I Love My Jewish Mother

[kensington]

it's good to have men of faith here,

BTW.. what do you think that makes the other men who post here daily?  You are bringing the priest, and the rest of them are WHAT?

Aren't they all, the saved brothers in the LORD, Kings, saints and priests? 

At what point is it that a catholic priest is a "man of faith" and the others are just "men"?

On behalf of all of my brothers in the LORD here ... I see through that. 

[kensington]

BTW... you may not like my attitude, and you may find it hostile. I believe it is justified.

Afterall, it is no secret that the OP of this topic and many others came here a short time ago... and the purpose was to indoctrinate, convert and to make catholics... not to just talk or discuss with other believers.  That is something that makes me hostile.  It was an attack from the beginning but not on catholics or the person, it was on the rest of us that we all need to be "different" believers.  Catholics.

Most people just ignore it, and move along... I just don't like it.   I'm flat tired of being told by Catholics that my faith is not good enough faith. And my salvation in Jesus Christ is not complete. And that I have to do more than be forgiven, washed in the blood of the LAMB for my sins. But, not so tired I'll shut up.

You know how the saying goes..."I'll do anything for LOVE, but I WON'T do that"     Nothing personal.

[kensington]

Oh my... I want to share an epiphany... To those who have ears...

I know that Mary is not part of the Godhead, or salvation, or a queen of heaven or any of the things that she is lifted up as in the Catholic church. She is but a servant, a sister in the LORD to the rest of us. ..

In the word, where God or Jesus is spoken of... and including the Holy Spirit... they always used "He" with the capitol "H".. 

But, not that I can find is there this used when Mary is referenced. I'm sure that the Apostles would not have missed this detail concerning a "Queen Mother" if there was one. Nor would the men in the body who duly translate from the Original to English. They just wouldn't have. Were she to be this person of honor in the earth and the heavens they preach she is... it would be clear in the Bible, in the simple written word.

Yes, I know... such a simple thing, but I am reminded of it nonetheless. 

[John 1:1]

The difference between you and I and a priest or nun, they have dedicated their entire lives to God on all levels to more extreem lengths then us as part of their life over to him in all they do, so yeah, I will give them more respect because they deserve it.  You should see what it takes to become a priest, it's not an easy task at all and most people would never be up to that task.  Michael, the other priest friend I know, him and I used to dialog on a very regular basis as he became one, I was enlightened greatly about the process and I have a new found respect for what they have to endure because of that.  This is stuff they don't detail out for all of us to know, like it's some prize or goal they accompolish, it's just the fact is, I know a little more along these areas specifically and personally that's all.

I'm still not liking the tone you take here, it's not like I"m telling you I am in disagreement with your denomination, that it too is also following a false doctrin because it has it's own rules and regulations, because every single one does without a single exception.  It's part of what makes them stand out as seperate denominations if anything else, and I personally enjoy the diversity of it all since it gives us choices.  So, you don't like one particular denomination because it doesn't rub well with you, go find another, don't put down the one you left because it didn't happen to agree with you personally.  I also think it's abhorent for anybody to put down any other denomination on any level for any reason, as long as it's following the true gospel, it is the same church, the same body IMSO "s for strong".  It also creates division to take this stance, it makes us look horrible in God's eyes fighting among each other over it, and it makes us look bad to the world of potential believers, and infact, helps to reinforce the enemies false stance by using the words and actions we do to each other, who are supposed to be believers, against us.

I will reinterate here, yet again, I was raised Catholic, I believe all denominations are part of the same church and I enjoy fellowship with all of them, so don't label me either direction, for I am both at this point.

[kensington]

you and I and a priest or nun, they have dedicated their entire lives to God on all levels to more extreem lengths then us as part of their life over to him in all they do,

BULL... malarky... fantasy...  My life 24/7 is for the LORD. I am consecrated unto the LORD. My home is as an altar to God. I teach the WORD in my goings in, and my goings out, my lying down and my raising up. It is ever on my mouth, and on my doorstops...  I pray without ceasing, for this is the will of God.

I knew this was coming... and it is false doctrine to be sure.  Every time I hear it, I just want to laugh.  Living freely off of the offerings of others wearing perfectly white robes that someone else laundered while you hold your hands up and swing an insense lamp makes you no more of a servant than me or anyone else.

And you know what... most nuns and priests committed as much sin as I did BEFORE they decided to put on robes... saved by grace is just that. Don't even try that on me. That is where the rubber meets the road. And most of them have had it easy compared to where I have walked in my faith. Give me a break. WHERE do you people come up with that?   

My husband who has served in the military has more dedication on a deeper level to the LORD than most of the nuns and priests I have met. And yes... I know more than a few, want I should introduce you? 

"I was enlightened greatly about the process and I have a new found respect for what they have to endure because of that."

Been there, done that, my husband was going to Seminary to be a priest when I met him.  I told you... Jesus is NO respecter of persons.  Acts 10:34

btw.. I'm not saying they do not love the LORD. But, when you set them above other servants of God... you are in error. Bottom line.

My cousins son is in and out of a coma from a car accident for more than a month now. You can't tell me they know more about sacrifice than she. Sorry.  My sil buried her husband at the age of 36 with 6 children at her side... you can't touch that. My son is deployed to the middle east right now, I'm not buying it.

[kensington]

Okay... I gotta stop playing with you kids now.   

I have to go anoint the boys, clean their robes, iron their sheets, pray for them all night long, prepare their word for tomorrow, trim their wicks, teach them to circumcize their hearts, fill their lamps... you get the idea. I am the Queen Mother around here. The "priest" of the home is stationed elsewhere for now, and it is up to me to be on the wall ever watchful for the enemy of their souls...

While everyone else is at mass. Good night. 

[Catholic Crusader]

BTW... you may not like my attitude, and you may find it hostile. I believe it is justified.

Afterall, it is no secret that the OP of this topic and many others came here a short time ago... and the purpose was to indoctrinate, convert and to make catholics... not to just talk or discuss with other believers.  That is something that makes me hostile.  It was an attack from the beginning but not on catholics or the person, it was on the rest of us that we all need to be "different" believers.  Catholics.

Most people just ignore it, and move along... I just don't like it.   I'm flat tired of being told by Catholics that my faith is not good enough faith. And my salvation in Jesus Christ is not complete. And that I have to do more than be forgiven, washed in the blood of the LAMB for my sins. But, not so tired I'll shut up.

You know how the saying goes..."I'll do anything for LOVE, but I WON'T do that"     Nothing personal.

I see you got busy after I had to leave my computer. Please do not ascribe motivations to me. You do not know me. I have two goals: To share my faith, and to dispell some of the horrible lies people tell about that faith. I am not here to convert. I am here to seek and offer understanding. It is good to debate in charity, but you can not debate if you first do not properly understand what the other person believe. And I have seen some of the most horrible, outlandish things said about the Church at this website.

As far as the OP goes, read it again. It is a simple statement of love and prayer. Yet it caused a firestorm of ant-Catholic slurs. Who is the one who is more Christian: The one who wishes to share and understand, or the one who maligns his/her brother?

[Catholic Crusader]

I will repeat what I said:
I love my Jewish mother, who my Lord and Savior gave to me:


John 19:26-27: When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.


I am the disciple Jesus loves - we all are. Do we take our mother into our home? I know my mother prays for me when I ask her to. Do you know she loves you and prays for you too?

[Catholic Crusader]

Okay... I gotta stop playing with you kids now.   

I have to go anoint the boys, clean their robes, iron their sheets, pray for them all night long, prepare their word for tomorrow, trim their wicks, teach them to circumcize their hearts, fill their lamps... you get the idea. I am the Queen Mother around here. The "priest" of the home is stationed elsewhere for now, and it is up to me to be on the wall ever watchful for the enemy of their souls...

While everyone else is at mass. Good night. 

So mocking us is what you learn from your Bible?

[kensington]

The one who wishes to share and understand, or the one who maligns his/her brother?

I'm sorry... Now which one are you again?  Because I could go back and cut and paste the many snips and snipes you have offered up to those who don't agree with you also.

[kensington]

Okay... I gotta stop playing with you kids now.   

I have to go anoint the boys, clean their robes, iron their sheets, pray for them all night long, prepare their word for tomorrow, trim their wicks, teach them to circumcize their hearts, fill their lamps... you get the idea. I am the Queen Mother around here. The "priest" of the home is stationed elsewhere for now, and it is up to me to be on the wall ever watchful for the enemy of their souls...

While everyone else is at mass. Good night. 

So mocking us is what you learn from your Bible?

I didn't say anything in this wee bit of fun that wasn't true. I do all of that, and more. And my Catholic family and his(my husbands) who could support me emotionally and help me while my husband is stationed somewhere else... are always telling me how wonderful the latest mass was for them. How spritual they are. And yet, none have offered to come pray with me, or to have us to dinner, or even to call and see if we need anything here.  But, my my my... they wouldn't miss a mass or a chance to mention they went. Or they are calling to see if I can do them a favor.

Yeah, I learned it from the Bible... From my LORD when he turned the tables... some things that the religious do, get my dander up.
 
Besides, I wasn't mocking... I was being creatively humorous. Try it.

[Catholic Crusader]

whatever

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

whatever

I believe there's a smiley for that somewhere.

[kensington]

 

I haven't see that one Whiley... but here are a few that come to mind...   

[John 1:1]

Okay... I gotta stop playing with you kids now.   

I have to go anoint the boys, clean their robes, iron their sheets, pray for them all night long, prepare their word for tomorrow, trim their wicks, teach them to circumcize their hearts, fill their lamps... you get the idea. I am the Queen Mother around here. The "priest" of the home is stationed elsewhere for now, and it is up to me to be on the wall ever watchful for the enemy of their souls...

While everyone else is at mass. Good night. 

So mocking us is what you learn from your Bible?

I didn't say anything in this wee bit of fun that wasn't true. I do all of that, and more. And my Catholic family and his(my husbands) who could support me emotionally and help me while my husband is stationed somewhere else... are always telling me how wonderful the latest mass was for them. How spritual they are. And yet, none have offered to come pray with me, or to have us to dinner, or even to call and see if we need anything here.  But, my my my... they wouldn't miss a mass or a chance to mention they went. Or they are calling to see if I can do them a favor.

Yeah, I learned it from the Bible... From my LORD when he turned the tables... some things that the religious do, get my dander up.
 
Besides, I wasn't mocking... I was being creatively humorous. Try it.

You can kid yourself all you want with the tone you are taking here.  Raymon did not, not invite you to mass, Raymond did not ignore you by not calling you, Raymond is facing persectution by you and he hasn't even joined this board.  He wanted me to set up his account for him, he's a very busy man obviously, I haven't done that, nor given him a confirmation, knowing full well, this is the reception he's going to get here and it's out right embarrassing, I'm ashamed to even have mentioned this place to him.  He's way too nice of a guy to have to face being mocked, and put down.  I can even take this exact same argument to a great deal of protestant denominations, for I used to go from church to church, dressed and acted in a very humble manner, clearly showing I have no wealth, and I too was not invited back, yet I kept going and I did eventually find one that did and I found a service format I enjoyed the most and it wasn't Catholic.

So, what am I supposed to do here, tell him that a person that I thought was my friend and allie hates him because he's a Catholic priest, that she has nothing but contempt for him because he is one, and she hates all Catholics because they are Catholic?  This is the message you are sending here and it is not appropriate on any level to any degree what so ever.

Ok, so, you hate Mary as well, this is clearly apparent.  What did Mary do to deserve this?  She faced humiliation by her friends and family due to the immaculate conception.  She watched her son as he was tortured and put to death on the cross.  She had to have done a great deal of praying for her son while he was persectuted and I gotta imagine, did alot of worrying about him all the time.  She must have had a very difficult time and a great deal of pressure on her shoulders, what a huge massive responsiblity, to be the mother of the messiah, can you imagine what it would be like? I also imagine she also faced persecution considering she gave birth and raised one that was clearly against the current man made powers that be, I suspect she faced tribulation due to that alone.  Yes, she gets major points in my book for taking care of my beloved Jesus, to raise him and to care for him in a way only a mother can do.  You see, there is a prayer that I gotta address here that should shed some insight into this situation for you.

Hail Mary, full of grace, the lord is with thee
Blessed art thou among women
Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, mother of God
Pray for us sinners, now and until the hour of our death.

Amen

You see, when God became flesh, he experienced the entire gambit of being  a human being on a human level.  This especially included having a mother and the relationship we all as mere men experience, of course he has a special place in his heart for her, she's his mother.  If there was an ommission on any level of any part, where his life was some how estranged from what we experience, the entire process would have been in vain, for it would not be entirely true, it would have been rubbish and only a token of what it means to truely bound by the flesh in this earthly plane.

I am rather floored with your comments Kensington, especially with your signature about wimpy Christians that you aren't even living by.  So your husbands friends and family go to mass and didn't invite you, wll, stop being a wimp and whining about it, go to mass on your own, and if you see them there, wave, just be prepared to feel out of place, the ceremony's and customs are something else, but it's just the flavor of that particular service, that's all.

Before you post again on this subject, step back and think, does it glorify God?  Are you only trying to cover your tracks with your earlier stance?  Do you recall me giving you the many manna points I have extended to you out of friendship, "most of them came from me girl!!!", do you remember when you were being attacked on these very boards and I stepped in to defend you?  Think about what you are doing before you continue this dialog, it's not inline with this boards creators intentions at all, Lee clearly wants us to get along and not be fighting one another, God has the same point of view here.

I'm not even going to address your earlier blasts outside of saying, I am shocked that you would post that at all in the first place. I come to this place not to debate, I come here for fellowship, I come here because it's supposed to be a safe haven, there are plenty of places I can go to if I want to debate, this isn't one of them in my book and I want to put an end to it without compromizing my beliefs, for they never will be adjusted and conformed to your's obviously.  If you have a problem with this thread topic, don't read it, don't comment on it, just move onto the ones you don't have a problem with and call it good, that's my best reccomendation if you cannot come to terms on this here.