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Re: Jesus and the Apostles built a unified, hierarchical Church
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2010, 09:26:31 AM »
For those who believe the RCC is the Church, "the occupant of the See of Rome the successor of Peter in the supreme pastorate," no further proof is needed.

For those who do not believe the RCC is the Church, "the occupant of the See of Rome the successor of Peter in the supreme pastorate," no further un-Scriptural proof can be given.






Why do you think hundreds of protestant pastors haver converting to Catholicism in the last 15 years?

I have two answers:


1) An outpouring of the Holy Spirit

AND

2) The internet, which provides easily accessible information about the early Church

The blind leading the blind.


Obtaining new information does not make one blind.

I once was an anti Catholic protestant, but by the grace of additional information, I am now Catholic.

You may be some day soon as well!

If it is God's will would you resist it?

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Re: Jesus and the Apostles built a unified, hierarchical Church
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2010, 02:27:21 PM »
For those who believe the RCC is the Church, "the occupant of the See of Rome the successor of Peter in the supreme pastorate," no further proof is needed.

For those who do not believe the RCC is the Church, "the occupant of the See of Rome the successor of Peter in the supreme pastorate," no further un-Scriptural proof can be given.






Why do you think hundreds of protestant pastors haver converting to Catholicism in the last 15 years?

I have two answers:


1) An outpouring of the Holy Spirit

AND

2) The internet, which provides easily accessible information about the early Church

The blind leading the blind.


Obtaining new information does not make one blind.

I once was an anti Catholic protestant, but by the grace of additional information, I am now Catholic.

You may be some day soon as well!

If it is God's will would you resist it?


Of course they will. People don't care about God's Will anymore no more than they care about God's greatest commandment which is to love one another.

People care about their own comfort and protecting that by having to be able to explain everything reasonably. If God descended from heaven with an escort of angels and clearly stated that EO, RCC, and Coptic together make up the One, Holy, Apostolic Catholic Church and confirms everything you say about them, they would spit in His face and shout that He is obviously satan trying to protect his antichrist.

The same people who hate the catholic church hate homosexuals and others that have questionable lifestyles. They believe they have the right to share in God's intolerance.  They hate and oppose and reject and say that it all comes from knowing the Truth of God.

Of course they would resist. They don't care about God they care these teachings and men that have just surfaced in the later half of christian history.

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Re: Jesus and the Apostles built a unified, hierarchical Church
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Re: Jesus and the Apostles built a unified, hierarchical Church
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2010, 10:23:51 AM »
For those who believe the RCC is the Church, "the occupant of the See of Rome the successor of Peter in the supreme pastorate," no further proof is needed.

For those who do not believe the RCC is the Church, "the occupant of the See of Rome the successor of Peter in the supreme pastorate," no further un-Scriptural proof can be given.
 

Why do you think hundreds of protestant pastors have converted to Catholicism in the last 15 years?

I have two answers:

1) An outpouring of the Holy Spirit

AND

2) The internet, which provides easily accessible information about the early Church
 

The blind leading the blind.

Obtaining new information does not make one blind.

I once was an anti Catholic protestant, but by the grace of additional information, I am now Catholic.

You may be some day soon as well!

If it is God's will would you resist it?
 

I'm reminded of the pastor who sat next to a man on a long flight across the country.  The pastor introduced himself as a pastor, and the man responded by saying he was an atheist who didn't believe in God.  The pastor then said, "Tell me about this God you say you don't believe in.  Maybe I don't believe in Him either."

Tell us about this Protestant Church that many Catholics say they don't believe in?  Maybe I don't believe in it either!

At least Vatican II officially recognized that Protestantism contains elements of truth, and that we are just separated brethren instead of heretics.

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Re: Jesus and the Apostles built a unified, hierarchical Church
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2010, 02:24:50 PM »
For those who believe the RCC is the Church, "the occupant of the See of Rome the successor of Peter in the supreme pastorate," no further proof is needed.

For those who do not believe the RCC is the Church, "the occupant of the See of Rome the successor of Peter in the supreme pastorate," no further un-Scriptural proof can be given.






Why do you think hundreds of protestant pastors haver converting to Catholicism in the last 15 years?

I have two answers:


1) An outpouring of the Holy Spirit

AND

2) The internet, which provides easily accessible information about the early Church

I may also say that many Catholics have converted to Protestantism as well.

One reason why this happens is that many are seeking truth. They often will jump from  church to church. The problem is you will not likely find the true church if you are looking to the institutional church system or some affiliation or historical facts Truth is not always in historical evidences or tradition. for the church is based on faith in Christ and the Holy spirit and not men or institutions. The church is a relation and not affiliation. True we need the fellowship of other believers and teachers.  but you will not really find truth until you seek Christ with all your heart. As it says"trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not lean on your own understand but in all thy ways acknowledge Him and he shall direct thy path."  When you put Christ at the very center of all you are and do then you will find truth.

It is true that Satan has masterfully injected confusion into this thing we call Christianity so we often will look at the wrong things while looking for truth. Protestant catholic really has little to with finding the truth for truth is revealed truth and that truth is in the person of Jesus Christ  There are no pet denominations in Gods kingdom but only those who walk in the Spirit.

Jumping from one church or denomination to another is not an  outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

There was a mighty outpouring of the Holy spirit on the day of Pentecost that caused thousands to receive Christ. this can still and does happen today. People who are transformed by the Holy Spirits power. This is not something you join but something you experience. It is a revaltion of the truth that Jesus is the Lord of Lords and the king of kings. The  only way of salvation. A witness so strong that many were willing to die for that truth.

I can only liken it to " I once was lost but now I'm found. I was once blind but now I see." No affiliation will ever make these words come alive in you but the Holy Spirit, the same Holy spirit that moved in Peter at Pentecost  when He stood up And said.
This is that which was prophesied bu the Prophet Joel
 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 . Acts 2:17-21

God bless His Holy Name

 

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Re: Jesus and the Apostles built a unified, hierarchical Church
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2010, 02:24:50 PM »