Just how far are you prepared to go to defend the papacy?

[ex cathedra]

Would you defend the pope  rather than Jesus Christ who  set his godly crown aside and came down to live perfectly in your stead and shed his blood winning you forgivness and life with him for ever in heaven ?

if i was asked that about Luther or my mom or dad or children .


I hope and pray i would choose Jesus who saved you and me . over any one . How about you?

[desertknight]

As a Catholic, I would choose to to act as the knight I am, and defend my King and Lord, Jesus Christ.  As a Catholic knight, my Lord expects me to defend His Vicar on earth, the pastor of His Church, His Holiness, our chief Bishop.

[mclees8]

As a Catholic, I would choose to to act as the knight I am, and defend my King and Lord, Jesus Christ.  As a Catholic knight, my Lord expects me to defend His Vicar on earth, the pastor of His Church, His Holiness, our chief Bishop.

Night do . What did Jesus mean when he told his disciple it is expedient that i go away, for if I do not go away the comeforter will not come.

[desertknight]

Night do . What did Jesus mean when he told his disciple it is expedient that i go away, for if I do not go away the comeforter will not come.

I don't know what "night do" means, and I'm not sure what your question has to do with my quote, but the reference you are making has to do with Our Lord fulfilling His purpose by ascending into heaven and sending the Holy Spirit to dwell within the Church until the final judgment.  What does this have to do with my statement?

[broach972]

As a Catholic, I would choose to to act as the knight I am, and defend my King and Lord, Jesus Christ.  As a Catholic knight, my Lord expects me to defend His Vicar on earth, the pastor of His Church, His Holiness, our chief Bishop.

Manna for you...well said.

[mclees8]

Night do . What did Jesus mean when he told his disciple it is expedient that i go away, for if I do not go away the comeforter will not come.

I don't know what "night do" means, and I'm not sure what your question has to do with my quote, but the reference you are making has to do with Our Lord fulfilling His purpose by ascending into heaven and sending the Holy Spirit to dwell within the Church until the final judgment.  What does this have to do with my statement?
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Please excuse the *night do" I make many typing mistakes' guess I just get in a hurry

 reference you are making has to do with Our Lord fulfilling His purpose by ascending into heaven and sending the Holy Spirit to dwell within the Church until the final judgment.

This is true 
What purpose was that. why did he have to go away and Send the Holy spirit instead of being what they all wanted which was to be a political messiah. Of course it was obvious that he go to the cross for our sins. But his assentian to back and sit in hs spiritual throne and kindom and the sending of the Holy spirit was was very important. Expedient he said. why could have not set up his rulership on the earth?
mike123
   

[desertknight]

Because His Kingdom, and ours, is not ultimately of this earth, but I'm still not sure what that has to do with the question in the opening post?  God's kingdom is not of this earth, but He does not expect us to just sit around and wait for Him either, if He did, the commandment to love would make no sense.  We are tasked to be stewards of our planet and each other, very specifically by Holy Scripture.  We are tasked to govern ourselves with justice and respect for our creator and each other, very specifically by Holy Scripture.  We are given life to actually live in this world, and all that entails, and we are given sovereignty by God to do so.  That means getting our hands dirty with things like "politics", or war, God forbid, or dealing with economics, or the plight of refugees, or preventing disease or famine if we can.  Being Christian does not nullify our obligation to govern ourselves, it doesn't not nullify our responsibility toward each other;  it requires it.

[Tantor]

Last I remember... the Jesus only gave one charge to his church.  "Go into all the world and preach the Gospel and make disciples"... I do not understand why your view of the church didn't even mention the great commission.

Everything you mention is incidental to our mission on this earth... something that will fall in place naturally if we are doing our job.

Seems like you are placing the cart before the horse... you want all the benefits without doing the dirty work.

[desertknight]

Last I remember... the Jesus only gave one charge to his church.  "Go into all the world and preach the Gospel and make disciples"... I do not understand why your view of the church didn't even mention the great commission.

I assume you are directing your post to me.  The reason I did not mention it was due to the fact that I was answering Mike's question specifically.  He has posed it to me on other threads.  As to your first assertion, that is not the only charge that Our Lord gave to all of His disciples, whom are the Church.

Everything you mention is incidental to our mission on this earth... something that will fall in place naturally if we are doing our job.

I think taking our obligations to be sovereign stewards over ourselves requires a bit more than just "letting things to fall into place."

Seems like you are placing the cart before the horse... you want all the benefits without doing the dirty work.

I have no idea what this criticism is in reference to.  Making a statement about one thing does not preclude my beliefs on other topics.

[mclees8]

Last I remember... the Jesus only gave one charge to his church.  "Go into all the world and preach the Gospel and make disciples"... I do not understand why your view of the church didn't even mention the great commission.

I assume you are directing your post to me.  The reason I did not mention it was due to the fact that I was answering Mike's question specifically.  He has posed it to me on other threads.  As to your first assertion, that is not the only charge that Our Lord gave to all of His disciples, whom are the Church.

Everything you mention is incidental to our mission on this earth... something that will fall in place naturally if we are doing our job.

I think taking our obligations to be sovereign stewards over ourselves requires a bit more than just "letting things to fall into place."

Seems like you are placing the cart before the horse... you want all the benefits without doing the dirty work.

I have no idea what this criticism is in reference to.  Making a statement about one thing does not preclude my beliefs on other topics.

I assume you are directing your post to me. The reason I did not mention it was due to the fact that I was answering Mike's question specifically. He has posed it to me on other threads. As to your first assertion, that is not the only charge that Our Lord gave to all of His disciples, whom are the Church.

mike
I pose questions for your benefit and the benefit of other readers. Its not that I have to ask the question for my personal enlightenment. I have a very good understanding of   who the real church is and what its purpose is until Jesus comes. I also understand about the deception and false worldly misrepresentation that exists in Christianity and how the RCC was the mother of it.

You said to Rantor that the great commission was not the only  charge for the church. I would like to hear what your ideas are on that and how the papacy plays into that. 

[zoonance]

As a Catholic, I would choose to to act as the knight I am, and defend my King and Lord, Jesus Christ.  As a Catholic knight, my Lord expects me to defend His Vicar on earth, the pastor of His Church, His Holiness, our chief Bishop.

Manna for you...well said.

Which is part of the confusion I think, biblically speaking, where this idea finds support: 1) a single earthly Vicar/pastor/etc. on His behalf and 2) defense of such a person/church/perhaps even the Christ and to what degree and how and to whom?

[_MattChin_]

I'm not prepared to go very far...

Especially when the pope does things like go to Africa and tell all the poor people not to use condoms, etc., then goes home back to his palace made of gold.

It's as though he only did this to kill off more Africans with AIDS, in hoping they will listen to him.

[kensington]

Me either...  let him defend his own actions. 

[papist1]

Last I remember... the Jesus only gave one charge to his church.  "Go into all the world and preach the Gospel and make disciples"... I do not understand why your view of the church didn't even mention the great commission.

Everything you mention is incidental to our mission on this earth... something that will fall in place naturally if we are doing our job.

Seems like you are placing the cart before the horse... you want all the benefits without doing the dirty work.

I guess you also have gotten the cart before the horse. Maybe you should read chapters 5-7 of Matthew and then you may begin to see just some of what is expected of us as Christian people.

peace, papist

[Tantor]

Last I remember... the Jesus only gave one charge to his church.  "Go into all the world and preach the Gospel and make disciples"... I do not understand why your view of the church didn't even mention the great commission.

Everything you mention is incidental to our mission on this earth... something that will fall in place naturally if we are doing our job.

Seems like you are placing the cart before the horse... you want all the benefits without doing the dirty work.

I guess you also have gotten the cart before the horse. Maybe you should read chapters 5-7 of Matthew and then you may begin to see just some of what is expected of us as Christian people.

peace, papist

Those are personal in nature.... not corporate.