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Re: Is Mary as the "Queen of Heaven" Biblical?
« Reply #60 on: March 14, 2008, 06:38:03 PM »
Of course not!

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« Reply #61 on: March 14, 2008, 06:56:26 PM »
...I knew all along they lived as abominations before the LORD.

Well, I guess we are all fortunate to have someone in this forum knew the popes personally. I mean, I figure you must have, since you know how they live.

And I guess ol' Billy Graham was just a big dummy when he said that Pope John Paul II was the most influential voice for morality and peace in the world in the last 100 years.

In fact, according to cbn.com:

Dr. Graham told Larry King he had the privilege of seeing the Pope on several occasions at the Vatican.

"And tonight, I have a very strange feeling of loss. I almost feel as though one of my family members has gone. I loved him very much and had the opportunity of discussing so many things with him. And we wrote each other several times during the years," Dr. Graham said.

Larry King asked Dr. Graham: "Did he actually say to you once, "We are brothers' "?

GRAHAM: That's correct. He certainly did. He held my hand the first time that I met him about 1981 -- he'd just been Pope for two years when I saw him first. Because when he was elevated to the papacy, I was preaching in his cathedral in Krakow that very day. And we had thousands of people in the streets. And watching the television today of Krakow has brought back many memories.

KING: You said that he was an Evangelist.

GRAHAM: He was, indeed. He traveled throughout the world to bring his Christian message to the world. And we see tonight the outpouring from the world that he touched. And I think he touched almost everybody in the whole world.




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Re: Is Mary as the "Queen of Heaven" Biblical?
« Reply #62 on: March 14, 2008, 08:35:21 PM »
Could you point me to the passage in scripture that implies that Billy Graham is "The Christ"...

Sure the Pope has influence on the people in the area of morals and all things pertaining to the Catholic Church... its a sad but true thing.

That does not mean that more than a few of them ever were men of high moral standards themselves. Nor can that be proven by the history of the church...  Sadly ... again.

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Re: Is Mary as the "Queen of Heaven" Biblical?
« Reply #63 on: March 14, 2008, 08:37:22 PM »
BTW... I liked Pope John Paul...  I just know by the word of GOD that He was wrong in the area of Mary.

And I don't see Billy Graham saying he was right either. 

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« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2008, 08:42:08 PM »
Could you point me to the passage in scripture that implies that Billy Graham is "The Christ"...

He ain't the Christ, but at least he was kind enough to speak kind words about a fellow Christian, and that makes him Christ-like..

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« Reply #65 on: March 14, 2008, 08:44:47 PM »
BTW... I liked Pope John Paul...  I just know by the word of GOD that He was wrong in the area of Mary.

And I don't see Billy Graham saying he was right either. 
I respect your opinion. See that wasn't so hard, was it. You say what you believe, I say what I believe, we understand a little better, build a bridge, and be friends. That is hard to do when words like "antichrist" and "idolator" are flying around the forum.

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Re: Is Mary as the "Queen of Heaven" Biblical?
« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2008, 08:46:25 PM »
Could you point me to the passage in scripture that implies that Billy Graham is "The Christ"...

He ain't the Christ, but at least he was kind enough to speak kind words about a fellow Christian, and that makes him Christ-like...   ..perhaps a little more Christ-like so than you, who can only speak ill of your brothers.


Getting personal so quickly again? Why?  What in my post did I imply was personal against you?

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Re: Is Mary as the "Queen of Heaven" Biblical?
« Reply #67 on: March 15, 2008, 12:03:30 AM »
Check the pattern.

The idea of a Jewish queen acting in a position of influence or authority is foreign to the Bible.  Hence the reason Judaism is considered a patriarchal religion.

(and the history teacher winces at this statement  ::whistle::)

Now Wycliffes, I am shocked.  You don't strike me as the naive type.  Never underestimate the power and influence of a woman...that is one thing history has certainly taught us.  What is the saying...."I wear the pants in my family...she just tells me which ones to put on..."
Just looking with my eyes open, friend.  It isn't always pretty, but there's no point in denying that the Jews of the Bible were an entirely male-dominated society.

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« Reply #68 on: March 15, 2008, 07:21:57 AM »
Check the pattern.

The idea of a Jewish queen acting in a position of influence or authority is foreign to the Bible.  Hence the reason Judaism is considered a patriarchal religion.

(and the history teacher winces at this statement  ::whistle::)

Now Wycliffes, I am shocked.  You don't strike me as the naive type.  Never underestimate the power and influence of a woman...that is one thing history has certainly taught us.  What is the saying...."I wear the pants in my family...she just tells me which ones to put on..."
Just looking with my eyes open, friend.  It isn't always pretty, but there's no point in denying that the Jews of the Bible were an entirely male-dominated society.
Well, the role of queen mother was never authoratative. I never said it was. But she did act as intercessor often, going to the king on behalf of others. And more importantly, the role did exist, regardless of what ever authority or lack thereof went with it.

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Re: Is Mary as the "Queen of Heaven" Biblical?
« Reply #69 on: March 15, 2008, 08:41:14 AM »
Mary is not the queen of heaven or any queen at all.  She is the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Mary is not in heaven because she is dead and will be in the resurrection of the just when Christ returns to earth.  My God, this is all written in the Word of God and I can't believe there is even a discussion of Mary as to whether or not she is the so-called "queen of heaven"!?? 

It is man's doctrines - it cannot be found anywhere in The Word of God; that is, the  rightly-divided Word of Truth.

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« Reply #70 on: March 15, 2008, 09:58:33 AM »
Mary is not the queen of heaven or any queen at all.  She is the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Mary is not in heaven because she is dead and will be in the resurrection of the just when Christ returns to earth.  My God, this is all written in the Word of God and I can't believe there is even a discussion of Mary as to whether or not she is the so-called "queen of heaven"!?? 

It is man's doctrines - it cannot be found anywhere in The Word of God; that is, the  rightly-divided Word of Truth.



I believe you have "wrongly" divided the Word of God. I invite you to read this earlier post:
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php?topic=24888.msg475161#msg475161

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Re: Is Mary as the "Queen of Heaven" Biblical?
« Reply #71 on: March 15, 2008, 10:05:15 AM »
Mary is not the queen of heaven or any queen at all.  She is the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Mary is not in heaven because she is dead and will be in the resurrection of the just when Christ returns to earth.  My God, this is all written in the Word of God and I can't believe there is even a discussion of Mary as to whether or not she is the so-called "queen of heaven"!?? 

It is man's doctrines - it cannot be found anywhere in The Word of God; that is, the  rightly-divided Word of Truth.


I agree with you Alethes, and I believe many others here do too. If something is not found in the Scriptures, you should not labor to explain it with the Scriptures. Despite people who will claim typology or historical evidences, or other things they esteem as valuable as Scripture. The fact remains that these doctrines are not found in the New Testament or anywhere else in Scripture.

We should remember that the words of men are not as valuable as the Word of God.

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Re: Is Mary as the "Queen of Heaven" Biblical?
« Reply #72 on: March 15, 2008, 10:27:51 AM »
Mary is not the queen of heaven or any queen at all.  She is the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Mary is not in heaven because she is dead and will be in the resurrection of the just when Christ returns to earth.  My God, this is all written in the Word of God and I can't believe there is even a discussion of Mary as to whether or not she is the so-called "queen of heaven"!?? 

It is man's doctrines - it cannot be found anywhere in The Word of God; that is, the  rightly-divided Word of Truth.



I believe you have "wrongly" divided the Word of God. I invite you to read this earlier post:
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php?topic=24888.msg475161#msg475161



I have read it and that is what I'm responding to and saying it is totally inaccurate - it is not the Word of God.  There is no Mary, queen of heaven.  There is no Mary in heaven because she is dead and will remain dead until Christ returns to earth and the resurrection of the just occurs.  God invite you to read and study His Word on the resurrections of the just and unjust, and on the gathering together of born-again Christians (the Church of the Body of Christ) before the events recorded in Revelation occur.   It's all there in the Bible, in black and white; but, Mary, the supposed queen of heaven, is not found anywhere in the Bible.

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« Reply #73 on: March 15, 2008, 11:11:45 AM »
Mary is not the queen of heaven or any queen at all.  She is the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Mary is not in heaven because she is dead and will be in the resurrection of the just when Christ returns to earth.  My God, this is all written in the Word of God and I can't believe there is even a discussion of Mary as to whether or not she is the so-called "queen of heaven"!?? 

It is man's doctrines - it cannot be found anywhere in The Word of God; that is, the  rightly-divided Word of Truth.



I believe you have "wrongly" divided the Word of God. I invite you to read this earlier post:
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php?topic=24888.msg475161#msg475161



I have read it and that is what I'm responding to and saying it is totally inaccurate - it is not the Word of God.  There is no Mary, queen of heaven.  There is no Mary in heaven because she is dead and will remain dead until Christ returns to earth and the resurrection of the just occurs.  God invite you to read and study His Word on the resurrections of the just and unjust, and on the gathering together of born-again Christians (the Church of the Body of Christ) before the events recorded in Revelation occur.   It's all there in the Bible, in black and white; but, Mary, the supposed queen of heaven, is not found anywhere in the Bible.


Are you saying no one is in heaven now? If you are, I doubt that most of your own fellow protestants would agree with that.

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« Reply #74 on: March 15, 2008, 11:48:35 AM »
In the monarchy of King David, as well as in other ancient kingdoms of the Near East, the mother of the ruling king held an important office in the royal court and played a key part in the process of dynastic succession. In fact, the king’s mother ruled as queen, not his wife.

Well, we might remember that it was because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai that God turned the nation over to worship the Starry Host (Acts 7, etc., etc.).  When the elders finally "fired God" and demanded a human king God knew that it was so that they could WORSHIP like the Goyim or Gentiles.

And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. 1 Samuel 8:5

But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. 1 Samuel 8:6

You say, "We want to be like the nations, like the peoples of the world, who serve wood and stone." But what you have in mind will never happen. Eze.20:32


God finally abandoned them to a Monarchy and whatever they called him, God says that He abandoned them to the Starry Hosts: this was the same Dionysus (aka new wineskins) worship of Egypt and other "national" systems.  Even the term Levites and historian knew that the "god of the Jews" was Dionysus and that is why they piped, hoping that Jesus would lament and dance the  new wineskin's initiation: He didn't, they murdered Him.

Here Symmachus, greatly wondering at what was spoken, says: What, Lamprias, will you permit our tutelar god,  called Evius, the inciter of women, famous for the honors he has conferred upon him by madmen, to be inscribed and enrolled in the mysteries of the Jews?

What they do within I know not; but it is very probable that they perform the rites of Bacchus. First they have little trumpets, such as the Grecians used to have at their Bacchanalia to call upon their gods withal. Others go before them playing upon harps, which they call Levites, whether so named from Lusius or Evius,--either word agrees with Bacchus


That is why all of the proof-texts used by Payne, Burgess, Knowles, Johnson, Dunning, Downen, Faust, etc. are from these same "pluckers" of harps doing bad deeds.

Amos 6:1 Woe to them that are at ease in Zion, and trust in the mountain of Samaria, which are named chief of the nations, to whom the house of Israel came!

AN EXAMPLE OF A KING'S MOTHER

2Kings 11:1 And when Athaliah the mother of Ahaziah saw that her son was dead, she arose and destroyed all the seed royal.
2Kings 11:2 But Jehosheba, the daughter of king Joram, sister of Ahaziah,
        took Joash the son of Ahaziah, and stole him from among the king’s sons which were slain;
        and they hid him, even him and his nurse, in the bedchamber from Athaliah,
        so that he was not slain.
2Kings 11:3 And he was with her hid in the house of the LORD six years.
        And Athaliah did reign over the land.


However, Jehoiada, had a plab proving that the TRUMPETS are always a sound of judgment.

2Kings 11:13 And when Athaliah heard the noise of the guard and of the people, she came to the people into the temple of the LORD.
2Kings 11:14 And when she looked, behold, the king stood by a pillar, as the manner was, and the princes and the trumpeters by the king, and all the people of the land rejoiced, and blew with trumpets: and Athaliah rent her clothes, and cried, Treason, Treason.
2Kings 11:20 And all the people of the land rejoiced, and the city was in quiet: and they slew Athaliah with the sword beside the king’s house.


In the Bible and lots of contemporaneous literature, the Mother of the Gods (Lucifer, Zoe) is "a singing and harp playing prostitute" in the Garden of Eden and uses "rhetoricians, singers and instrument players" as SORCERERS in Revelation 17-18