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Re: Praying to Popes
« Reply #210 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:26:54 »
Just because the number of Catholics is drastically increasing due to immigration doesn't mean that the number of Native Catholics is necessarily dwindling. That statistic demonstrates more than anything else the vast amount of Catholics who immigrate into our country, swelling the ranks of the Native-born Catholics. This statistic doesn't show the Catholic Church decreasing in any way, but rather increasing due to the massive amounts of hispanic immigration into the US. (you may be suprised to learn that I don't consider this to be altogether a good thing; our economy can't support them all.)

You haven't had time to read the article, the title of which is: 'US Catholics leaving the Church in droves: what can be done?'


I did read the entire article.  You left out this part which says:    These losses, however, have been partly offset by the number of people who have changed their affiliation to Catholicism (2.6% of the adult population) but more importantly by the disproportionately high number of Catholics among immigrants to the U.S. The result is that the overall percentage of the population that identifies as Catholic has remained fairly stable.

This is what you were blind to.  You also left out the part which says that the number of Protestants were DECREASING.  There was nothing to offset that decrease because the Protestant religion is too fragmented.

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« Reply #211 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:28:39 »
I just had to add it to my photobucket!...it is hilarious!... rofl



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« Reply #212 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:31:31 »

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And you think we should follow you when you don't even know what it is?

Follow Christ and His word, minus the man-made doctrine and tradition.

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Well, we know what it is.  There is a reason why God changed the name of a person.  Whatever God does and says is always important and there is a reason behind what He says and does.  Yet, it was not revealed to you what it is...so why should we follow you?

ROFLMBO! You don't know!!

You're one to talk. You're the one who thinks that Our Lord spoke in cryptic riddles while adressing the very future of Christianity! Satan the father of lies speaks in confusing riddles to cloud the truth, not Lord Jesus! If you want to talk about mistaken man-made doctrine, try that on for size.

Enough with your puerile nonsense. It is evident that you have nothing, because you resort to personal attacks.

You're running on empty. You know your religion is a house of cards...


Can this possibly be the same person who earlier said that Catholic prayers "go to the demons"? You also said, and I quote:
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It is offensive to God. Extra-biblical and UNbiblical beliefs occlude relationship with God.
So my faith is offensive to God? You've also said that we Catholics "are blind and need to wake up". You've got a heck of a lot of nerve, Lively Stone. And If hurling insults is an indication of "running on empty", then you've been running on empty since the discussion started!



Lively Stone calls herself a "Born-again" Christian...a new creature made in Christ.  If she is truely a new creature made in Christ....one has to wonder how is it that is like Christ?  Christ never persecuted anyone.  But Lively Stone is here to persecute Catholics.  She does not know how to have an intelligent discussion.    

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« Reply #213 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:31:51 »
Just because the number of Catholics is drastically increasing due to immigration doesn't mean that the number of Native Catholics is necessarily dwindling. That statistic demonstrates more than anything else the vast amount of Catholics who immigrate into our country, swelling the ranks of the Native-born Catholics. This statistic doesn't show the Catholic Church decreasing in any way, but rather increasing due to the massive amounts of hispanic immigration into the US. (you may be suprised to learn that I don't consider this to be altogether a good thing; our economy can't support them all.)

You haven't had time to read the article, the title of which is: 'US Catholics leaving the Church in droves: what can be done?'


I did read the entire article.  You left out this part which says:    These losses, however, have been partly offset by the number of people who have changed their affiliation to Catholicism (2.6% of the adult population) but more importantly by the disproportionately high number of Catholics among immigrants to the U.S. The result is that the overall percentage of the population that identifies as Catholic has remained fairly stable.

This is what you were blind to.  You also left out the part which says that the number of Protestants were DECREASING.  There was nothing to offset that decrease because the Protestant religion is too fragmented.
 ::amen!:: Well said! Our friend here is simply re-employing her well-worn tactic of accepting only the information, wether Bible verse or statistic, that suit her misguided opinions. And you can't call that a "puerile personal attack," lively stone---you did purposely leave out the statistic that didn't support your opinion.

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« Reply #214 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:35:47 »
HEY YOU TWO!...Enough with the insults!.....if you don't stop right now I will report you both to the mods!...

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« Reply #215 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:38:34 »
Insult?  I see that you've been adding pictures in your post just like Lively Stone. 

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« Reply #216 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:39:34 »
I would be glad to stop; I didn't start the mud-hurling anyway. 

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« Reply #217 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:40:13 »
Go back to the beginning of the thread and find out who threw the first insult.


No need to go back to the beginning of this thread, I have been following it from the start!

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« Reply #218 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:40:58 »
All one has to do is go back to the beginning of the post and see who threw the first insult. 

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« Reply #219 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:42:18 »
Go back to the beginning of the thread and find out who threw the first insult.


No need to go back to the beginning of this thread, I have been following it from the start!

Then you should have known that it was Lively Stone who have been insulting our Catholic faith and even posting insulting and teasing images in her post.  

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« Reply #220 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:42:33 »
Insult?  I see that you've been adding pictures in your post just like Lively Stone. 


The emoticon I added, I did just because I liked it and said that I added it to my photobucket...there was no other reason than that...

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« Reply #221 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:44:06 »
Insult?  I see that you've been adding pictures in your post just like Lively Stone. 


The emoticon I added, I did just because I liked it and said that I added it to my photobucket...there was no other reason than that...

Those emicons are added to what is being said in the post.  The emicons she has been posting are insulting and teasing emicons.

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« Reply #222 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:50:26 »
Ok...ok... ::frustrated::

So now the ones that have been insulting others please apologize and move forward to other things or lets get back to the topic of this thread without fighting anymore...no more playing like children!...I myself am back to lurking... ::prayinghard::

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« Reply #223 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:50:51 »

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And you think we should follow you when you don't even know what it is?


Follow Christ and His word, minus the man-made doctrine and tradition.

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Well, we know what it is.  There is a reason why God changed the name of a person.  Whatever God does and says is always important and there is a reason behind what He says and does.  Yet, it was not revealed to you what it is...so why should we follow you?


ROFLMBO! You don't know!!

You're one to talk. You're the one who thinks that Our Lord spoke in cryptic riddles while adressing the very future of Christianity! Satan the father of lies speaks in confusing riddles to cloud the truth, not Lord Jesus! If you want to talk about mistaken man-made doctrine, try that on for size.


Enough with your puerile nonsense. It is evident that you have nothing, because you resort to personal attacks.

You're running on empty. You know your religion is a house of cards...


Can this possibly be the same person who earlier said that Catholic prayers "go to the demons"? You also said, and I quote:
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It is offensive to God. Extra-biblical and UNbiblical beliefs occlude relationship with God.
So my faith is offensive to God? You've also said that we Catholics "are blind and need to wake up". You've got a heck of a lot of nerve, Lively Stone. And If hurling insults is an indication of "running on empty", then you've been running on empty since the discussion started!




You really need to take a course in reading comprehension. Am I writing to a bunch of elementary school kids?

Anyone who prays to God through anyone but Jesus Christ, i.e. Mary, or any other so-called saint, will have their prayers either go unanswered or usurped by Satan.

Yep, unbiblical beliefs will hinder your walk with God completely.

If you pray to saints, asking them to intercede or answer your prayers, or if you unapologetically hold to extra-biblical and unbiblical doctrines, then you are a walking blind man. Jesus wants to remove the scales from your eyes by the eye-opening power of the Holy Spirit who reveals all truth of every matter. Without the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life, he is without His wisdom and still needs many teachers to lead and correct him. Not that no one ever comes to the point where mentors and teachers aren't needed, but without the infilling of Holy Spirit in one's life, one can become easily entangled in erroneous thinking and religious teachings, created so meticulously by a clever anti-Christ spirit that appeals to the  human sentiment and intellect---dangerous.

As for running on empty? My cup overflows.

Psalm 23:5
You prepare a feast for me
      in the presence of my enemies.
   You honor me by anointing my head with oil.
      My cup overflows with blessings.

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« Reply #224 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 19:53:39 »

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And you think we should follow you when you don't even know what it is?


Follow Christ and His word, minus the man-made doctrine and tradition.

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Well, we know what it is.  There is a reason why God changed the name of a person.  Whatever God does and says is always important and there is a reason behind what He says and does.  Yet, it was not revealed to you what it is...so why should we follow you?


ROFLMBO! You don't know!!

You're one to talk. You're the one who thinks that Our Lord spoke in cryptic riddles while adressing the very future of Christianity! Satan the father of lies speaks in confusing riddles to cloud the truth, not Lord Jesus! If you want to talk about mistaken man-made doctrine, try that on for size.


Enough with your puerile nonsense. It is evident that you have nothing, because you resort to personal attacks.

You're running on empty. You know your religion is a house of cards...


Can this possibly be the same person who earlier said that Catholic prayers "go to the demons"? You also said, and I quote:
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It is offensive to God. Extra-biblical and UNbiblical beliefs occlude relationship with God.
So my faith is offensive to God? You've also said that we Catholics "are blind and need to wake up". You've got a heck of a lot of nerve, Lively Stone. And If hurling insults is an indication of "running on empty", then you've been running on empty since the discussion started!




Lively Stone calls herself a "Born-again" Christian...a new creature made in Christ.  If she is truely a new creature made in Christ....one has to wonder how is it that is like Christ?  Christ never persecuted anyone.  But Lively Stone is here to persecute Catholics.  She does not know how to have an intelligent discussion.    


Hilarious! Are you prepared to move to China, now?



Come on...there is no persecuting happening, but there is correction coming your way. It isn't welcome...we are aware of that.
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« Reply #225 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:00:45 »

You really need to take a course in reading comprehension. Am I writing to a bunch of elementary school kids?

Anyone who prays to God through anyone but Jesus Christ, i.e. Mary, or any other so-called saint, will have their prayers either go unanswered or usurped by Satan.

Yep, unbiblical beliefs will hinder your walk with God completely.

If you pray to saints, asking them to intercede or answer your prayers, or if you unapologetically hold to extra-biblical and unbiblical doctrines, then you are a walking blind man. Jesus wants to remove the scales from your eyes by the eye-opening power of the Holy Spirit who reveals all truth of every matter. Without the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life, he is without His wisdom and still needs many teachers to lead and correct him. Not that no one ever comes to the point where mentors and teachers aren't needed, but without the infilling of Holy Spirit in one's life, one can become easily entangled in erroneous thinking and religious teachings, created so meticulously by a clever anti-Christ spirit that appeals to the  human sentiment and intellect---dangerous.

As for running on empty? My cup overflows.

This is exactly what I mean.  This person is not interested in having a discussion.  She is more interested in persecuting Catholics.  That is all she is here for.   We're not interested in being converted.

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« Reply #226 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:03:41 »

You really need to take a course in reading comprehension. Am I writing to a bunch of elementary school kids?

Anyone who prays to God through anyone but Jesus Christ, i.e. Mary, or any other so-called saint, will have their prayers either go unanswered or usurped by Satan.

Yep, unbiblical beliefs will hinder your walk with God completely.

If you pray to saints, asking them to intercede or answer your prayers, or if you unapologetically hold to extra-biblical and unbiblical doctrines, then you are a walking blind man. Jesus wants to remove the scales from your eyes by the eye-opening power of the Holy Spirit who reveals all truth of every matter. Without the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life, he is without His wisdom and still needs many teachers to lead and correct him. Not that no one ever comes to the point where mentors and teachers aren't needed, but without the infilling of Holy Spirit in one's life, one can become easily entangled in erroneous thinking and religious teachings, created so meticulously by a clever anti-Christ spirit that appeals to the  human sentiment and intellect---dangerous.

As for running on empty? My cup overflows.

This is exactly what I mean.  This person is not interested in having a discussion.  She is more interested in persecuting Catholics.  That is all she is here for.   We're not interested in being converted.

I should hope you have already converted to Christ. I think it is presumptuous to think that you are being persecuted. Corrected is the word.

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« Reply #227 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:05:56 »

You really need to take a course in reading comprehension. Am I writing to a bunch of elementary school kids?

Anyone who prays to God through anyone but Jesus Christ, i.e. Mary, or any other so-called saint, will have their prayers either go unanswered or usurped by Satan.

Yep, unbiblical beliefs will hinder your walk with God completely.

If you pray to saints, asking them to intercede or answer your prayers, or if you unapologetically hold to extra-biblical and unbiblical doctrines, then you are a walking blind man. Jesus wants to remove the scales from your eyes by the eye-opening power of the Holy Spirit who reveals all truth of every matter. Without the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life, he is without His wisdom and still needs many teachers to lead and correct him. Not that no one ever comes to the point where mentors and teachers aren't needed, but without the infilling of Holy Spirit in one's life, one can become easily entangled in erroneous thinking and religious teachings, created so meticulously by a clever anti-Christ spirit that appeals to the  human sentiment and intellect---dangerous.

As for running on empty? My cup overflows.

This is exactly what I mean.  This person is not interested in having a discussion.  She is more interested in persecuting Catholics.  That is all she is here for.   We're not interested in being converted.




It's not a question of persecuting catholics Selene. Lively Stone has been telling you the truth from the very beginning but you don't want to open your heart to the Truth...

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« Reply #228 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:11:45 »

You really need to take a course in reading comprehension. Am I writing to a bunch of elementary school kids?

Anyone who prays to God through anyone but Jesus Christ, i.e. Mary, or any other so-called saint, will have their prayers either go unanswered or usurped by Satan.

Yep, unbiblical beliefs will hinder your walk with God completely.

If you pray to saints, asking them to intercede or answer your prayers, or if you unapologetically hold to extra-biblical and unbiblical doctrines, then you are a walking blind man. Jesus wants to remove the scales from your eyes by the eye-opening power of the Holy Spirit who reveals all truth of every matter. Without the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life, he is without His wisdom and still needs many teachers to lead and correct him. Not that no one ever comes to the point where mentors and teachers aren't needed, but without the infilling of Holy Spirit in one's life, one can become easily entangled in erroneous thinking and religious teachings, created so meticulously by a clever anti-Christ spirit that appeals to the  human sentiment and intellect---dangerous.

As for running on empty? My cup overflows.

This is exactly what I mean.  This person is not interested in having a discussion.  She is more interested in persecuting Catholics.  That is all she is here for.   We're not interested in being converted.




It's not a question of persecuting catholics Selene. Lively Stone has been telling you the truth from the very beginning but you don't want to open your heart to the Truth...

Hehealedme, we have already told her that we are not interested in HER kind of truth.  We do not want to convert to her religion.  We are not interested in it.  The Catholics here have already expressed that we are more interested in discussing the Catholic faith to those who have questions about it.  Because we have expressed this, and Lively Stone continues to harrass us....it now becomes persecution, NOT spreading the Gospel truth. 

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« Reply #229 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:15:03 »

You really need to take a course in reading comprehension. Am I writing to a bunch of elementary school kids?

Anyone who prays to God through anyone but Jesus Christ, i.e. Mary, or any other so-called saint, will have their prayers either go unanswered or usurped by Satan.

Yep, unbiblical beliefs will hinder your walk with God completely.

If you pray to saints, asking them to intercede or answer your prayers, or if you unapologetically hold to extra-biblical and unbiblical doctrines, then you are a walking blind man. Jesus wants to remove the scales from your eyes by the eye-opening power of the Holy Spirit who reveals all truth of every matter. Without the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life, he is without His wisdom and still needs many teachers to lead and correct him. Not that no one ever comes to the point where mentors and teachers aren't needed, but without the infilling of Holy Spirit in one's life, one can become easily entangled in erroneous thinking and religious teachings, created so meticulously by a clever anti-Christ spirit that appeals to the  human sentiment and intellect---dangerous.

As for running on empty? My cup overflows.

This is exactly what I mean.  This person is not interested in having a discussion.  She is more interested in persecuting Catholics.  That is all she is here for.   We're not interested in being converted.

I should hope you have already converted to Christ. I think it is presumptuous to think that you are being persecuted. Corrected is the word.

In the first place, we already believe in Christ....but that is not enough for you.  You want us to convert to YOUR way of thinking.

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« Reply #230 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:20:55 »
Just to be correct here: Here is the first insult thrown in this thread...directed at me, of course!

Praying to anyone but God through Jesus Christ is idolatry. Period. It reveals a problem with faith in the authority of the name and the Person of Jesus Christ.

Playing semantics with the word 'pray' is a smokescreen and a deliberate rationalization to present the practice as OK. It isn't.



You've already admitted that you ask others to pray for you.

Based on your definition, that's idolatry.

Stop being such a dolt.


Waaahhh! I'm being persecuted!


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« Reply #231 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:21:49 »
And as it were Christ specifically forbade the behavior of you and Lively Stone. Specifically.

He said if you encounter any who will accept your words shake the dust from your feet and move on.

Not stay on and continuously ram your falsehoods down our throats.

We don't care to hear your heresies. Its so annoying that I'm even loosing interest. You debate without substantiation and your points are supported by the most shallow reasoning that its just grown annoying to even try to converse with you. Because we are on a site dominated by protestants everyone else agrees with you and encourages.


All we want is for you to leave us alone. Your "truths" are falsehoods that are bit on next to no substantiation not even from Scripture.


You have derailed yet again another topic and honestly its just getting plain rude. 

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« Reply #232 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:25:57 »

You really need to take a course in reading comprehension. Am I writing to a bunch of elementary school kids?

Anyone who prays to God through anyone but Jesus Christ, i.e. Mary, or any other so-called saint, will have their prayers either go unanswered or usurped by Satan.

Yep, unbiblical beliefs will hinder your walk with God completely.

If you pray to saints, asking them to intercede or answer your prayers, or if you unapologetically hold to extra-biblical and unbiblical doctrines, then you are a walking blind man. Jesus wants to remove the scales from your eyes by the eye-opening power of the Holy Spirit who reveals all truth of every matter. Without the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life, he is without His wisdom and still needs many teachers to lead and correct him. Not that no one ever comes to the point where mentors and teachers aren't needed, but without the infilling of Holy Spirit in one's life, one can become easily entangled in erroneous thinking and religious teachings, created so meticulously by a clever anti-Christ spirit that appeals to the  human sentiment and intellect---dangerous.

As for running on empty? My cup overflows.

This is exactly what I mean.  This person is not interested in having a discussion.  She is more interested in persecuting Catholics.  That is all she is here for.   We're not interested in being converted.

I should hope you have already converted to Christ. I think it is presumptuous to think that you are being persecuted. Corrected is the word.

In the first place, we already believe in Christ....but that is not enough for you.  You want us to convert to YOUR way of thinking.

Wrong again. My way of thinking takes a back seat to the way God thinks.

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« Reply #233 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:27:33 »
Just to be correct here: Here is the first insult thrown in this thread...directed at me, of course!

Praying to anyone but God through Jesus Christ is idolatry. Period. It reveals a problem with faith in the authority of the name and the Person of Jesus Christ.

Playing semantics with the word 'pray' is a smokescreen and a deliberate rationalization to present the practice as OK. It isn't.



You've already admitted that you ask others to pray for you.

Based on your definition, that's idolatry.

Stop being such a dolt.


Waaahhh! I'm being persecuted!




You know what Lively Stone, the reason Chester called you a dolt was because you branded us "idol-worshippers."  Look back at what you just quoted.  Therefore, the FIRST one who threw the FIRST insult was YOU.

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« Reply #234 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:28:24 »

....... We are not interested in it.  The Catholics here have already expressed that we are more interested in discussing the Catholic faith.


And there you have it from the horses mouth.  I have not read all this thread, simply because I think the title "Praying to Popes" is blasphemy.  Don't even know who the OP is, just saw this title over and over listed on the main page.  It seems the woman and others are not interested in truth.  They are interested in the Catholic church, nothing more, no Jesus, no God.....just dead popes and saints. 

Why are the others wasting their time trying to get through to these people that do not have ears to hear?  You might as well get an empty box to think, your not going to get anywhere.  The best you can do is to pray for them, they need help......I'm jest say'in.

Close the box, move on.....help those that you are lead to help, nothing to see here....move along......

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« Reply #235 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:30:48 »
And as it were Christ specifically forbade the behavior of you and Lively Stone. Specifically.

He said if you encounter any who will accept your words shake the dust from your feet and move on.

Not stay on and continuously ram your falsehoods down our throats.

We don't care to hear your heresies. Its so annoying that I'm even loosing interest. You debate without substantiation and your points are supported by the most shallow reasoning that its just grown annoying to even try to converse with you. Because we are on a site dominated by protestants everyone else agrees with you and encourages.


All we want is for you to leave us alone. Your "truths" are falsehoods that are bit on next to no substantiation not even from Scripture.


You have derailed yet again another topic and honestly its just getting plain rude. 

Then go to a Catholic site.

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« Reply #236 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:37:36 »

....... We are not interested in it.  The Catholics here have already expressed that we are more interested in discussing the Catholic faith.


And there you have it from the horses mouth.  I have not read all this thread, simply because I think the title "Praying to Popes" is blasphemy.  Don't even know who the OP is, just saw this title over and over listed on the main page.  It seems the woman and others are not interested in truth.  They are interested in the Catholic church, nothing more, no Jesus, no God.....just dead popes and saints. 

Why are the others wasting their time trying to get through to these people that do not have ears to hear?  You might as well get an empty box to think, your not going to get anywhere.  The best you can do is to pray for them, they need help......I'm jest say'in.

Close the box, move on.....help those that you are lead to help, nothing to see here....move along......


Amen...however, it is always worth it to get these people to THINK about what truth they have overlooked and what truth they have never been taught. No one knows what thoughts roll over and over in their heads when they are alone---where God could easily jerk them with a bit of revelation, "Hey, it's ME. What she says is right, you know." Hopefully it starts them to seek out the truth, seeking in the word.

No one knows what could happen 5 years from now that will jog their memory--"Hmm! I remember that lug nut, Lively Stone said this or that....I think she was probably right!"

After that, it's always a decision time.


It's worth it all.

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Re: Praying to Popes
« Reply #237 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:40:24 »
And as it were Christ specifically forbade the behavior of you and Lively Stone. Specifically.

He said if you encounter any who will accept your words shake the dust from your feet and move on.

Not stay on and continuously ram your falsehoods down our throats.

We don't care to hear your heresies. Its so annoying that I'm even loosing interest. You debate without substantiation and your points are supported by the most shallow reasoning that its just grown annoying to even try to converse with you. Because we are on a site dominated by protestants everyone else agrees with you and encourages.


All we want is for you to leave us alone. Your "truths" are falsehoods that are bit on next to no substantiation not even from Scripture.


You have derailed yet again another topic and honestly its just getting plain rude. 

I agree.  When the Apostles went out to the Gentiles, they did not act this rude.  They did not persecute the Gentiles.  Catholics are Christians who believe in Jesus Christ all along.

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Re: Praying to Popes
« Reply #238 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:41:57 »
Just to be correct here: Here is the first insult thrown in this thread...directed at me, of course!

Praying to anyone but God through Jesus Christ is idolatry. Period. It reveals a problem with faith in the authority of the name and the Person of Jesus Christ.

Playing semantics with the word 'pray' is a smokescreen and a deliberate rationalization to present the practice as OK. It isn't.



You've already admitted that you ask others to pray for you.

Based on your definition, that's idolatry.

Stop being such a dolt.


Waaahhh! I'm being persecuted!




You know what Lively Stone, the reason Chester called you a dolt was because you branded us "idol-worshippers."  Look back at what you just quoted.  Therefore, the FIRST one who threw the FIRST insult was YOU.


Praying to ANYONE but JESUS is idolatry.

That is not worthy of name-calling, Missy. There is no excuse for it, and frankly, you need to put a sock in it, now.

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Re: Praying to Popes
« Reply #239 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:44:41 »
Or you could just agree to disagree and move on instead of calling us "idol worshipers" accusing us of worshiping men and falsifying our beliefs due to your own pathetic ignorance of our Faith?

How about that one?

Why is it so stinking hard for you to understand our differences realize the futility of this back and forth bickering and move on?!

Tell me why its so hard for you to grasp that simple concept of online discussion.

Mutual understanding is the entire point.

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« Reply #240 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:46:15 »
Just to be correct here: Here is the first insult thrown in this thread...directed at me, of course!

Praying to anyone but God through Jesus Christ is idolatry. Period. It reveals a problem with faith in the authority of the name and the Person of Jesus Christ.

Playing semantics with the word 'pray' is a smokescreen and a deliberate rationalization to present the practice as OK. It isn't.



You've already admitted that you ask others to pray for you.

Based on your definition, that's idolatry.

Stop being such a dolt.


Waaahhh! I'm being persecuted!




You know what Lively Stone, the reason Chester called you a dolt was because you branded us "idol-worshippers."  Look back at what you just quoted.  Therefore, the FIRST one who threw the FIRST insult was YOU.


Praying to ANYONE but JESUS is idolatry.

That is not worthy of name-calling, Missy. There is no excuse for it, and frankly, you need to put a sock in it, now.


Again, we are not interested in YOUR opinions.  Take the advice of Hehealedme.  I would never convert to YOUR religion.  Look at what YOUR religion turned you into.  I would never want to be the kind of person like you.  

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« Reply #241 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:51:19 »
Or you could just agree to disagree and move on instead of calling us "idol worshipers" accusing us of worshiping men and falsifying our beliefs due to your own pathetic ignorance of our Faith?

How about that one?

Why is it so stinking hard for you to understand our differences realize the futility of this back and forth bickering and move on?!

Tell me why its so hard for you to grasp that simple concept of online discussion.

Mutual understanding is the entire point.

I haven't called you idol worshipers. I have stated the simple truth according to what God's word teaches us all: we are to pray to God through our intercessor and Mediator, JESUS CHRIST, ONLY. You do worship human popes and dead humans as saints with some higher status than our own.

What is pathetic is the utter lack of Biblical knowledge and possession of spiritual truth among you who are Catholic. You seem to worship your faith rather than the true object of our faith, Jesus, and the Church, rather than the head of the Church, Jesus. Jesus is diminished.

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« Reply #242 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:53:05 »
Just to be correct here: Here is the first insult thrown in this thread...directed at me, of course!

Praying to anyone but God through Jesus Christ is idolatry. Period. It reveals a problem with faith in the authority of the name and the Person of Jesus Christ.

Playing semantics with the word 'pray' is a smokescreen and a deliberate rationalization to present the practice as OK. It isn't.



You've already admitted that you ask others to pray for you.

Based on your definition, that's idolatry.

Stop being such a dolt.


Waaahhh! I'm being persecuted!




You know what Lively Stone, the reason Chester called you a dolt was because you branded us "idol-worshippers."  Look back at what you just quoted.  Therefore, the FIRST one who threw the FIRST insult was YOU.


Praying to ANYONE but JESUS is idolatry.

That is not worthy of name-calling, Missy. There is no excuse for it, and frankly, you need to put a sock in it, now.


Again, we are not interested in YOUR opinions.  Take the advice of Hehealedme.  I would never convert to YOUR religion.  Look at what YOUR religion turned you into.  I would never want to be the kind of person like you.  


LOL! You don't know me. I haven't any religion. I have Jesus.

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« Reply #243 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 20:56:46 »


LOL! You don't know me. I haven't any religion. I have Jesus.

We have Jesus too, but obviously that is not enough for you.  Okay...fine....so, we're idol worshippers.  So, now you can move on and be happy, but I'm still staying as a Catholic.  SHEEZ!!!    ::sarcasm::

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Re: Praying to Popes
« Reply #244 on: Fri May 27, 2011 - 21:01:35 »
I bet if you just ignore her she'll go away. That's how we dealt with Josiah and it seemed to work.

 

     
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