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Re: Infallibility ?
« Reply #105 on: Thu Oct 15, 2015 - 11:46:12 »
not at all - you have made this up to suit your own imaginations - Nicodemus as a leader of Israel was a bit like you and other supposed religious leaders too heavenly minded but no earthly use and that is why he had to be born again as a Christian for the least Christian is greater than he or even John the Baptist - stop adding and subtracting and just simply simply believe[Jn.20:31] - wincam

Why would you so resist the truth. I made nothing up because Jesus is the one who taught this not I. It is more that you are more earthy minded to know God in the spirit

Look at John 4: When Jesus met the women at he well. She said I perceive you are a prophet: my Fathers worship on this mountain , but the Jews say Jerusalem is the only place to worship God.  Jesus said then to her women the time has come when on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will the true worshipers, worship the Father,  God is Spirit and those who truly worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
 The Lord called us to be spiritually minded not earthly minded.  To love God in the spirit from the temple of the heart will be manifest in the  life we live and love our neighbor.

I do not know how to make it any plainer to you.  The  carnally minded cannot please God. If God is spirit how can we then please or have relationship with carnal material things.

You wonder at the Vatican how great and beautiful it is, surly God is here.  The disciples thought that also when they said to Jesus see how beautiful the Jerusalem Temple is. Jesus said to them that not one stone will be left on this place. I tell you that in the same way the Vatican will be a ruins.

If then the church that Jesus established was not about  grand religious places where is our worship then to be established.  Paul said know ye not ye are the Temple and the spirit of God is in you.   
If I am taking all this from Scripture then How can you say I make these things up.


I see that you dare to presume that you have grasped what Jesus said was very difficult if not well nigh impossible for adults to grasp viz to simply simply believe and we are reminded at Jn.20:31 that all that is written is written to remind us to simply simply believe - wincam

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Re: Infallibility ?
« Reply #106 on: Thu Oct 15, 2015 - 12:23:10 »
not at all - you have made this up to suit your own imaginations - Nicodemus as a leader of Israel was a bit like you and other supposed religious leaders too heavenly minded but no earthly use and that is why he had to be born again as a Christian for the least Christian is greater than he or even John the Baptist - stop adding and subtracting and just simply simply believe[Jn.20:31] - wincam

Why would you so resist the truth. I made nothing up because Jesus is the one who taught this not I. It is more that you are more earthy minded to know God in the spirit

Look at John 4: When Jesus met the women at he well. She said I perceive you are a prophet: my Fathers worship on this mountain , but the Jews say Jerusalem is the only place to worship God.  Jesus said then to her women the time has come when on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will the true worshipers, worship the Father,  God is Spirit and those who truly worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
 The Lord called us to be spiritually minded not earthly minded.  To love God in the spirit from the temple of the heart will be manifest in the  life we live and love our neighbor.

I do not know how to make it any plainer to you.  The  carnally minded cannot please God. If God is spirit how can we then please or have relationship with carnal material things.

You wonder at the Vatican how great and beautiful it is, surly God is here.  The disciples thought that also when they said to Jesus see how beautiful the Jerusalem Temple is. Jesus said to them that not one stone will be left on this place. I tell you that in the same way the Vatican will be a ruins.

If then the church that Jesus established was not about  grand religious places where is our worship then to be established.  Paul said know ye not ye are the Temple and the spirit of God is in you.   
If I am taking all this from Scripture then How can you say I make these things up.


I see that you dare to presume that you have grasped what Jesus said was very difficult if not well nigh impossible for adults to grasp viz to simply simply believe and we are reminded at Jn.20:31 that all that is written is written to remind us to simply simply believe - wincam

I presume nothing.  I dare say that any on this board that are truly born again of the spirit understand  what I have just said. Once more Jesus stated " you must be born again of the Spirit or you cannot see the kingdom of God. The word see says two things here. first the kingdom cannot be seen by the natural eyes because you need spiritual understanding. The Carnal mind cannot persiieve the things of the spirit. 

Jesus said to the disciples John 14: 17
6 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I pray wincam that he Lord will give you His spirit that you see these things I have said. I have lied to you not.
 

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Re: Infallibility ?
« Reply #107 on: Fri Oct 16, 2015 - 03:40:32 »
not at all - you have made this up to suit your own imaginations - Nicodemus as a leader of Israel was a bit like you and other supposed religious leaders too heavenly minded but no earthly use and that is why he had to be born again as a Christian for the least Christian is greater than he or even John the Baptist - stop adding and subtracting and just simply simply believe[Jn.20:31] - wincam

Why would you so resist the truth. I made nothing up because Jesus is the one who taught this not I. It is more that you are more earthy minded to know God in the spirit

Look at John 4: When Jesus met the women at he well. She said I perceive you are a prophet: my Fathers worship on this mountain , but the Jews say Jerusalem is the only place to worship God.  Jesus said then to her women the time has come when on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will the true worshipers, worship the Father,  God is Spirit and those who truly worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
 The Lord called us to be spiritually minded not earthly minded.  To love God in the spirit from the temple of the heart will be manifest in the  life we live and love our neighbor.

I do not know how to make it any plainer to you.  The  carnally minded cannot please God. If God is spirit how can we then please or have relationship with carnal material things.

You wonder at the Vatican how great and beautiful it is, surly God is here.  The disciples thought that also when they said to Jesus see how beautiful the Jerusalem Temple is. Jesus said to them that not one stone will be left on this place. I tell you that in the same way the Vatican will be a ruins.

If then the church that Jesus established was not about  grand religious places where is our worship then to be established.  Paul said know ye not ye are the Temple and the spirit of God is in you.   
If I am taking all this from Scripture then How can you say I make these things up.


I see that you dare to presume that you have grasped what Jesus said was very difficult if not well nigh impossible for adults to grasp viz to simply simply believe and we are reminded at Jn.20:31 that all that is written is written to remind us to simply simply believe - wincam

I presume nothing.  I dare say that any on this board that are truly born again of the spirit understand  what I have just said. Once more Jesus stated " you must be born again of the Spirit or you cannot see the kingdom of God. The word see says two things here. first the kingdom cannot be seen by the natural eyes because you need spiritual understanding. The Carnal mind cannot persiieve the things of the spirit. 

Jesus said to the disciples John 14: 17
6 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I pray wincam that he Lord will give you His spirit that you see these things I have said. I have lied to you not.


imho you have it all mixed up and messed up and you are asking me to accept this mixed up, messed up, confusion - just as a simple proof you have stated above about the spirit of truth dwelling for ever when born again claimants back slide again and again and in vast numbers - this is blasphemy imho against the Holy SPIRIT and the best thing to do with this is to keep it to oneself and not spread it around as it seems to be very infectious and deadly - btw it seems you have not noticed you have just gone from Nicodemus to the woman at the well who also was not a Christian - btw a Christian is already and truly a temple of the Holy Spirit which it seems you do not seem to know or accept - wincam
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Re: Infallibility ?
« Reply #108 on: Fri Oct 16, 2015 - 04:43:57 »
not at all - you have made this up to suit your own imaginations - Nicodemus as a leader of Israel was a bit like you and other supposed religious leaders too heavenly minded but no earthly use and that is why he had to be born again as a Christian for the least Christian is greater than he or even John the Baptist - stop adding and subtracting and just simply simply believe[Jn.20:31] - wincam

Why would you so resist the truth. I made nothing up because Jesus is the one who taught this not I. It is more that you are more earthy minded to know God in the spirit

Look at John 4: When Jesus met the women at he well. She said I perceive you are a prophet: my Fathers worship on this mountain , but the Jews say Jerusalem is the only place to worship God.  Jesus said then to her women the time has come when on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will the true worshipers, worship the Father,  God is Spirit and those who truly worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
 The Lord called us to be spiritually minded not earthly minded.  To love God in the spirit from the temple of the heart will be manifest in the  life we live and love our neighbor.

I do not know how to make it any plainer to you.  The  carnally minded cannot please God. If God is spirit how can we then please or have relationship with carnal material things.

You wonder at the Vatican how great and beautiful it is, surly God is here.  The disciples thought that also when they said to Jesus see how beautiful the Jerusalem Temple is. Jesus said to them that not one stone will be left on this place. I tell you that in the same way the Vatican will be a ruins.

If then the church that Jesus established was not about  grand religious places where is our worship then to be established.  Paul said know ye not ye are the Temple and the spirit of God is in you.   
If I am taking all this from Scripture then How can you say I make these things up.


I see that you dare to presume that you have grasped what Jesus said was very difficult if not well nigh impossible for adults to grasp viz to simply simply believe and we are reminded at Jn.20:31 that all that is written is written to remind us to simply simply believe - wincam

I presume nothing.  I dare say that any on this board that are truly born again of the spirit understand  what I have just said. Once more Jesus stated " you must be born again of the Spirit or you cannot see the kingdom of God. The word see says two things here. first the kingdom cannot be seen by the natural eyes because you need spiritual understanding. The Carnal mind cannot persiieve the things of the spirit. 

Jesus said to the disciples John 14: 17
6 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I pray wincam that he Lord will give you His spirit that you see these things I have said. I have lied to you not.


imho you have it all mixed up and messed up and you are asking me to accept this mixed up, messed up, confusion - just as a simple proof you have stated above about the spirit of truth dwelling for ever when born again claimants back slide again and again and in vast numbers - this is blasphemy imho against the Holy SPIRIT and the best thing to do with this is to keep it to oneself and not spread it around as it seems to be very infectious and deadly - btw it seems you have not noticed you have just gone from Nicodemus to the woman at the well who also was not a Christian - btw a Christian is already and truly a temple of the Holy Spirit which it seems you do not seem to know or accept - wincam

Do you know what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.  I don't think you do. As for keeping the truth to myself, never! I pray the spirit of truth would be infectious not unto death but unto life everlasting. I prefer believers as apposed to the word Christian. Both Nicodemus and the women at the  well were not spirit filled believers because they had not yet come to true faith in Christ at the point Jesus spoke to them. But most of us would like to believe that they did come of faith after their encounter With Him.  Once  one is regenerated he can receive the Holy Spirit, but I tell you that not all who say Lord Lord are born of the spirit with the indwelling of the spirit.

As for the backsliders. A backslider is one who comes into faith yet once again gets entangled with this world to do things that he did before he came to Christ. I would say its not impossible for one to go back but the Holy Spirit does not give up on such a one.  Their are also those who never were truly regenerated but came to Christ by some mental assent.  Born of the spirit believers for the most part never fall away. The seed is planted in fertile soil but even then he may have weakness which the Lord allows for prides sake. Paul had his thorn. I have a bush out front of my house which is healthy with yellow blooms yet from time to time a small section just dies and the branches become brittle. This is a mystery but does that mean the bush is not healthy over all?  How about you what is your thorn? Would you say Paul was born of the spirit? I tell you the old man  must die daily praying always. It is Paul  that supports much of what I say.   

 Still praying for you wincam.
 
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Re: Infallibility ?
« Reply #109 on: Fri Oct 16, 2015 - 05:36:50 »
imho you have it all mixed up and messed up and you are asking me to accept this mixed up, messed up, confusion - just as a simple proof you have stated above about the spirit of truth dwelling for ever when born again claimants back slide again and again and in vast numbers - this is blasphemy imho against the Holy SPIRIT and the best thing to do with this is to keep it to oneself and not spread it around as it seems to be very infectious and deadly -
you don't think a Christian can backslide?  So you only know perfect Christians?

How about Peter?  how perfect was he?


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btw it seems you have not noticed you have just gone from Nicodemus to the woman at the well who also was not a Christian - btw a Christian is already and truly a temple of the Holy Spirit which it seems you do not seem to know or accept - wincam
the woman at the well was a Christian before she left that well...

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« Reply #110 on: Fri Oct 16, 2015 - 07:42:14 »
imho you have it all mixed up and messed up and you are asking me to accept this mixed up, messed up, confusion - just as a simple proof you have stated above about the spirit of truth dwelling for ever when born again claimants back slide again and again and in vast numbers - this is blasphemy imho against the Holy SPIRIT and the best thing to do with this is to keep it to oneself and not spread it around as it seems to be very infectious and deadly -
you don't think a Christian can backslide?  So you only know perfect Christians?

How about Peter?  how perfect was he?


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btw it seems you have not noticed you have just gone from Nicodemus to the woman at the well who also was not a Christian - btw a Christian is already and truly a temple of the Holy Spirit which it seems you do not seem to know or accept - wincam
the woman at the well was a Christian before she left that well...


what sort of nonsense is this - you are getting your believers and Christians mixed up - it is stated that the great Mahatma Gandhi was a believer and many others also including devils likewise some are Christians but not believers hence the need for the Creed - btw I repeat what Christ said that the least Christian is greater than even John the Baptist - so come home now - wincam

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« Reply #111 on: Fri Oct 16, 2015 - 08:28:57 »
not at all - you have made this up to suit your own imaginations - Nicodemus as a leader of Israel was a bit like you and other supposed religious leaders too heavenly minded but no earthly use and that is why he had to be born again as a Christian for the least Christian is greater than he or even John the Baptist - stop adding and subtracting and just simply simply believe[Jn.20:31] - wincam

Why would you so resist the truth. I made nothing up because Jesus is the one who taught this not I. It is more that you are more earthy minded to know God in the spirit

Look at John 4: When Jesus met the women at he well. She said I perceive you are a prophet: my Fathers worship on this mountain , but the Jews say Jerusalem is the only place to worship God.  Jesus said then to her women the time has come when on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will the true worshipers, worship the Father,  God is Spirit and those who truly worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
 The Lord called us to be spiritually minded not earthly minded.  To love God in the spirit from the temple of the heart will be manifest in the  life we live and love our neighbor.

I do not know how to make it any plainer to you.  The  carnally minded cannot please God. If God is spirit how can we then please or have relationship with carnal material things.

You wonder at the Vatican how great and beautiful it is, surly God is here.  The disciples thought that also when they said to Jesus see how beautiful the Jerusalem Temple is. Jesus said to them that not one stone will be left on this place. I tell you that in the same way the Vatican will be a ruins.

If then the church that Jesus established was not about  grand religious places where is our worship then to be established.  Paul said know ye not ye are the Temple and the spirit of God is in you.   
If I am taking all this from Scripture then How can you say I make these things up.


I see that you dare to presume that you have grasped what Jesus said was very difficult if not well nigh impossible for adults to grasp viz to simply simply believe and we are reminded at Jn.20:31 that all that is written is written to remind us to simply simply believe - wincam

I presume nothing.  I dare say that any on this board that are truly born again of the spirit understand  what I have just said. Once more Jesus stated " you must be born again of the Spirit or you cannot see the kingdom of God. The word see says two things here. first the kingdom cannot be seen by the natural eyes because you need spiritual understanding. The Carnal mind cannot persiieve the things of the spirit. 

Jesus said to the disciples John 14: 17
6 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I pray wincam that he Lord will give you His spirit that you see these things I have said. I have lied to you not.


imho you have it all mixed up and messed up and you are asking me to accept this mixed up, messed up, confusion - just as a simple proof you have stated above about the spirit of truth dwelling for ever when born again claimants back slide again and again and in vast numbers - this is blasphemy imho against the Holy SPIRIT and the best thing to do with this is to keep it to oneself and not spread it around as it seems to be very infectious and deadly - btw it seems you have not noticed you have just gone from Nicodemus to the woman at the well who also was not a Christian - btw a Christian is already and truly a temple of the Holy Spirit which it seems you do not seem to know or accept - wincam

Do you know what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.  I don't think you do. As for keeping the truth to myself, never! I pray the spirit of truth would be infectious not unto death but unto life everlasting. I prefer believers as apposed to the word Christian. Both Nicodemus and the women at the  well were not spirit filled believers because they had not yet come to true faith in Christ at the point Jesus spoke to them. But most of us would like to believe that they did come of faith after their encounter With Him.  Once  one is regenerated he can receive the Holy Spirit, but I tell you that not all who say Lord Lord are born of the spirit with the indwelling of the spirit.

As for the backsliders. A backslider is one who comes into faith yet once again gets entangled with this world to do things that he did before he came to Christ. I would say its not impossible for one to go back but the Holy Spirit does not give up on such a one.  Their are also those who never were truly regenerated but came to Christ by some mental assent.  Born of the spirit believers for the most part never fall away. The seed is planted in fertile soil but even then he may have weakness which the Lord allows for prides sake. Paul had his thorn. I have a bush out front of my house which is healthy with yellow blooms yet from time to time a small section just dies and the branches become brittle. This is a mystery but does that mean the bush is not healthy over all?  How about you what is your thorn? Would you say Paul was born of the spirit? I tell you the old man  must die daily praying always. It is Paul  that supports much of what I say.   

 Still praying for you wincam.


so to conclude we must not be born again but again and again and again - for like on the highway if one had an encounter with an enormous oil tanker one would be forever changed for all to see - for better or worse - wincam

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Re: Infallibility ?
« Reply #112 on: Fri Oct 16, 2015 - 10:13:42 »
Wincam
Just so you know from here out backsliding is not the unpardonable sin which Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. You preach condemnation without understanding.  Certain Jews  accused Jesus of doing miracles by the power of satan. Jesus said many things are forgiven but the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is to Call the Holy Spirit evil will never be forgiven ever.  Would you count any brother In Christ to receive such a charge. You believe you are well versed but in all I have read so far you are not.

Still I pray the Lord to open the eyes of your heart
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« Reply #113 on: Fri Oct 16, 2015 - 11:32:12 »
Wincam, are you serious? Do you really believe others are infallible? What bible are you reading?

God's Word:

Rom 3:23  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24  Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:


1Jn 1:7  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10  If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


All sin, none are perfect.. difference is that Christians try their best to follow Christ and when they do mess up, they repent..as opposed to those who don't believe in Christ and don't care if they are sinning


Isa 64:6  But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.



Jesus is the ONLY one without sin
Heb 4:15  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

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« Reply #114 on: Fri Oct 16, 2015 - 13:09:56 »
Wincam, are you serious? Do you really believe others are infallible? What bible are you reading?

God's Word:

Rom 3:23  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24  Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:


1Jn 1:7  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10  If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


All sin, none are perfect.. difference is that Christians try their best to follow Christ and when they do mess up, they repent..as opposed to those who don't believe in Christ and don't care if they are sinning


Isa 64:6  But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.



Jesus is the ONLY one without sin
Heb 4:15  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.


again and again - all mixed up .mucked up and messed up since infallibility has nothing to do with sin - wincam

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« Reply #115 on: Fri Oct 16, 2015 - 13:43:21 »
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Just so you know from here out backsliding is not the unpardonable sin which Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. You preach condemnation without understanding.  Certain Jews  accused Jesus of doing miracles by the power of satan. Jesus said many things are forgiven but the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is to Call the Holy Spirit evil will never be forgiven ever.  Would you count any brother In Christ to receive such a charge. You believe you are well versed but in all I have read so far you are not.

Still I pray the Lord to open the eyes of your heart

don't just take my word for it but via google see [strange fire conference ] by an illustrious and venerable protestant John MacArthur - just see exactly who has got it base over apex and exactly who are blaspheming against the Holy Spirit and exactly what is really meant and come home now - wincam

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Re: Infallibility ?
« Reply #116 on: Fri Oct 16, 2015 - 14:07:09 »
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Just so you know from here out backsliding is not the unpardonable sin which Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. You preach condemnation without understanding.  Certain Jews  accused Jesus of doing miracles by the power of satan. Jesus said many things are forgiven but the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is to Call the Holy Spirit evil will never be forgiven ever.  Would you count any brother In Christ to receive such a charge. You believe you are well versed but in all I have read so far you are not.

Still I pray the Lord to open the eyes of your heart

don't just take my word for it but via google see [strange fire conference ] by an illustrious and venerable protestant John MacArthur - just see exactly who has got it base over apex and exactly who are blaspheming against the Holy Spirit and exactly what is really meant and come home now - wincam

what does God say about where our home is wincam?
John 14 v 1-4
14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
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« Reply #117 on: Fri Oct 16, 2015 - 15:26:48 »
Wincam
Just so you know from here out backsliding is not the unpardonable sin which Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. You preach condemnation without understanding.  Certain Jews  accused Jesus of doing miracles by the power of satan. Jesus said many things are forgiven but the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is to Call the Holy Spirit evil will never be forgiven ever.  Would you count any brother In Christ to receive such a charge. You believe you are well versed but in all I have read so far you are not.

Still I pray the Lord to open the eyes of your heart

don't just take my word for it but via google see [strange fire conference ] by an illustrious and venerable protestant John MacArthur - just see exactly who has got it base over apex and exactly who are blaspheming against the Holy Spirit and exactly what is really meant and come home now - wincam

what does God say about where our home is wincam?
John 14 v 1-4
14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

again I advise via google see [strange fire conference 2015] by John  MacArthur - wincam

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Re: Infallibility ?
« Reply #118 on: Fri Oct 16, 2015 - 21:57:15 »
Wincam
Just so you know from here out backsliding is not the unpardonable sin which Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. You preach condemnation without understanding.  Certain Jews  accused Jesus of doing miracles by the power of satan. Jesus said many things are forgiven but the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is to Call the Holy Spirit evil will never be forgiven ever.  Would you count any brother In Christ to receive such a charge. You believe you are well versed but in all I have read so far you are not.

Still I pray the Lord to open the eyes of your heart

don't just take my word for it but via google see [strange fire conference ] by an illustrious and venerable protestant John MacArthur - just see exactly who has got it base over apex and exactly who are blaspheming against the Holy Spirit and exactly what is really meant and come home now - wincam

I listened to much of Mr Macarthur's sermon against the Charismatic movement.  What does that  have to with anything I said to you.  My faith and salvation rests solely in Christ not on any movement nor is it by any religious order or denomination. My relationship is personal. Also as He stated the movement does not determine ones sincere need for Christ which is in spirit and truth.  I was in it at one time but as bro Macarthur said much of it is emotionalism along with many who take advantage. I agree most all of what he said.  How ever it is God alone who is our judge and there is much strange fire in Christianity even in your catholic church. How ever I cannot judge all Catholics or protestant for what is strange fire in your mist. None of that will save us. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is just what I said it is. As for the rest God can only judge.

what about you wincam.? What is your salvation centered in. If you think it is your good church standing you may be offering strange fire yourself.

Imagine if you will that you stand in a circle just big enough for you and one other person. If that other person is anyone else but Jesus you are trying to offer strange fire. If you are trying to bring anything else other than Christ alone you are offering strange fire. You might try to carry a back pack full of all good deeds that you did in His name you offer strange fire. To that he will say depart from me you worker of iniquity .  Jesus said my sheep know me and a stranger they will not follow, and he calls his sheep by name.

 Just imagine now on that day he will call for you and if you come to him carrying anything else like your affiliation  to your church standing you are trying to offer strange fire. Our walk with Christ must be personal so Jesus commandments and love for Him is writin on the tables of you heart. You will not half to boast about anything for no proud man will enter the kingdom.

Praying for You    Would you pray me ?
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Re: Infallibility ?
« Reply #119 on: Sat Oct 17, 2015 - 05:47:00 »
Wincam
Just so you know from here out backsliding is not the unpardonable sin which Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. You preach condemnation without understanding.  Certain Jews  accused Jesus of doing miracles by the power of satan. Jesus said many things are forgiven but the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is to Call the Holy Spirit evil will never be forgiven ever.  Would you count any brother In Christ to receive such a charge. You believe you are well versed but in all I have read so far you are not.

Still I pray the Lord to open the eyes of your heart

don't just take my word for it but via google see [strange fire conference ] by an illustrious and venerable protestant John MacArthur - just see exactly who has got it base over apex and exactly who are blaspheming against the Holy Spirit and exactly what is really meant and come home now - wincam

I listened to much of Mr Macarthur's sermon against the Charismatic movement.  What does that  have to with anything I said to you.  My faith and salvation rests solely in Christ not on any movement nor is it by any religious order or denomination. My relationship is personal. Also as He stated the movement does not determine ones sincere need for Christ which is in spirit and truth.  I was in it at one time but as bro Macarthur said much of it is emotionalism along with many who take advantage. I agree most all of what he said.  How ever it is God alone who is our judge and there is much strange fire in Christianity even in your catholic church. How ever I cannot judge all Catholics or protestant for what is strange fire in your mist. None of that will save us. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is just what I said it is. As for the rest God can only judge.

what about you wincam.? What is your salvation centered in. If you think it is your good church standing you may be offering strange fire yourself.

if you must know I WAS A RAVING catholic CHARISMATIC but like you even with the much subdued Catholic version was uneasy with it - what you must now do after all  have commented on it see John  MacArthur's reply at the [Strange fire conference/2015] - wincam

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Re: Infallibility ?
« Reply #120 on: Fri Oct 30, 2015 - 06:42:08 »
RCC position on the Popes infallibility, this term means incapability of teaching what is false in faith and morals.

It does not mean at all what most people think it means.

I don't have the time to go into it all now.

But what I was taught what it means as a protestant is in fact just a foolish cunning lie and in fact it's nothing to do with such a position at all.