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Re: Papacy - right or wrong?
« Reply #840 on: December 14, 2010, 03:27:31 PM »
Its not about fear Mclees. Its about unity. The Catholic Church promotes the idea of the saints living on earth and in heaven strengthening a cause by being unified and one accord through the collective power of prayer. Only the truly misguided or blind would thnk something wrong with that.

So you believe in the collective approach and I believe in the personal approach

I believe in the personal approach first and the collective second.

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« Reply #841 on: December 14, 2010, 05:52:16 PM »

Yes i have asked for prayer, and yes I have prayed for others even when not asked.

But when I ask for prayer I pray they go straight to Jesus with it. I would not feel that they had to go through another to get to Jesus. I have never felt the need to ask a passed on saint to pray for me. Paul says we can now come boldly unto the throne of grace for we do not have a high priest who cannot be touched with feeling of our infirmities. if I ask for prayer I pray they follow this path taking the direct root 

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If it is good to ask others to pray for you, why not ask the saints to pray for you?



For the same reason I have stated


You didn't state a reason. In fact, you said that you ask others to pray for you.




As far as I am concerned i did. I do not ask others to pray for me very often but there have been times. I tend to go to Jesus for all my needs. Are Catholics afraid of him or something that they have to hide behind someone else. the children of Israel hid behind Moses afraid to approach God. they wanted Moses to talk to Him


mclees,  you hit the nail on the head,we go directly to Lord Jesus or God with our prayers.The video below is a reminder of what every Christian should know whether Catholics or not,its about the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.Be bless.



 
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« Reply #842 on: December 15, 2010, 07:28:38 AM »

 
mclees,  you hit the nail on the head,we go directly to Lord Jesus or God with our prayers.
 

Mclees admitted that he asks others to pray for him sometimes.

Do you?
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« Reply #843 on: December 15, 2010, 08:45:46 PM »

 
mclees,  you hit the nail on the head,we go directly to Lord Jesus or God with our prayers.
 

Mclees admitted that he asks others to pray for him sometimes.

Do you?

What would that matter? It would not change anything. But if we look at our model prayer that Jesus taught us it begins with "Our Father who art in heaven". this is praying straight to to God the Father. Jesus and the Father are one. I see no instruction to pay to anyone else.

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« Reply #844 on: December 15, 2010, 09:09:40 PM »

 
mclees,  you hit the nail on the head,we go directly to Lord Jesus or God with our prayers.
 

Mclees admitted that he asks others to pray for him sometimes.

Do you?

What would that matter? It would not change anything. But if we look at our model prayer that Jesus taught us it begins with "Our Father who art in heaven". this is praying straight to to God the Father. Jesus and the Father are one. I see no instruction to pay to anyone else.

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The bible also teaches us to pray for each other and to seek the prayers of others.

Catholics follow the teachings of the bible.
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« Reply #845 on: December 15, 2010, 09:14:18 PM »

 
mclees,  you hit the nail on the head,we go directly to Lord Jesus or God with our prayers.
 

Mclees admitted that he asks others to pray for him sometimes.

Do you?


Lord Jesus taught me to pray directly to God in his name,I don't need any false teaching to corrupt my way of praying.
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« Reply #846 on: December 15, 2010, 10:36:05 PM »

 
mclees,  you hit the nail on the head,we go directly to Lord Jesus or God with our prayers.
 

Mclees admitted that he asks others to pray for him sometimes.

Do you?


Lord Jesus taught me to pray directly to God in his name,I don't need any false teaching to corrupt my way of praying.


So you don't pray for anyone or ask anyone to pray for you?

How sad, and unbiblical.
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« Reply #847 on: December 15, 2010, 11:07:31 PM »

 
mclees,  you hit the nail on the head,we go directly to Lord Jesus or God with our prayers.
 

Mclees admitted that he asks others to pray for him sometimes.

Do you?


Lord Jesus taught me to pray directly to God in his name,I don't need any false teaching to corrupt my way of praying.


So you don't pray for anyone or ask anyone to pray for you?

How sad, and unbiblical.


I know that Roman Catholics do pray to and through dead people exactly the same practice like the chinese ancestor worship. 
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Re: Papacy - right or wrong?
« Reply #848 on: December 16, 2010, 07:23:00 AM »
So you really believe that the saints in Heaven are dead?

And you the Catholics partake in necromancy?

Sense when do Christians who die the 1st death stay dead? I could've sworn we were called up to Heaven to LIVE in the in dwelling of God?

 
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« Reply #849 on: December 16, 2010, 07:31:54 AM »


I know that Roman Catholics do pray to and through dead people exactly the same practice like the chinese ancestor worship. 

John 11:26
Indeed, everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe that?"

Mark 12

Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died, God said to Moses,‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 27 So he is the God of the living, not the dead. You have made a serious error.
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« Reply #850 on: December 16, 2010, 07:54:11 AM »
I love the half cocked necromancy shot. It always goes just as far as the guy gets in half done research.

Haha As if the saved in Heaven are dead. If that isn't the biggest pile of heresy to date. 
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« Reply #851 on: December 16, 2010, 01:21:26 PM »

 
mclees,  you hit the nail on the head,we go directly to Lord Jesus or God with our prayers.
 

Mclees admitted that he asks others to pray for him sometimes.

Do you?


Lord Jesus taught me to pray directly to God in his name,I don't need any false teaching to corrupt my way of praying.


So you don't pray for anyone or ask anyone to pray for you?

How sad, and unbiblical.

To answer your question,

(1) yes, we pray to our Lord to send forth laborers in the His fields which are white unto harvest (Luke 10:2)

(2) yes, we pray for one another that the Lord would send His healing (James 5:16)

(3) yes, we pray and ask that God would fill you with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding (Col 1:9)

(4) yes, we pray to God that you do no wrong (2 Cor 13:7)

(5) yes, we pray for God's kingdom to come, and God's will to be done on earth as it's being done in heaven (Matt 6:10)

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« Reply #852 on: December 16, 2010, 06:28:01 PM »
I love the half cocked necromancy shot. It always goes just as far as the guy gets in half done research.

Haha As if the saved in Heaven are dead. If that isn't the biggest pile of heresy to date. 

 Wow, you even have a word for worshipping dead people-necromancy. Oh yes,perhaps you like my chinese friends to coach you on how to do it properly as they and their ancestors have been doing this practice for thousands of year,even before Christianity started.Let me know okay.
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« Reply #853 on: December 16, 2010, 06:33:14 PM »

 
mclees,  you hit the nail on the head,we go directly to Lord Jesus or God with our prayers.
 

Mclees admitted that he asks others to pray for him sometimes.

Do you?


Lord Jesus taught me to pray directly to God in his name,I don't need any false teaching to corrupt my way of praying.


So you don't pray for anyone or ask anyone to pray for you?

How sad, and unbiblical.

To answer your question,

(1) yes, we pray to our Lord to send forth laborers in the His fields which are white unto harvest (Luke 10:2)

(2) yes, we pray for one another that the Lord would send His healing (James 5:16)

(3) yes, we pray and ask that God would fill you with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding (Col 1:9)

(4) yes, we pray to God that you do no wrong (2 Cor 13:7)

(5) yes, we pray for God's kingdom to come, and God's will to be done on earth as it's being done in heaven (Matt 6:10)

Catholics pray for the exact same thing when the seek the intersecting prayers if the saints.
"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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« Reply #854 on: December 16, 2010, 06:36:54 PM »
I love the half cocked necromancy shot. It always goes just as far as the guy gets in half done research.

Haha As if the saved in Heaven are dead. If that isn't the biggest pile of heresy to date. 

 Wow, you even have a word for worshipping dead people-necromancy. Oh yes,perhaps you like my chinese friends to coach you on how to do it properly as they and their ancestors have been doing this practice for thousands of year,even before Christianity started.Let me know okay.

Now mods, when you let guys like this post lies regularly it makes me lash out and call them thickheads. Catholics don't partake in necromancy. The saints in heaven are alive just as we are alive on earth, I think we all agree. How is asking for their help any worse than me asking one of you to pray for me while I'm out on a deployment?
"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria