Praying to Popes

[Selene]

Just to be correct here: Here is the first insult thrown in this thread...directed at me, of course!

Praying to anyone but God through Jesus Christ is idolatry. Period. It reveals a problem with faith in the authority of the name and the Person of Jesus Christ.

Playing semantics with the word 'pray' is a smokescreen and a deliberate rationalization to present the practice as OK. It isn't.

You've already admitted that you ask others to pray for you.

Based on your definition, that's idolatry.

Stop being such a dolt.

Waaahhh! I'm being persecuted!

You know what Lively Stone, the reason Chester called you a dolt was because you branded us "idol-worshippers."  Look back at what you just quoted.  Therefore, the FIRST one who threw the FIRST insult was YOU.

Praying to ANYONE but JESUS is idolatry.

That is not worthy of name-calling, Missy. There is no excuse for it, and frankly, you need to put a sock in it, now.

Again, we are not interested in YOUR opinions.  Take the advice of Hehealedme.  I would never convert to YOUR religion.  Look at what YOUR religion turned you into.  I would never want to be the kind of person like you.  

[Lively Stone]

Or you could just agree to disagree and move on instead of calling us "idol worshipers" accusing us of worshiping men and falsifying our beliefs due to your own pathetic ignorance of our Faith?

How about that one?

Why is it so stinking hard for you to understand our differences realize the futility of this back and forth bickering and move on?!

Tell me why its so hard for you to grasp that simple concept of online discussion.

Mutual understanding is the entire point.

I haven't called you idol worshipers. I have stated the simple truth according to what God's word teaches us all: we are to pray to God through our intercessor and Mediator, JESUS CHRIST, ONLY. You do worship human popes and dead humans as saints with some higher status than our own.

What is pathetic is the utter lack of Biblical knowledge and possession of spiritual truth among you who are Catholic. You seem to worship your faith rather than the true object of our faith, Jesus, and the Church, rather than the head of the Church, Jesus. Jesus is diminished.

[Lively Stone]

Just to be correct here: Here is the first insult thrown in this thread...directed at me, of course!

Praying to anyone but God through Jesus Christ is idolatry. Period. It reveals a problem with faith in the authority of the name and the Person of Jesus Christ.

Playing semantics with the word 'pray' is a smokescreen and a deliberate rationalization to present the practice as OK. It isn't.

You've already admitted that you ask others to pray for you.

Based on your definition, that's idolatry.

Stop being such a dolt.

Waaahhh! I'm being persecuted!

You know what Lively Stone, the reason Chester called you a dolt was because you branded us "idol-worshippers."  Look back at what you just quoted.  Therefore, the FIRST one who threw the FIRST insult was YOU.

Praying to ANYONE but JESUS is idolatry.

That is not worthy of name-calling, Missy. There is no excuse for it, and frankly, you need to put a sock in it, now.

Again, we are not interested in YOUR opinions.  Take the advice of Hehealedme.  I would never convert to YOUR religion.  Look at what YOUR religion turned you into.  I would never want to be the kind of person like you.  

LOL! You don't know me. I haven't any religion. I have Jesus.

[Selene]

LOL! You don't know me. I haven't any religion. I have Jesus.

We have Jesus too, but obviously that is not enough for you.  Okay...fine....so, we're idol worshippers.  So, now you can move on and be happy, but I'm still staying as a Catholic.  SHEEZ!!!   

[LightHammer]

I bet if you just ignore her she'll go away. That's how we dealt with Josiah and it seemed to work.

[Lively Stone]

LOL! You don't know me. I haven't any religion. I have Jesus.

We have Jesus too, but obviously that is not enough for you.  Okay...fine....so, we're idol worshippers.  So, now you can move on and be happy, but I'm still staying as a Catholic.  SHEEZ!!!    

Some of my best friends are Catholics. I love them and they love me.

[Selene]

I bet if you just ignore her she'll go away. That's how we dealt with Josiah and it seemed to work.

Excellent idea.   

[Swiss_Guard]

@Lively Stone: So, what you're essentially saying is that you can say what ever uncharitable, insulting thing you wish, and we should thank you for it because you're "correcting us"! Your telling us that we pray to demons and that our faith offends God is really for our own good! It's really rather incredible that the most unkind, uncharitable person on the thread considers herself to be a better Christian than the rest of us.

[Swiss_Guard]

LOL! You don't know me. I haven't any religion. I have Jesus.

We have Jesus too, but obviously that is not enough for you.  Okay...fine....so, we're idol worshippers.  So, now you can move on and be happy, but I'm still staying as a Catholic.  SHEEZ!!!   

Some of my best friends are Catholics. I love them and they love me.

You obviously haven't tried to convert them yet. But its only a matter of time....

[Lively Stone]

@Lively Stone: So, what you're essentially saying is that you can say what ever uncharitable, insulting thing you wish, and we should thank you for it because you're "correcting us"! Your telling us that we pray to demons and that our faith offends God is really for our own good! It's really rather incredible that the most unkind, uncharitable person on the thread considers herself to be a better Christian than the rest of us.

No, rather than your surly responses, I expect you to provide scriptural support for your extra-biblical beliefs, You can't do it, of course, and many simply post catechism or dead people's writings, and expect us to accept that.

Not gonna do it.

We expect proper argument.

If the truth hurts, so be it. That is what the words of someone who really loves will do.

Proverbs 27:6
Wounds from a sincere friend
      are better than many kisses from an enemy.

[Swiss_Guard]

@Lively Stone: So, what you're essentially saying is that you can say what ever uncharitable, insulting thing you wish, and we should thank you for it because you're "correcting us"! Your telling us that we pray to demons and that our faith offends God is really for our own good! It's really rather incredible that the most unkind, uncharitable person on the thread considers herself to be a better Christian than the rest of us.

No, rather than your surly responses, I expect you to provide scriptural support for your extra-biblical beliefs, You can't do it, of course, and many simply post catechism or dead people's writings, and expect us to accept that.

Not gonna do it.

We expect proper argument.

If the truth hurts, so be it. That is what the words of someone who really loves will do.

Proverbs 27:6
Wounds from a sincere friend
      are better than many kisses from an enemy.

YOU? Expect proper argument? You're joking, right? Trust me, you don't know the meaning of the phrase. Look back through my comments; you'll see that I provided Scriptural quotes several times. You just brushed them off because they didn't support your point.

[Wednesday]

YOU? Expect proper argument? You're joking, right?

Ya'll could always go back to talking about why homosexuality is a sin, or masturbation, something we all can agree on! 

[Lively Stone]

@Lively Stone: So, what you're essentially saying is that you can say what ever uncharitable, insulting thing you wish, and we should thank you for it because you're "correcting us"! Your telling us that we pray to demons and that our faith offends God is really for our own good! It's really rather incredible that the most unkind, uncharitable person on the thread considers herself to be a better Christian than the rest of us.

No, rather than your surly responses, I expect you to provide scriptural support for your extra-biblical beliefs, You can't do it, of course, and many simply post catechism or dead people's writings, and expect us to accept that.

Not gonna do it.

We expect proper argument.

If the truth hurts, so be it. That is what the words of someone who really loves will do.

Proverbs 27:6
Wounds from a sincere friend
      are better than many kisses from an enemy.

YOU? Expect proper argument? You're joking, right? Trust me, you don't know the meaning of the phrase. Look back through my comments; you'll see that I provided Scriptural quotes several times. You just brushed them off because they didn't support your point.

They don't support your point.

[Swiss_Guard]

@Lively Stone: So, what you're essentially saying is that you can say what ever uncharitable, insulting thing you wish, and we should thank you for it because you're "correcting us"! Your telling us that we pray to demons and that our faith offends God is really for our own good! It's really rather incredible that the most unkind, uncharitable person on the thread considers herself to be a better Christian than the rest of us.

No, rather than your surly responses, I expect you to provide scriptural support for your extra-biblical beliefs, You can't do it, of course, and many simply post catechism or dead people's writings, and expect us to accept that.

Not gonna do it.

We expect proper argument.

If the truth hurts, so be it. That is what the words of someone who really loves will do.

Proverbs 27:6
Wounds from a sincere friend
      are better than many kisses from an enemy.

YOU? Expect proper argument? You're joking, right? Trust me, you don't know the meaning of the phrase. Look back through my comments; you'll see that I provided Scriptural quotes several times. You just brushed them off because they didn't support your point.

They don't support your point.

@Lively Stone: So, what you're essentially saying is that you can say what ever uncharitable, insulting thing you wish, and we should thank you for it because you're "correcting us"! Your telling us that we pray to demons and that our faith offends God is really for our own good! It's really rather incredible that the most unkind, uncharitable person on the thread considers herself to be a better Christian than the rest of us.

No, rather than your surly responses, I expect you to provide scriptural support for your extra-biblical beliefs, You can't do it, of course, and many simply post catechism or dead people's writings, and expect us to accept that.

Not gonna do it.

We expect proper argument.

If the truth hurts, so be it. That is what the words of someone who really loves will do.

Proverbs 27:6
Wounds from a sincere friend
      are better than many kisses from an enemy.

YOU? Expect proper argument? You're joking, right? Trust me, you don't know the meaning of the phrase. Look back through my comments; you'll see that I provided Scriptural quotes several times. You just brushed them off because they didn't support your point.

They don't support your point.

Because you're misinterpreting them.

[Lively Stone]

@Lively Stone: So, what you're essentially saying is that you can say what ever uncharitable, insulting thing you wish, and we should thank you for it because you're "correcting us"! Your telling us that we pray to demons and that our faith offends God is really for our own good! It's really rather incredible that the most unkind, uncharitable person on the thread considers herself to be a better Christian than the rest of us.

No, rather than your surly responses, I expect you to provide scriptural support for your extra-biblical beliefs, You can't do it, of course, and many simply post catechism or dead people's writings, and expect us to accept that.

Not gonna do it.

We expect proper argument.

If the truth hurts, so be it. That is what the words of someone who really loves will do.

Proverbs 27:6
Wounds from a sincere friend
      are better than many kisses from an enemy.

YOU? Expect proper argument? You're joking, right? Trust me, you don't know the meaning of the phrase. Look back through my comments; you'll see that I provided Scriptural quotes several times. You just brushed them off because they didn't support your point.

They don't support your point.

@Lively Stone: So, what you're essentially saying is that you can say what ever uncharitable, insulting thing you wish, and we should thank you for it because you're "correcting us"! Your telling us that we pray to demons and that our faith offends God is really for our own good! It's really rather incredible that the most unkind, uncharitable person on the thread considers herself to be a better Christian than the rest of us.

No, rather than your surly responses, I expect you to provide scriptural support for your extra-biblical beliefs, You can't do it, of course, and many simply post catechism or dead people's writings, and expect us to accept that.

Not gonna do it.

We expect proper argument.

If the truth hurts, so be it. That is what the words of someone who really loves will do.

Proverbs 27:6
Wounds from a sincere friend
      are better than many kisses from an enemy.

YOU? Expect proper argument? You're joking, right? Trust me, you don't know the meaning of the phrase. Look back through my comments; you'll see that I provided Scriptural quotes several times. You just brushed them off because they didn't support your point.

They don't support your point.

Because you're misinterpreting them.

we are talking about the exact same scriptures here. You haven't offered any others as you claim.

There is a real disconnect in the Catholic interpretation, versus the interpretation that Holy Spirit gives His people who bother to ask Him what He means. Try it. He doesn't give conflicting interpretations.

Knowing Jesus in such a way that one KNOWS that He wouldn't ever give men headship of His Church when He is the HEAD and His children are all leaders where they serve Him, with no hierarchy, you have to conclude that Catholicism is merely interpreting to preserve its own self-interests.

Scripture is written to You, you know. It is up to you to discern its meaning---not your religious leaders---with the help of Holy Spirit, whom you invite to reveal truth.