Praying and repetitions it is a violation

[wayne]

baby being forced to kiss image

[wayne]

baby being forced to kiss image

[desertknight]

"being forced"  

And your words condemn you again.  You know for a fact that the child is "being forced"?  Of course you don't, but when has the truth ever stood in your way of trashing and slandering your fellow Christians?

[DCR]

notice the skull and bones under jesus on the cross. trademark of their master

You know... instead of just looking at a picture, letting your mind run wild on you, or just reading someone's wild speculation on what the image means, why don't you actually try finding out from the source what those symbols mean?

http://www.pravmir.com/article_426.html

The Skull on the "Russian" Orthodox Cross
Fr John Shandra
Nov 22, 2008, 10:00
 
Orthodox iconography includes symbolism to emphasize some important aspects of the depicted person or event that took place in biblical times or recently.


In the Orthodox Church, especially in Slavic countries (former Kievan Rus), the Crucifix is one of the examples of telling story through both actual occurrence and symbolism that in turn refers the viewer to something else in biblical history and gives to the story more meaning.

No doubt, Jesus was crucified on one bar cross. However, Eastern Orthodox Crosses have three bars. The middle one is the actual cross. The top bar represents the inscription that Pontius Pilate nailed to the cross above the head of Jesus Christ and the bottom one is the footstool - rest for the feet to prolong agony of the one that was crucified. Nobody would survive crucifixion if there was no footrest as hands and feet would have been torn under the heaviness of the body. However, in orthodox iconography you will see the bottom bar is at the angle to the main post with the right side pointing up and left side pointing down.
Of course, actual footrest was not in this position; however, specifically this position reminds the viewer about the story of the thieves or robbers that were crucified on both sides of Jesus Christ.  The one on the right hand side was promised place in Paradise for acknowledgement of his wrong doings, his repentance   and humility. The one on the left hand side complained, mocked Jesus and ended up in the opposite place for the deeds that he had committed in his life.

The skull that viewers can see in iconography of the orthodox crucifixion symbolically represents the skull of Adam. Some believe (although this is not a dogma of the Orthodox Church, but rather a pious tradition) that Jesus was crucified on the same place where Adam was buried. Theologically, it does make sense because in the writings of St. Paul the Apostle Jesus is called second Adam. Just as through the first Adam we all become inheritors of the fallen human nature and therefore are subject to death, through the second Adam, Who is Jesus Christ, we become inheritors of the renewed, healed human nature and granted life eternal. So, this symbolism in iconography touches some theological aspects of Christianity, as well.

Imagine that someone illiterate or does not speak the language of the parish but who at least heard the story looked at the cross... he/she would be reminded of the entire story instantly!  

By the way, Orthodox Church does recognize one-bar cross, two-bar cross and three-bar cross. Historically, orthodox came to use the three-bar cross more often because of the symbolism and much fuller expression of our belief, or as a part of our Holy Tradition that makes emphasis on the entire account rather then on a story as a separate subject.

[desertknight]

Why don't you try and either not lie or get at least some semblence of education on the issue.

Um, wayne, are you unaware that the Eastern Orthodox churches are not the Catholic Church?   Not that I disagree with what they are doing in general, but you need to post these on the Orthodox Church forum.  You are in the Catholic forum and many of the pictures of "evidence" that you post are Orthodox church ones.

[desertknight]

Jeez, what am I saying.  The truth does not matter to this liar.

[wayne]

they adorn them and bare them on their backs. the icon isnt mary or jesus. its some saint who is considered a mystic. mystic is a term meaning, satan posessed

[desertknight]

...another lie.  The icon is a well known one of Jesus at the Last Supper.  It is also Orthodox, not Catholic.

[wayne]

...another lie.  The icon is a well known one of Jesus at the Last Supper.  It is also Orthodox, not Catholic.

the site where i got from says its mystic. but i does look like last supper. but, what the heck. its an image

[desertknight]

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[wayne]

Why don't you try and either not lie or get at least some semblence of education on the issue.

Um, wayne, are you unaware that the Eastern Orthodox churches are not the Catholic Church?   Not that I disagree with what they are doing in general, but you need to post these on the Orthodox Church forum.  You are in the Catholic forum and many of the pictures of "evidence" that you post are Orthodox church ones.

whats the diffafrance. hey, and how do you know so much about all this?

[desertknight]

Well, the difference wayne, is that you are posting your "evidence" against Catholics by using photos that are not Catholic!

How do I know so much about this?  Are you serious?  You are going around slandering the Christian faith of hundreds of millions of people and you don't even know the difference between the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox churches?

[wayne]

grace centered rule 1.3; dont slam a religion without proof. here are photos. the previous pics i posted with the all seeing illuminati eye are proof. all one has to do is search illuminati to find the satanic origins. i am attacking no individual in here. if someone feels bad its cause they are being convicted. stand by for more bad news

[desertknight]

Grace Centered Forum Rules:

1.2 You will not directly call another member or his or her religious organization a “cult”, “heretic,” “demonic” or “satanic” if it holds beliefs consistent with orthodox Christianity as set forth in Rule 6.

[wayne]

Well, the difference wayne, is that you are posting your "evidence" against Catholics by using photos that are not Catholic!

How do I know so much about this?  Are you serious?  You are going around slandering the Christian faith of hundreds of millions of people and you don't even know the difference between the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox churches?

i know the difference. the russian priests dont use deodorants