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Peter's Supremacy
« on: Wed Dec 25, 2019 - 12:13:23 »

If we allow that Peter is the rock upon which the Roman Catholic Church is built, and also allow that within the Roman Catholic Church's hierarchy the apostle Peter is supreme in matters related to faith and practice; then we must also allow that Catholics will be thoroughly judged for their every failure to know, and to comply, with everything that Peter taught in his two epistles.

Failure to comply with Peter's instructions is all the same as failure to comply with Christ's. It's a domino effect all the way to the top.

Luke 10:16 . .Whoever listens to you; listens to me. Whoever rejects you; rejects me. And whoever rejects me; rejects the one who sent me.

It matters little whether or not the apostle Peter is actually the rock that Jesus spoke of at Matt 16:18. That debate is a red herring and a waste of perfectly good forum bytes.

What matters most to Catholics is whether they themselves sincerely believe Peter is that rock because then they are obligated to submit to his authority and comply with everything that Peter taught in his two epistles.

It's a terrible tragedy indeed for those Catholics who all their lifetimes defended Peter's supremacy only to end up in hell because they neglected to listen to him.

Matt 16:19 . . I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
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Re: Peter's Supremacy
« Reply #1 on: Wed Dec 25, 2019 - 13:05:19 »
How is that different from any Christian, Catholic or not?

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Re: Peter's Supremacy
« Reply #2 on: Wed Dec 25, 2019 - 14:13:38 »
How is that different from any Christian, Catholic or not?

We don't follow the Pope

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Re: Peter's Supremacy
« Reply #3 on: Wed Dec 25, 2019 - 16:02:30 »
Of all of the apostles, Peter was one who had the most trouble of ruling his spirit and being consistent in his faith~but, then again he's a thousand times better than any pope that has ever been over the biggest whore in Mystery Babylon.

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Re: Peter's Supremacy
« Reply #4 on: Mon Jan 13, 2020 - 13:27:52 »
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2Pet 3:1-2 . .This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you; through them by way of reminder I am trying to stir up your sincere disposition, to recall the words previously spoken by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and savior through your apostles.

Note the possessive pronoun "your" when Peter speaks of apostles. In other words; the original twelve apostles multiplied and spread out so as to perpetuate Jesus' hierarchical representation down here on the Earth.

So then, who are these "your apostles" about whom Peter speaks? We need to know because they stand in for Jesus; which is pretty serious because refusal to comply with their words is all the same as refusal to comply with the Lord and savior's commandment.

The Greek word for "apostle" is apostolos (ap-os'-tol-os) which basically refers to a delegate, i.e. an ambassador. The designation isn't limited to the original twelve; for example:

Phil 2:25 . .With regard to Epaphroditus, my brother and co-worker and fellow soldier, your messenger and minister in my need, I consider it necessary to send him to you.

The Greek word for "messenger" in that verse is apostolos (ap-os'-tol-os). In other words; "your messenger" is the same as "your apostle".

I suggest that apostles like Epaphroditus are what's commonly known as Bishops; men entrusted with the spiritual welfare of not just one local church, rather, a number of local churches in a specific territory, i.e. a diocese.

Well; I know of nothing in the Bible preventing Bishops from having a senior Bishop in charge of all the other Bishops; viz: Cardinals. And again, I know of nothing in the Bible preventing Cardinals from having a senior Cardinal in charge of all the other Cardinals, viz: a pontiff.

The Roman Catholic Church's hierarchal structure is neither unbiblical, unreasonable, nor unusual. Practically every country and every government operates the very same way. In point of fact, even the angels in Heaven are similarly organized. We know that's so because there exists a cadre of celestial beings called archangels; which is from the Greek word archaggelos (ar-khang'-el-os) which means a chief angel. Well if there are chief angels, then there must be a cadre of lesser angels subordinate to the archangels; and so on down the line, with the whole structure captained by Christ; the angels' pontiff. (1Pet 3:22)

Now the thing is: nobody has to buy into The Church's hierarchical structure if they don't want (CCC 1782) however, once they accept the structure, then Peter expects them to get behind it.

1Pet 5:5 . .You younger members, be subject to the presbyters.
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Re: Peter's Supremacy
« Reply #5 on: Mon Jan 13, 2020 - 13:44:28 »
@4WD@Texas Conservative , @RB 

Don't waste your time.

"NyawehNyoh" as he calls himself here wanders from forum to forum under different names posting the same rubbish.

He never replies to any comments. He just plods on until he's finished his set of posts and then goes on to another similar topic.

 

     
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