Poll for Catholics

[St Cecilia]

Just thought I'd put a poll here for Catholics to answer, since there is one for Protestants, if they haven't been scared away by the general tone of some of the posts here.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

In all fairness, Cecilia, Protestants don't believe in venerating anyone.  So it's not really "more than" so much as "not at all."

[Bocephus]

St. Cecilia, I would appreciate it if you would knock off the "Protestant vs. Catholic" stuff. If you want to discuss doctrines, go ahead, jab at it, and include evidence for your position.

[St Cecilia]

St. Cecilia, I would appreciate it if you would knock off the "Protestant vs. Catholic" stuff. If you want to discuss doctrines, go ahead, jab at it, and include evidence for your position.

I'm only responding to other titles I've seen here. This forum seems to have a lot of anti-Catholics. In short, I was inspired by the titles of other threads.

[James.]

You'll note, please, that Gary's was a statement of forum moderation, not merely an idle post.  You'll also note the other thread was locked because of the bad attitudes displayed therein, and therefore one might expect the same for other threads that begin to display similar attitudes.

IOW, no tit for tat, it only fuels the fires.

[St Cecilia]

Is this forum a strictly anti-Catholic one? It seems that there is a lot of posters who focus on their dislike for that denomination.

[Bocephus]

Is this forum a strictly anti-Catholic one? It seems that there is a lot of posters who focus on their dislike for that denomination.

No.  Other posters have insinuated that we are pro-Catholic.

[St Cecilia]

You are just very tolerant as to who can post here? Other forums I've visited don't allow ad hominems like they seem to be tolerated here. I post at a professional forum that is very strict and people exhibit extremely courteous behavior there. It's a very active forum.

Here, terms like 'papist' are allowed, which is a old anti-Catholic slur that is equivilant to 'kike' for jews. On other forums that I visit these types of things are not tolerated and repeat offenders aren't allowed to post.

[St Cecilia]

Incidentally, my point in posting these threads is that, while non-Catholics don't officially vernerate or idolize anyone, they actually do. They look up to people who are their leaders and role models, which is the same that the Eastern Orthodox and Catholics do to the official saints. People send prayers in to Pat Roberson for him to pray on TV, as if his prayers have some special efficacy.

These people are idolized by their followers, even though there is no official Church structure to recognize them like there is in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. But, what's happening is virtually the same.

[broach972]

St. Cecilia,
I understand your anger and resentment.  My experience on this board has been overall positive.  There are many here eager to learn about the Catholic faith.  Many have inquired, both in a respectful and civil manner.  However, you must realize that some will stick to the same old misconceptions and stereotypes that often distort the Catholic faith.  I never understood just how much junk Catholics put up with until I became one.  It amazes me that Orthodox Christians are not subject to the vile and hatred that we are, yet our theology is almost identical.

I think that many fear what they do not or cannot understand.  Some just don't care to do the research.  Some rely on just bad information.  It can be a variety of things.  There are alot of things that are factually wrong in many of these posts concerning Catholicism.  However, many have already made up their minds.  No matter what you tell them, they will believe what they want to believe.

Ultimately what matters is you know the Truth.  You know what the Catholic faith is.  We know what the Church stands for and what we truly believe.  Take comfort in that.  Like I stated in another thread, when you run into these kind of things...just offer the other cheek and move on.

[Charles Sloan]

Why do Protestants idolize living Protestant Preachers more than the Virgin Mary?

So are you admitting that the Roman Church idolizes Mary?

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Incidentally, my point in posting these threads is that, while non-Catholics don't officially vernerate or idolize anyone, they actually do. They look up to people who are their leaders and role models, which is the same that the Eastern Orthodox and Catholics do to the official saints. People send prayers in to Pat Roberson for him to pray on TV, as if his prayers have some special efficacy.

There's a difference between admiring or looking up to someone as a role model, and what I (we?) perceive the teaching of the Catholic church to be.  Specifically, in the point of praying to them.  No Protestant would be caught dead praying to anyone other than Jesus.

To the other point, there is an emphasis on the power of group prayer, not on merit of the praying person.  In other words, it's not that Pat Robertson's prayers do anything extra, its that he reads them on TV and many people will join him in agreeing over the request.

These people are idolized by their followers, even though there is no official Church structure to recognize them like there is in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. But, what's happening is virtually the same.

If this is true, and I suspect in some cases it is, then what they are doing is wrong.  Why would the church's governors sanction wrong behavior?  Rather they teach against it.

[papist1]

In all fairness, Cecilia, Protestants don't believe in venerating anyone.  So it's not really "more than" so much as "not at all."

Yes, they only canonize them instantly and then follow them to death, as they did with Luther. Heck they even let a mere man tell them that they should take 7 books from the bible and then he created a whole slew of new and invented doctrines and they followed like lost sheep, into a rushing river of tributaries tssing them two and fro until we had ove 30,000 denominations of protestants claiming scripture alone and each believing theirs is the only way.

but no veneration.

peace, papist

[mclees8]

In all fairness, Cecilia, Protestants don't believe in venerating anyone.  So it's not really "more than" so much as "not at all."

Yes, they only canonize them instantly and then follow them to death, as they did with Luther. Heck they even let a mere man tell them that they should take 7 books from the bible and then he created a whole slew of new and invented doctrines and they followed like lost sheep, into a rushing river of tributaries tssing them two and fro until we had ove 30,000 denominations of protestants claiming scripture alone and each believing theirs is the only way.

but no veneration.

peace, papist

Dear sir all are guilty of inventing doctrines and venerating on both sides of the river.It is true denominationalism is not of God, but it was the RCC that gave birth to it and the RCC was the first to stray from the church that christ founded 
mike123

[Christian3269]

the Greek meaning of venerate:

37. hagiazo hag-ee-ad'-zo from 40; to make holy, i.e. (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate:--hallow, be holy, sanctify.
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4573. sebazomai seb-ad'-zom-ahee middle voice from a derivative of 4576; to venerate, i.e. adore:--worship.

so when a person, who believes more in catholicism than Scripture or in fact Jesus Christ The Son of The Living God alone, goes into a confessional to tell their sins to a gentile priest; in return the priest will tell you to say 5 Hail Mary's and 5 Our Fathers....so what is this priest really saying for you to do?

He is simply telling you to call upon the name of Mary instead of Jesus Christ!

When people of the catholic faith say they do not worship Mary, we venerate her - well, now you know what venerate truly means. It mean to WORSHIP!

The city on seven hills teaches and preaches a false Gospel!

WAKE UP PEOPLE!