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Re: Petrine Supremacy
« Reply #90 on: April 03, 2012, 05:55:13 AM »
I don’t agree that Peter had made a mistake.

Of course you don't agree. Admitting Peter made a mistake is admitting he did not carry authority in the way you would like him to have.
Read my response below.


Yes, the issue was decided. The debate had concluded with Peter’s speech and they move on to other matters.

What other matters? Can you show me that the assembly was about multiple matters?
Acts 15:5-6 "But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.
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« Reply #91 on: April 03, 2012, 11:43:18 AM »

A question for you Scott . You have said : " I listen to MY Patriarch and my Bishop . " What does your Patriarch teach about the dogma of Papal Supremacy as defined by the First Vatican Council ?

Come on , beam yourself up , Scotty .

Not for the first time have I asked you this or a similar question , but you seem to be reticent in answering .
Sorry ... missed this trying to avoid some of the nonsense posts on this thread.

I don't have a quote for you - so I suppose I don't know.

Some EC bishops are quite vocal or both sides of the issue - not sure why this is important to you.

"Most" - in my opinion view the Latin teachings with respect - but simply toss aside any doctrinal issues as "problems in definition".
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« Reply #91 on: April 03, 2012, 11:43:18 AM »

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« Reply #92 on: April 03, 2012, 12:19:56 PM »

A question for you Scott . You have said : " I listen to MY Patriarch and my Bishop . " What does your Patriarch teach about the dogma of Papal Supremacy as defined by the First Vatican Council ?

Come on , beam yourself up , Scotty .

Not for the first time have I asked you this or a similar question , but you seem to be reticent in answering .


I don't have a quote for you - so I suppose I don't know.

Some EC bishops are quite vocal or both sides of the issue - not sure why this is important to you.


It's important to me because I want my knowledge of Catholicism to grow , and part of that growth would be to know what a Catholic Patriarch teaches . Simple as that .
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« Reply #93 on: April 03, 2012, 12:36:46 PM »

A question for you Scott . You have said : " I listen to MY Patriarch and my Bishop . " What does your Patriarch teach about the dogma of Papal Supremacy as defined by the First Vatican Council ?

Come on , beam yourself up , Scotty .

Not for the first time have I asked you this or a similar question , but you seem to be reticent in answering .


I don't have a quote for you - so I suppose I don't know.

Some EC bishops are quite vocal or both sides of the issue - not sure why this is important to you.


It's important to me because I want my knowledge of Catholicism to grow , and part of that growth would be to know what a Catholic Patriarch teaches . Simple as that .
Gotcha ... guess it was "reticent" that got my goofy brain working!  Hehe

Will ask my Bishop when I speak to him later tonight.
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Re: Petrine Supremacy
« Reply #94 on: April 04, 2012, 01:33:17 AM »

Sorry ... missed this trying to avoid some of the nonsense posts on this thread.


Better understood to read "Sorry....missed this trying to avoid all the truth being posted in this thread"  ::nodding::

How have you found the insightful exposition of Gal 2 and Acts 15?

Many well read and studied seem to be enjoying the hidden gems? But it appears you would sell these for some pottage? or should we call it Church Dogma?

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« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2012, 08:32:40 AM »
I don’t agree that Peter had made a mistake.

Of course you don't agree. Admitting Peter made a mistake is admitting he did not carry authority in the way you would like him to have.
Read my response below.


Yes, the issue was decided. The debate had concluded with Peter’s speech and they move on to other matters.

What other matters? Can you show me that the assembly was about multiple matters?
Acts 15:5-6 "But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.
What is good has been explained to you, man; this is what the Lord asks of you: only this, to act justly, to love tenderly and to walk humbly with your God. (Micah 6:8)

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« Reply #96 on: April 04, 2012, 04:03:59 PM »
I don’t agree that Peter had made a mistake.

Of course you don't agree. Admitting Peter made a mistake is admitting he did not carry authority in the way you would like him to have.
Read my response below.


Yes, the issue was decided. The debate had concluded with Peter’s speech and they move on to other matters.

What other matters? Can you show me that the assembly was about multiple matters?
Acts 15:5-6 "But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.
And now, Christians, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

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« Reply #97 on: April 04, 2012, 04:05:54 PM »

A question for you Scott . You have said : " I listen to MY Patriarch and my Bishop . " What does your Patriarch teach about the dogma of Papal Supremacy as defined by the First Vatican Council ?

Come on , beam yourself up , Scotty .

Not for the first time have I asked you this or a similar question , but you seem to be reticent in answering .


I don't have a quote for you - so I suppose I don't know.

Some EC bishops are quite vocal or both sides of the issue - not sure why this is important to you.


It's important to me because I want my knowledge of Catholicism to grow , and part of that growth would be to know what a Catholic Patriarch teaches . Simple as that .
Gotcha ... guess it was "reticent" that got my goofy brain working!  Hehe

Will ask my Bishop when I speak to him later tonight.

There is the problem with the church "Will ask my Bishop when I speak to him later tonight"

When he tells you the same lies that he swallowed where will this leave you Scott?

And now, Christians, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

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« Reply #98 on: April 04, 2012, 10:15:22 PM »
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It is not that the Pope is infallible in his own personal strength and power, or make decision on his own personal authority

When and which pope ever said something ex cathedra,and what was it?
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« Reply #99 on: April 04, 2012, 11:36:36 PM »
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It is not that the Pope is infallible in his own personal strength and power, or make decision on his own personal authority

When and which pope ever said something ex cathedra,and what was it?
Catholics debate this quite a bit... most will tell you that infallibility has been invoked by popes only twice: by Pius IX, in defining the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin in 1854 (16 years before papal infallibility itself was actually defined at Vatican I), and by Pius XII, in defining the dogma of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin in 1950.

Some will say that papal canonizations of saints are infallible (I don't agree) and some will assert that just about everything the Pope says (from the Wed. audiences to his lunch menu) is infallible.

If you read a modern document (post-Vat I) and read the words  “we define
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Re: Petrine Supremacy
« Reply #100 on: April 05, 2012, 01:38:14 AM »
I don’t agree that Peter had made a mistake.

Of course you don't agree. Admitting Peter made a mistake is admitting he did not carry authority in the way you would like him to have.
Read my response below.


Yes, the issue was decided. The debate had concluded with Peter’s speech and they move on to other matters.

What other matters? Can you show me that the assembly was about multiple matters?
Acts 15:5-6 "But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.
What is good has been explained to you, man; this is what the Lord asks of you: only this, to act justly, to love tenderly and to walk humbly with your God. (Micah 6:8)

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« Reply #101 on: April 06, 2012, 11:34:16 PM »
I don’t agree that Peter had made a mistake.

Of course you don't agree. Admitting Peter made a mistake is admitting he did not carry authority in the way you would like him to have.
Read my response below.


Yes, the issue was decided. The debate had concluded with Peter’s speech and they move on to other matters.

What other matters? Can you show me that the assembly was about multiple matters?
Acts 15:5-6 "But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.
And now, Christians, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

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Re: Petrine Supremacy
« Reply #102 on: April 11, 2012, 07:31:05 PM »
Insight, your understanding of Holy Scripture would be completely foreign to the early Christians, never mind the pagans.

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« Reply #103 on: May 01, 2012, 09:33:10 AM »
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Catholics debate this quite a bit... most will tell you that infallibility has been invoked by popes only twice: by Pius IX, in defining the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin in 1854 (16 years before papal infallibility itself was actually defined at Vatican I), and by Pius XII, in defining the dogma of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin in 1950.

Some will say that papal canonizations of saints are infallible (I don't agree) and some will assert that just about everything the Pope says (from the Wed. audiences to his lunch menu) is infallible.

If you read a modern document (post-Vat I) and read the words  “we define

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« Reply #104 on: May 01, 2012, 03:37:34 PM »
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Catholics debate this quite a bit... most will tell you that infallibility has been invoked by popes only twice: by Pius IX, in defining the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin in 1854 (16 years before papal infallibility itself was actually defined at Vatican I), and by Pius XII, in defining the dogma of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin in 1950.

Some will say that papal canonizations of saints are infallible (I don't agree) and some will assert that just about everything the Pope says (from the Wed. audiences to his lunch menu) is infallible.

If you read a modern document (post-Vat I) and read the words  “we define
"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria