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Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« on: May 28, 2011, 06:19:01 PM »
Would like to know what the Catholics today think about the prophecies given by "Mary" to Conchita Gonzalez (and the other 2 girls in 1961-65) in Garabandal, Spain.

Link is for an interview with Conchita:

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/conchita1.htm

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Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2011, 07:59:03 PM »
Would like to know what the Catholics today think about the prophecies given by "Mary" to Conchita Gonzalez (and the other 2 girls in 1961-65) in Garabandal, Spain.

Link is for an interview with Conchita:

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/conchita1.htm

Blessings





I am not familiar with these prophecies, but that is OK.  No Catholic is obligated to accept any private revelations.

 
The Church may rule that they conclude that an event is legitimate or that it is not legitimate, or the Church may not comment.  In either case a Catholic is not obligated to accept any private revelation.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2011, 08:24:52 PM »
Would like to know what the Catholics today think about the prophecies given by "Mary" to Conchita Gonzalez (and the other 2 girls in 1961-65) in Garabandal, Spain.

Link is for an interview with Conchita:

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/conchita1.htm

Blessings





I am not familiar with these prophecies, but that is OK.  No Catholic is obligated to accept any private revelations.

 
The Church may rule that they conclude that an event is legitimate or that it is not legitimate, or the Church may not comment.  In either case a Catholic is not obligated to accept any private revelation.


Thank you and I understand that.

I was wondering what individual Catholics thought about it.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2011, 09:10:40 PM »
Would like to know what the Catholics today think about the prophecies given by "Mary" to Conchita Gonzalez (and the other 2 girls in 1961-65) in Garabandal, Spain.

Link is for an interview with Conchita:

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/conchita1.htm

Blessings





I am not familiar with these prophecies, but that is OK.  No Catholic is obligated to accept any private revelations.

 
The Church may rule that they conclude that an event is legitimate or that it is not legitimate, or the Church may not comment.  In either case a Catholic is not obligated to accept any private revelation.


Thank you and I understand that.

I was wondering what individual Catholics thought about it.

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I've never heard of it. 

I will say that Fatima seems to have been a legitimate miracle.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2011, 09:41:34 PM »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2011, 09:51:02 PM »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

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All of these things are biblical, but as I said, I'm not familiar with Garabandal.

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus.  God may permit her to appear as part of his grace.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2011, 09:54:13 PM »
Would like to know what the Catholics today think about the prophecies given by "Mary" to Conchita Gonzalez (and the other 2 girls in 1961-65) in Garabandal, Spain.

Link is for an interview with Conchita:

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/conchita1.htm

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This is a new one for me.  I've heard about Fatima, but not this one. 

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2011, 09:54:51 PM »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

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1. Is this not Biblical?

2. Again how is this not Biblical? The life of the Faithful is an act of reparation in and of itsel is it not?

3. Self-sacrifice for the sinners would fall into the category of evangelism trying to spread the Gospel to those who have yet to hear it. Self-sacrifice for priest would be like taking up extra services in the Church. Did not the Catholic Church make sacrifices on both ends in their service to God in Scripture?

4. The Rosary is a very useful prayer for some but not all Catholics use the rosary. An unordained minister provided me witha email full of different prayers to use if the Rosary was not my particular style.


If the Church has not ruled on the matter than its up in the air for me. However if this is all the person got from their visions then I don't see how it was meant to be deceptive if it was from demons and not God.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2011, 09:59:26 PM »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

Blessings

All of these things are biblical, but as I said, I'm not familiar with Garabandal.

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus.  God may permit her to appear as part of his grace.

They are?  Would you show me where they are found in God's Word?  Please and thank you.

Mary, a dead person, wants to lead us to Jesus?  Uhmmm, I have problems with that one.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2011, 10:01:41 PM »
Here we go.



In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

Blessings

All of these things are biblical, but as I said, I'm not familiar with Garabandal.

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus.  God may permit her to appear as part of his grace.

They are?  Would you show me where they are found in God's Word?  Please and thank you.

Mary, a dead person, wants to lead us to Jesus?  Uhmmm, I have problems with that one.

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How is that Mary, a saint of the Most High God of the Living, is dead?

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2011, 10:09:33 PM »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

Blessings

1. Is this not Biblical?

2. Again how is this not Biblical? The life of the Faithful is an act of reparation in and of itsel is it not?

3. Self-sacrifice for the sinners would fall into the category of evangelism trying to spread the Gospel to those who have yet to hear it. Self-sacrifice for priest would be like taking up extra services in the Church. Did not the Catholic Church make sacrifices on both ends in their service to God in Scripture?

4. The Rosary is a very useful prayer for some but not all Catholics use the rosary. An unordained minister provided me witha email full of different prayers to use if the Rosary was not my particular style.


If the Church has not ruled on the matter than its up in the air for me. However if this is all the person got from their visions then I don't see how it was meant to be deceptive if it was from demons and not God.

Where is Jesus, who died for our sins, in all of this.  God's Word says that those who are led by the spirit of God are the sons of God.

You don't have power over your own mind to think for yourself; but need the "church" to tell you if something is true or right or wrong or false?  I'm surprised at you LH.

No, it is not all they got, I was just trying to find things they had in common, apart from any prophecies.  As I was more interested in the actual apparitions and if people believed they were actually Mary. (and Michael)

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2011, 10:15:16 PM »
Here we go.



In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

Blessings

All of these things are biblical, but as I said, I'm not familiar with Garabandal.

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus.  God may permit her to appear as part of his grace.

They are?  Would you show me where they are found in God's Word?  Please and thank you.

Mary, a dead person, wants to lead us to Jesus?  Uhmmm, I have problems with that one.

Blessings



How is that Mary, a saint of the Most High God of the Living, is dead?

She was a human being and she died.  Jesus did not exalt His earthly mother and I don't believe we should either.

Neither do I believe that God sends "dead" people as apparitions with messages from Him.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2011, 10:16:33 PM »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

Blessings

All of these things are biblical, but as I said, I'm not familiar with Garabandal.

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus.  God may permit her to appear as part of his grace.

They are?  Would you show me where they are found in God's Word?  Please and thank you.

Mary, a dead person, wants to lead us to Jesus?  Uhmmm, I have problems with that one.

Blessings




Romans 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Col 1:24
Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

2 Timothy 1:8 So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God,


Matt 5
23“Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.

The Rosary is a prayer of the gospel, so it is completely biblical.

Mary is not dead.


John 11:26
and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

John 8:51 I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2011, 10:28:08 PM »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

Blessings

All of these things are biblical, but as I said, I'm not familiar with Garabandal.

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus.  God may permit her to appear as part of his grace.

They are?  Would you show me where they are found in God's Word?  Please and thank you.

Mary, a dead person, wants to lead us to Jesus?  Uhmmm, I have problems with that one.

Blessings




Romans 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Col 1:24
Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

2 Timothy 1:8 So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God,


Matt 5
23“Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.

The Rosary is a prayer of the gospel, so it is completely biblical.

Mary is not dead.


John 11:26
and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"


Jesus died for our sins.  There is nothing we can do to pay for our own sins.
Jesus sacrificed His life, for our sinful one.
Rosary is a reciting of a prayer, counting beads and saying "Hail Mary's."  Prayer is in actuality a conversing with God.

We could/should make reparation, if possible, if we stole from someone or something along those lines.

Blessisngs


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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2011, 10:32:49 PM »

Jesus died for our sins.  There is nothing we can do to pay for our own sins.
Jesus sacrificed His life, for our sinful one.
Rosary is a reciting of a prayer, counting beads and saying "Hail Mary's."  Prayer is in actuality a conversing with God.

We could/should make reparation, if possible, if we stole from someone or something along those lines.

Blessisngs



I agree that Jesus sacrificed his life for our sins.  Paul said that our suffering is a necessary pary of our redemption.


You don't seem to agree with Paul on this.  I don't know what else to say given the scriptures I posted.