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Members leaving Roman Catholicism in droves
« on: December 09, 2011, 06:39:20 AM »
More Than 1,000 Mexicans Leave Catholic Church Daily, Expert Says
read the article here    http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=390745&CategoryId=14091

Pew Forum survey shows American Catholics are … leaving
http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/pew-forum-survey-shows-american-catholics-are-leaving/

Latinos Leaving Catholic Church      http://www.ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18908-latinos-leaving-catholic-church

Changes in Religious Affiliation in the U.S.      http://pewforum.org/Faith-in-Flux(3).aspx

German Catholics call for reform, many leaving       http://cathnews.co.nz/2011/06/03/german-catholics-call-for-reform-many-leaving/


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Re: Members leaving Roman Catholicism in droves
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2011, 07:02:53 AM »
More Than 1,000 Mexicans Leave Catholic Church Daily, Expert Says
read the article here    http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=390745&CategoryId=14091

Pew Forum survey shows American Catholics are … leaving
http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/pew-forum-survey-shows-american-catholics-are-leaving/

Latinos Leaving Catholic Church      http://www.ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18908-latinos-leaving-catholic-church

Changes in Religious Affiliation in the U.S.      http://pewforum.org/Faith-in-Flux(3).aspx

German Catholics call for reform, many leaving       http://cathnews.co.nz/2011/06/03/german-catholics-call-for-reform-many-leaving/



For the salvation of disaffected souls, for those who have turned away from the most Holy Eucharist, in sorrow we turn to you, O Lord, and ask that you heal their hearts.  We offer our sorrows and our faith in your power to bring them back to the Truth, in union with the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, for the salvation of all men, especially those who have turned away from the Holy Catholic Church that you established, who are so ungrateful for the great gift you have bestowed on us: your own self in the Most Holy Eucharist.

I offer this penance now for the souls leaving Your Holy Catholic Church.
Penance for Offenses against the Most Holy Eucharist

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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2011, 07:02:53 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2011, 07:10:36 AM »
For the salvation of disaffected souls, for those who have turned away from the most Holy Eucharist, in sorrow we turn to you, O Lord, and ask that you heal their hearts.  We offer our sorrows and our faith in your power to bring them back to the Truth, in union with the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, for the salvation of all men, especially those who have turned away from the Holy Catholic Church that you established, who are so ungrateful for the great gift you have bestowed on us: your own self in the Most Holy Eucharist.

I offer this penance now for the souls leaving Your Holy Catholic Church.
Penance for Offenses against the Most Holy Eucharist


They are also in my prayers.  May God work His way in them so that they may return to the true Church - the Roman Catholic Church with Christ as her Head.   ::prayinghard::

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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2011, 08:05:12 AM »
More Than 1,000 Mexicans Leave Catholic Church Daily, Expert Says
read the article here    http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=390745&CategoryId=14091

Pew Forum survey shows American Catholics are … leaving
http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/pew-forum-survey-shows-american-catholics-are-leaving/

Latinos Leaving Catholic Church      http://www.ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18908-latinos-leaving-catholic-church

Changes in Religious Affiliation in the U.S.      http://pewforum.org/Faith-in-Flux(3).aspx

German Catholics call for reform, many leaving       http://cathnews.co.nz/2011/06/03/german-catholics-call-for-reform-many-leaving/


Hey, Tinker - for as many Catholics who leave the Church - THAT many more Protestants FLOCK to her in droves . . .

Pastor and Flock Convert to Catholicism
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0077.html

Marian Revival among Protestants (Protestants flock to Jesus’ Mother)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2017488/posts

Anglo-Lutheran Catholics' to Enter Catholic Church through Anglican Ordinariate
http://www.catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=40492

100 US Anglican parishes convert to Roman Catholic Church
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7375163/100-US-Anglican-parishes-convert-to-Roman-Catholic-Church.html

Why Are Evangelicals Turning Catholic?
http://www.thebereancall.org/node/6596

Born-again Catholics: Evangelicals crossing the Tiber
http://www.uscatholic.org/church/2011/07/born-again-catholics-evangelicals-crossing-tiber

A River Runs to It: A New Exodus of Protestants Streams to Rome
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0252.html

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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2011, 08:27:35 AM »
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Catholica,

Not to worry. They are welcome at the Lords Table in my church. We see them every day. They are responding to Christs unconditional open invitation. Peace, JohnR

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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2011, 08:29:07 AM »
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For the salvation of disaffected souls, for those who have turned away from the most Holy Eucharist

Catholica,

Not to worry. They are welcome at the Lords Table in my church. We see them every day. They are responding to Christs unconditional open invitation. Peace, JohnR

So Methodism is on the upswing?

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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2011, 08:49:34 AM »
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For the salvation of disaffected souls, for those who have turned away from the most Holy Eucharist

Catholica,

Not to worry. They are welcome at the Lords Table in my church. We see them every day. They are responding to Christs unconditional open invitation. Peace, JohnR

I don't worry, they are in God's hands, especially through my prayers and the prayers of others here.

BTW I Praise God for your presence on the forum today.

Thank you Lord for bringing us the company of JohnR, aka highrigger.  Let us grow a closer bond in unity and truth.  Bring us to a spirit of charity that best reflects that love which you showed to mankind through your Son Jesus, who was Truth incarnate.  Please bless John in his day, and enkindle in him the saving fire of your love, to your greater glory.  Amen.

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Re: Members leaving Roman Catholicism in droves
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2011, 09:39:13 AM »

Not to worry. They are welcome at the Lords Table in my church. We see them every day. They are responding to Christs unconditional open invitation. Peace, JohnR


And they are welcome in the Catholic Church, wherein the Lord is spiritually and PHYSICALLY present - not just symbolically as he is in your ecclesial community . . .

Pastor and Flock Convert to Catholicism
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0077.html

Marian Revival among Protestants (Protestants flock to Jesus’ Mother)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2017488/posts

Anglo-Lutheran Catholics' to Enter Catholic Church through Anglican Ordinariate
http://www.catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=40492

100 US Anglican parishes convert to Roman Catholic Church
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7375163/100-US-Anglican-parishes-convert-to-Roman-Catholic-Church.html

Why Are Evangelicals Turning Catholic?
http://www.thebereancall.org/node/6596

Born-again Catholics: Evangelicals crossing the Tiber
http://www.uscatholic.org/church/2011/07/born-again-catholics-evangelicals-crossing-tiber

A River Runs to It: A New Exodus of Protestants Streams to Rome
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0252.html

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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2011, 04:41:33 PM »
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And they are welcome in the Catholic Church, wherein the Lord is spiritually and PHYSICALLY present - not just symbolically as he is in your ecclesial community . . .

elvisman,

Back to the topic, 1 out of 10 Americans is an EX-Catholic. I meet them all the time..The real problem is most of them dont just go to another denomination. They become atheists, which shows their disgust with what they have been trught.
Shame. Shame.  Peace, JohnR

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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2011, 08:04:40 PM »
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And they are welcome in the Catholic Church, wherein the Lord is spiritually and PHYSICALLY present - not just symbolically as he is in your ecclesial community . . .

elvisman,

Back to the topic, 1 out of 10 Americans is an EX-Catholic. I meet them all the time..The real problem is most of them dont just go to another denomination. They become atheists, which shows their disgust with what they have been trught.
Shame. Shame.  Peace, JohnR

Thats weird. I'm always hearing testimony of people coming to the Catholic Church not leaving. I guess God is on the rise hear in Indiana. I'll pray for the rest of you all's states.

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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2011, 11:40:41 PM »
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And they are welcome in the Catholic Church, wherein the Lord is spiritually and PHYSICALLY present - not just symbolically as he is in your ecclesial community . . .

elvisman,

Back to the topic, 1 out of 10 Americans is an EX-Catholic. I meet them all the time..The real problem is most of them dont just go to another denomination. They become atheists, which shows their disgust with what they have been trught.
Shame. Shame.  Peace, JohnR

Nice anecdotal evidence, but likely if they are becoming atheist it is because they refuse to submit to God's moral law, or they are simply apathetic.  Few Catholics leave because they are "disgusted".  And if they are, its likely that they don't understand the faith that well.

The Catholic faith is exceedingly beautiful.  Hard to live, but beautiful.

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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2011, 12:46:22 AM »
likely if they are becoming atheist it is because they refuse to submit to God's moral law

Or perhaps, in my case, they were eight year-olds who couldn't make sense of the Latin Mass.  My whole family found it strange that God required us to worship him in a foreign language.

We left in 1970. We were active in the parish, and lots of people knew us, but no one seemed to miss us when we left. No one called or came by to visit. I found this strange, because up until this time, we were in each other's homes almost every week for a couple of decades (beginning before I was born).

Recently I visited the rectory, and told them my name. The secretary pulled out a dusty old ledger and, indeed, found all of our names in there as members in good standing.  They don't know that both of my parents are dead, and my sister stopped believing in anything at all, after high school.

This is why I don't trust it when they claim 1 billion members. How many other dead people are they claiming as members? How many apostates who never said goodbye on their way out the door?

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2011, 01:50:48 AM »
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Or perhaps, in my case, they were eight year-olds who couldn't make sense of the Latin Mass.  My whole family found it strange that God required us to worship him in a foreign language.


Seeing how you were eight I doubt you understood much of anything. However if your parents wanted to know they needed only to read a book. Its not like knowing the history of the Church they are affiliated with is such an outrageous thing to expect from people.

I know why Mass was in Latin and I don't even have kids. I guarantee you my children will understand why Mass used to only be in Latin.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge,

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We left in 1970. We were active in the parish, and lots of people knew us, but no one seemed to miss us when we left. No one called or came by to visit. I found this strange, because up until this time, we were in each other's homes almost every week for a couple of decades (beginning before I was born).

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Recently I visited the rectory, and told them my name. The secretary pulled out a dusty old ledger and, indeed, found all of our names in there as members in good standing.  They don't know that both of my parents are dead, and my sister stopped believing in anything at all, after high school.

This is why I don't trust it when they claim 1 billion members. How many other dead people are they claiming as members? How many apostates who never said goodbye on their way out the door?

I don't see how the administrative fallings of your former parish has anything to do with this thread or with what you quoted from Catholica but ok.

Actually we report just a little over a billion memebers. Of course admin is not air tight.I must say I find it kind of odd that your family was so active in your community and parish but when decided to leave never told anyone. You guys just up and left without talking to your priests about the doubts you were having about Catholicism and you didn't even bother to say goodbye? Kind of harsh. No wonder no one seemed to miss you. My family is as disfunctional as the Jackson 5 but even if I just left eventually my Dad would inquire about me.

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2011, 03:21:30 AM »
I think a lot of christians are no longer interested in how church does it, but seek a spiritual relationship with Jesus. Often church hinders that relationship and so decide to leave.

Often their particular church does not feed the sheep, so the sheep are scattered.

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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2011, 06:07:24 AM »
likely if they are becoming atheist it is because they refuse to submit to God's moral law

Or perhaps, in my case, they were eight year-olds who couldn't make sense of the Latin Mass.  My whole family found it strange that God required us to worship him in a foreign language.

We left in 1970. We were active in the parish, and lots of people knew us, but no one seemed to miss us when we left. No one called or came by to visit. I found this strange, because up until this time, we were in each other's homes almost every week for a couple of decades (beginning before I was born).

I find your story odd.  Not odd that you left, but especially odd because you say that you left in 1970 because you couldn't understand the mass in Latin.  In fact, 1970 was the year that mass started being said completely in English, with some parts of the Latin Mass being said in English starting in 1967.  Are you sure it wasn't the other way around (for your parents), that it wasn't was that they left because the mass was changing and was going to be said in English?  That would make far more sense, and that might describe why they stopped going to mass and no one noticed.  There was likely a lot of backlash at that time against the English mass, and especially the big changes to it not counting English.

But still, I don't understand why you would have left in 1970, as that was the year English came out.  I think there had to be more reason than that.  Not that I think you are lying, but it just doesn't make sense to me.

Recently I visited the rectory, and told them my name. The secretary pulled out a dusty old ledger and, indeed, found all of our names in there as members in good standing.  They don't know that both of my parents are dead, and my sister stopped believing in anything at all, after high school.

This is why I don't trust it when they claim 1 billion members. How many other dead people are they claiming as members? How many apostates who never said goodbye on their way out the door?

I don't think the Church uses baptismal records to count "members in good standing".  There are several independent sources in the world that calculate these numbers as well, and they all come in the same ballpark.  
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