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Locutions and active Love '' Reconsidered ''
« on: November 14, 2011, 01:09:35 PM »


The fact that the abortion issue is the only social issue being delt by the Virgin Mary as well as by her son’s Locutions is still revoltiong to me (on a human level)as mentioned in my previous subject; but to be fair I deffinatley do have to recognize the epidemic proportions of the phenomenon.  We do indeed live in a pleasure based  society where sexuality has been placed at or near the top rank of the most primordial human needs. Eating is a need; if you don’t eat you die. Sleeping is a need; if you don’t sleep you die. Keeping warm is a need; if not , in the worst conditions one could actualy die from the cold. Breathing is a need; if you don’t breath you start getting brain death within 5 or 6 minutes depending on the conditions. But if you don’t get into a girl’s (or guy’s) geans for even a number of years you will survive. Sex may be a need but it definatley isn’t a primordial one. For a number of years and for very complex reasons we where not tought the values and importance of self-control and delaying gratification. On the contrary, we where taught ( by a complexe system) to instintaniousley give in to our iner impulses and we where also brought to have our concept of iner impulses, desires and  primordial needs completley blurred.  Humanly speeking I would of course have a tendancy towards beeing pro-life knowing full well however that the subtility’s and complexity’s of life would have me be in favor of abortion in certain cases. I myself am an illigitimate child. My father’s guilt after having conceived me before mariage was so great that he entered a pre psychotic  state causing him to eventually snap and attempt a family scuicide almost 6 years later in the family car as a way for him to eleviate his sexual sins. Although I had a rough life (to put it mildly) I am of course greatefull to be alive. I even have a nurse friend who hase been told once by a teery eyed middle age teen ager that he was greatfull to his mother for having not gone through the obortion and permiting him to live ( having been conceived from a rape ). Abortion due to rape is perfectley understandable  but once you heard a story like that one she said , it gets to you you know ! I think a lot of issues still need to be adressed and recognized, especialy when it comes to the EDUCATION of the RESPONSIBILSATION of young men towards women. Young women (very often teenagers) are still thrown under the bus way too often, or at least lead to bear the responsibilty of their child’s futur without the responsibilisation of their male partner. 

As I previously mentionned, I still have a human tendancy to be revolt against the SILENCE towards other critical social issues concerning children and women throughout the world within the Marian apparitions and Christ Locutions phenomenon. However there maybe a reason for this silence after all. Let us suppose  a mother has 10 children where 8 are unjust, mean and full of hatred and the other two are just, virtuous , loyal and full of love for others. How does she feel ? Does she love her unjust children any less ? How would she respond if approached by her good children’s complaints on their brothers attitude ? I think what hurts me to the core in this is that my love ends at the human dimension line. My love and attitude towards others and the world we live in tends to react to people’s capacity to love on one hand and also to situations involving deep human injustice ( which of course is perfectly natural and human ) on the other. It goes without saying that both the Virgin’s and Jesus’s Love must probably transcend human love and embrace not only a love of the person, but also a Universal Love of the soul. As crazy as it may seem their nature may not permit them to LOVE even the worst possible MONSTER  any less than any one of their helpless victims. Am I capable of this love ?

Praying for the ennemie’s salvation regardless of… Would I be ready to condemn someone to an eternity of unimaginable pain and suffering without any possibility of hope of change and salvation throughout all of etrnity ? And what if my absence of prayer for his soul where in itself to contribute to an irrevocable condemnation sentence ? What if my feelings of hatred and revolt towards him could also affect my prayer’s power ?

So perhaps Christ’s as well as the Virgin’s LOVE for humanity can transcend human justice and bring it to the level of Forgiveness but what are we to do ? Perhaps absence of words do not necessarily translate into absence of interest. Perhaps Mary and Jesus pray  for the worlds MONSTERS while silently suffering for the slain, the enslaved, the sold, the beaten, the raped, the abused, the mocked and week…  After all Jesus did not come to change the world but to save all sinners, but what about us ?

‘’ Give unto Caeser what belongs to Caeser and unto GOD what belongs to GOD ‘’. In other words, There is no incompatibility between Forgivness and the Soial Justice System. We have a responsibility to try and change the world. We have the responsibility to defend those who can not defend themselves. This has to be attempted in parallel with prayer for the salvation of the souls of the deeply UNJUST.
The lack of mention of all the other helpless victims still hurts and revolts me, but at least I now know the reason for this silence.

Charles

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Locutions and active Love '' Reconsidered ''
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2011, 01:22:27 PM »
Good post, Charles.  Jesus and Our Lady certainly do care for all people and want us to bring justice to the world.  Know that not only do we have these visions but Jesus also gave us the Catholic Church itself, which propounds the gospel and works throughout the world to save sinners and enliven them with grace that will help them love their neighbors and serve their needs.  Jesus gave all of us the Catholic Church and gives himself in the Eucharist for the very purpose that God has laid on your heart.  Jesus loves all people but does not stop suffering, it is a vital part of human existence.  He uses this suffering to save people, he uses YOUR suffering to save people.

I can tell you have a heart to help many people who are suffering.  Offer these sufferings up, in union with the sufferings of Jesus, and you will save many people and you will be a channel for Jesus into the world.  Jesus not only came in a vision but in person, and when he was here he gave us the Church whom he died for!  Don't be discouraged by the lack of supernatural messages regarding social justice issues.  That is a large part of why Jesus gave us His Church.

God bless you Charles, you are a good reminder to everyone who reads your posts that we can all do more to help those who are suffering.
John 13
34 I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.
35 This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

2 John
6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

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