I agree, they weren't. When you think about it... The Apostle's were Blood bought, Born Again, Spirit Filled, tongue talking Pentecostal Charismatic Christians.
A far cry from what Catholics claim to be.
yes - they were born again as Christians for the least Christian is greater than any non Christian and even the least Christian does not need to be born again as a Christian - wincam
No a Christian does not need to a born again as a Christian. The admonition is you must be born again of the spirit. That the hang up for many. The carnally minded have a real hard time with it.
imho it seems to me that to be a Christian one must be born of water and the spirit - wincam
† There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born againa, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water - and of - the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born againb.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9
Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
The born of water is metioned only once and states -and of- water signifying two different things. It is clear that being born of water does not signify one is born of the spirit as one event took place for both. Jesus went on to say that being Born of the spirit is to join into the unseen kingdom of God. That which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit is spirit. All that is carnal fleshly is enmity against God.
A spiritual relationship is not an option hence one must be born again. Water baptism which is separate is signifying being cleansed of our sin and states a new confession of faith.