores up treasures.
Jesus personally told me that it is dangerous to call another man hear on earth father, and it is dangerous to call another man father.

Again Jesus personally told me that we were not to hurt/harm anyone for any reason.  The Church allows men to fight in a just war.  You should know that the Church before Constantine the Great corrupted the Church that a Christian was a pacifist.

This is again tied up with storing up for one’s future, and emphasizes the fact that who one lend something to someone there is no interest charged.  The church does not teach this.  The church teaching has changed to say excessive interest, and that is nothing but water down excuse to allow for people to charge interest.  This again was not allowed in the early Church.

Jesus told us not to have possessions. 

A Christian is dead to sin.  The Catholic Churches teachings have watered down the study of sin, hamartiology; to a point that all one needs to do is say they are sorry.  A serious sin may need to be confessed to a priest.  The Early Christian would never have dreamed of ever needing to confess a sin after the first time.

Nowhere in Hebrews does it say apostasy, it says “deliberately commit any sins

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« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2011, 09:49:42 AM »
Elvisman,You say: “Having a savings or retirement account is NOT what Jesus was talking about.  He was talking about GREED - not taking care of oneself or one's family.
I am a temple of God where no sin exists. 

No matter who tell one anything about God he or she needs to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

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« Reply #48 on: November 18, 2011, 10:18:37 AM »
God gave us the Holy Spirit not the Catholic church to guide and teach us about God.

Just as  Paul learned from the Holy Spirit.

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« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2011, 10:20:32 AM »
God gave us the Holy Spirit not the Catholic church to guide and teach us about God.

Just as  Paul learned from the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 28:19ff shows Jesus sending the apostles forth teaching about God.  God gave us both the Holy Spirit AND the Catholic Church to teach us about God.  The Holy Spirit guides and protects the teachings of the Catholic Church from all error with regards to faith and morals.
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John 13
34 I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.
35 This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

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« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2011, 10:28:19 AM »
Elvisman,You say: “Having a savings or retirement account is NOT what Jesus was talking about.  He was talking about GREED - not taking care of oneself or one's family.

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« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2011, 10:35:32 AM »
God gave us the Holy Spirit not the Catholic church to guide and teach us about God.

Just as  Paul learned from the Holy Spirit.

The gospel of Matthew shows Jesus sending the apostles forth teaching about God.  God gave us both the Holy Spirit AND the Catholic Church to teach us about God.  The Holy Spirit guides and protects the teachings of the Catholic Church from all error with regards to faith and morals.
The Church needs to teach one who has yet to accept Jesus as his or her savior, to give their lives to God.

No one can teach another to know God except God.

(1 Corinthians 2:10-16)  “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God.  After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us.  Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually.  A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men.  As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’  But we are those who have the mind of Christ.
I am a temple of God where no sin exists. 

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« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2011, 10:35:54 AM »
God gave us the Holy Spirit not the Catholic church to guide and teach us about God.

Just as  Paul learned from the Holy Spirit.
Okay, CS - tell me something:
If ALL Christians are led by the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture for themselves - WHY are there over 35,000 "denominations" ALL with different interpretations and doctrines?  Is it the intent of the Holy Spirit to confuse Christians?

Why is it that . . .
Some Protestant denominations believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do not.
Some believe in soul-sleep, while others do not.
Some believe in the total depravity of man, while others do not.
Some believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do not.
Some believe in doctrine of “once saved, always saved

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« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2011, 10:42:06 AM »
Elvisman,You say: “Having a savings or retirement account is NOT what Jesus was talking about.  He was talking about GREED - not taking care of oneself or one's family.
I am a temple of God where no sin exists. 

No matter who tell one anything about God he or she needs to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

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« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2011, 11:03:39 AM »
God gave us the Holy Spirit not the Catholic church to guide and teach us about God.

Just as  Paul learned from the Holy Spirit.
Okay, CS - tell me something:
If ALL Christians are led by the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture for themselves - WHY are there over 35,000 "denominations" ALL with different interpretations and doctrines?  Is it the intent of the Holy Spirit to confuse Christians?

Why is it that . . .
Some Protestant denominations believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do not.
Some believe in soul-sleep, while others do not.
Some believe in the total depravity of man, while others do not.
Some believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do not.
Some believe in doctrine of “once saved, always saved

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« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2011, 11:16:25 AM »
God gave us the Holy Spirit not the Catholic church to guide and teach us about God.

Just as  Paul learned from the Holy Spirit.
Okay, CS - tell me something:
If ALL Christians are led by the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture for themselves - WHY are there over 35,000 "denominations" ALL with different interpretations and doctrines?  Is it the intent of the Holy Spirit to confuse Christians?

Why is it that . . .
Some Protestant denominations believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do not.
Some believe in soul-sleep, while others do not.
Some believe in the total depravity of man, while others do not.
Some believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do not.
Some believe in doctrine of “once saved, always saved
John 13
34 I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.
35 This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

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« Reply #56 on: November 18, 2011, 11:19:05 AM »
First tell me this- Why has the Catholic church changed it viewpoints/dogmas/doctrines through out the past 2,000 years or so?

The Church has NEVER changes a doctrine or Dogmatic position.  That is an anti-Catholic myth.
I challenge you to provide ONE example.

Now, please ANSWER my question:
If ALL Christians are led by the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture for themselves - WHY are there over 35,000 "denominations" ALL with different interpretations and doctrines?  Is it the intent of the Holy Spirit to confuse Christians?

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« Reply #57 on: November 18, 2011, 02:18:05 PM »
God gave us the Holy Spirit not the Catholic church to guide and teach us about God.

Just as  Paul learned from the Holy Spirit.
Okay, CS - tell me something:
If ALL Christians are led by the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture for themselves - WHY are there over 35,000 "denominations" ALL with different interpretations and doctrines?  Is it the intent of the Holy Spirit to confuse Christians?

Why is it that . . .
Some Protestant denominations believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do not.
Some believe in soul-sleep, while others do not.
Some believe in the total depravity of man, while others do not.
Some believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do not.
Some believe in doctrine of “once saved, always saved
I am a temple of God where no sin exists. 

No matter who tell one anything about God he or she needs to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

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« Reply #58 on: November 18, 2011, 03:21:14 PM »
The Church changed God’s Word when it comes to killing.

Again when it comes to usury.

Again when is comes to sin.

Again when it comes to calling another man father.

Again when it comes to possessions. 

Again when it comes to walking in the Spirit, personal relationship with Jesus.

HOW so? 
Be SPECIFIC.

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« Reply #59 on: November 18, 2011, 03:50:57 PM »
The Church changed God’s Word when it comes to killing.

Again when it comes to usury.

Again when is comes to sin.

Again when it comes to calling another man father.

Again when it comes to possessions. 

Again when it comes to walking in the Spirit, personal relationship with Jesus.

HOW so? 
Be SPECIFIC.
I will tell you why.  When the Church stopped being led by the Holy Spirit and started to listen to man’s teachings about God it’s understanding of the written Word of God took on what ever meaning people wanted.

The Church/Christian people, no longer let God teach him or her about God.  The reason they don’t is because people are no longer spiritual.  People are no longer spiritual because they no longer live the Word of God.

A person who sin is not a Christian.  Only Christians are spiritual.
I am a temple of God where no sin exists. 

No matter who tell one anything about God he or she needs to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.