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Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 19:19:01 »
Would like to know what the Catholics today think about the prophecies given by "Mary" to Conchita Gonzalez (and the other 2 girls in 1961-65) in Garabandal, Spain.

Link is for an interview with Conchita:

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/conchita1.htm

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #1 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 20:59:03 »
Would like to know what the Catholics today think about the prophecies given by "Mary" to Conchita Gonzalez (and the other 2 girls in 1961-65) in Garabandal, Spain.

Link is for an interview with Conchita:

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/conchita1.htm

Blessings





I am not familiar with these prophecies, but that is OK.  No Catholic is obligated to accept any private revelations.

 
The Church may rule that they conclude that an event is legitimate or that it is not legitimate, or the Church may not comment.  In either case a Catholic is not obligated to accept any private revelation.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #2 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 21:24:52 »
Would like to know what the Catholics today think about the prophecies given by "Mary" to Conchita Gonzalez (and the other 2 girls in 1961-65) in Garabandal, Spain.

Link is for an interview with Conchita:

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/conchita1.htm

Blessings





I am not familiar with these prophecies, but that is OK.  No Catholic is obligated to accept any private revelations.

 
The Church may rule that they conclude that an event is legitimate or that it is not legitimate, or the Church may not comment.  In either case a Catholic is not obligated to accept any private revelation.


Thank you and I understand that.

I was wondering what individual Catholics thought about it.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #3 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 22:10:40 »
Would like to know what the Catholics today think about the prophecies given by "Mary" to Conchita Gonzalez (and the other 2 girls in 1961-65) in Garabandal, Spain.

Link is for an interview with Conchita:

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/conchita1.htm

Blessings





I am not familiar with these prophecies, but that is OK.  No Catholic is obligated to accept any private revelations.

 
The Church may rule that they conclude that an event is legitimate or that it is not legitimate, or the Church may not comment.  In either case a Catholic is not obligated to accept any private revelation.


Thank you and I understand that.

I was wondering what individual Catholics thought about it.

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I've never heard of it. 

I will say that Fatima seems to have been a legitimate miracle.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #4 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 22:41:34 »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

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« Reply #5 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 22:51:02 »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

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All of these things are biblical, but as I said, I'm not familiar with Garabandal.

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus.  God may permit her to appear as part of his grace.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #6 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 22:54:13 »
Would like to know what the Catholics today think about the prophecies given by "Mary" to Conchita Gonzalez (and the other 2 girls in 1961-65) in Garabandal, Spain.

Link is for an interview with Conchita:

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/conchita1.htm

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This is a new one for me.  I've heard about Fatima, but not this one. 

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #7 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 22:54:51 »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

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1. Is this not Biblical?

2. Again how is this not Biblical? The life of the Faithful is an act of reparation in and of itsel is it not?

3. Self-sacrifice for the sinners would fall into the category of evangelism trying to spread the Gospel to those who have yet to hear it. Self-sacrifice for priest would be like taking up extra services in the Church. Did not the Catholic Church make sacrifices on both ends in their service to God in Scripture?

4. The Rosary is a very useful prayer for some but not all Catholics use the rosary. An unordained minister provided me witha email full of different prayers to use if the Rosary was not my particular style.


If the Church has not ruled on the matter than its up in the air for me. However if this is all the person got from their visions then I don't see how it was meant to be deceptive if it was from demons and not God.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #8 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 22:59:26 »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

Blessings

All of these things are biblical, but as I said, I'm not familiar with Garabandal.

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus.  God may permit her to appear as part of his grace.

They are?  Would you show me where they are found in God's Word?  Please and thank you.

Mary, a dead person, wants to lead us to Jesus?  Uhmmm, I have problems with that one.

Blessings


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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #9 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 23:01:41 »
Here we go.



In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

Blessings

All of these things are biblical, but as I said, I'm not familiar with Garabandal.

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus.  God may permit her to appear as part of his grace.

They are?  Would you show me where they are found in God's Word?  Please and thank you.

Mary, a dead person, wants to lead us to Jesus?  Uhmmm, I have problems with that one.

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How is that Mary, a saint of the Most High God of the Living, is dead?

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #10 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 23:09:33 »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

Blessings

1. Is this not Biblical?

2. Again how is this not Biblical? The life of the Faithful is an act of reparation in and of itsel is it not?

3. Self-sacrifice for the sinners would fall into the category of evangelism trying to spread the Gospel to those who have yet to hear it. Self-sacrifice for priest would be like taking up extra services in the Church. Did not the Catholic Church make sacrifices on both ends in their service to God in Scripture?

4. The Rosary is a very useful prayer for some but not all Catholics use the rosary. An unordained minister provided me witha email full of different prayers to use if the Rosary was not my particular style.


If the Church has not ruled on the matter than its up in the air for me. However if this is all the person got from their visions then I don't see how it was meant to be deceptive if it was from demons and not God.

Where is Jesus, who died for our sins, in all of this.  God's Word says that those who are led by the spirit of God are the sons of God.

You don't have power over your own mind to think for yourself; but need the "church" to tell you if something is true or right or wrong or false?  I'm surprised at you LH.

No, it is not all they got, I was just trying to find things they had in common, apart from any prophecies.  As I was more interested in the actual apparitions and if people believed they were actually Mary. (and Michael)

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #11 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 23:15:16 »
Here we go.



In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

Blessings

All of these things are biblical, but as I said, I'm not familiar with Garabandal.

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus.  God may permit her to appear as part of his grace.

They are?  Would you show me where they are found in God's Word?  Please and thank you.

Mary, a dead person, wants to lead us to Jesus?  Uhmmm, I have problems with that one.

Blessings



How is that Mary, a saint of the Most High God of the Living, is dead?

She was a human being and she died.  Jesus did not exalt His earthly mother and I don't believe we should either.

Neither do I believe that God sends "dead" people as apparitions with messages from Him.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #12 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 23:16:33 »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

Blessings

All of these things are biblical, but as I said, I'm not familiar with Garabandal.

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus.  God may permit her to appear as part of his grace.

They are?  Would you show me where they are found in God's Word?  Please and thank you.

Mary, a dead person, wants to lead us to Jesus?  Uhmmm, I have problems with that one.

Blessings




Romans 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Col 1:24
Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

2 Timothy 1:8 So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God,


Matt 5
23“Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.

The Rosary is a prayer of the gospel, so it is completely biblical.

Mary is not dead.


John 11:26
and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

John 8:51 I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #13 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 23:28:08 »
In some respects, the same things happened.

They all saw apparitions of Mary. (Garabandal also saw the angel Michael)

Aside from said prophecies, do you believe they actually saw Mary and she spoke to them?

Among other things said, both (Fatima/Garabandal) were told:

1. do penance
2. acts of reparation
3. make sacrifices for sinners/priests
4. pray rosary everyday

These are things of the Catholic Church, but are not Biblical.  Why do you think that "Mary" would say these particular things?

Blessings

All of these things are biblical, but as I said, I'm not familiar with Garabandal.

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus.  God may permit her to appear as part of his grace.

They are?  Would you show me where they are found in God's Word?  Please and thank you.

Mary, a dead person, wants to lead us to Jesus?  Uhmmm, I have problems with that one.

Blessings




Romans 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Col 1:24
Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

2 Timothy 1:8 So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God,


Matt 5
23“Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.

The Rosary is a prayer of the gospel, so it is completely biblical.

Mary is not dead.


John 11:26
and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"


Jesus died for our sins.  There is nothing we can do to pay for our own sins.
Jesus sacrificed His life, for our sinful one.
Rosary is a reciting of a prayer, counting beads and saying "Hail Mary's."  Prayer is in actuality a conversing with God.

We could/should make reparation, if possible, if we stole from someone or something along those lines.

Blessisngs


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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #14 on: Sat May 28, 2011 - 23:32:49 »

Jesus died for our sins.  There is nothing we can do to pay for our own sins.
Jesus sacrificed His life, for our sinful one.
Rosary is a reciting of a prayer, counting beads and saying "Hail Mary's."  Prayer is in actuality a conversing with God.

We could/should make reparation, if possible, if we stole from someone or something along those lines.

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I agree that Jesus sacrificed his life for our sins.  Paul said that our suffering is a necessary pary of our redemption.


You don't seem to agree with Paul on this.  I don't know what else to say given the scriptures I posted.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #15 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 00:05:57 »

Deu 18

9.  "....thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10  There shall not be found among you any one that....

11  Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12  For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord


From Strong's for:  familiar spirits

1) water skin bottle
2) necromancer
b) necromancer, one who evokes the dead
c) ghost, spirit of a dead one
d) practice of necromancy
3) one that has a familiar spirit

Seeing exactly what God's Word says about this, why would anyone actually believe that God would send an apparition of a dead person to give us a "message."

When He specifically forbids it.  And says it's an abomination to Him.

Does God contradict Himself?

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #16 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 00:23:23 »
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Where is Jesus, who died for our sins, in all of this.  God's Word says that those who are led by the spirit of God are the sons of God.


You didn't put anything about Jesus in the listing.

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You don't have power over your own mind to think for yourself; but need the "church" to tell you if something is true or right or wrong or false?  I'm surprised at you LH.

Don't be surprised. I don't know whether this is true or false. Its that simple. You don't either although I'm sure you have an opinion. I think its more than likely fake but I can't say one way or the other.


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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #17 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 00:32:05 »

Deu 18

9.  "....thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10  There shall not be found among you any one that....

11  Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12  For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord


From Strong's for:  familiar spirits

1) water skin bottle
2) necromancer
b) necromancer, one who evokes the dead
c) ghost, spirit of a dead one
d) practice of necromancy
3) one that has a familiar spirit

Seeing exactly what God's Word says about this, why would anyone actually believe that God would send an apparition of a dead person to give us a "message."

When He specifically forbids it.  And says it's an abomination to Him.

Does God contradict Himself?

Blessings

In the Transfiguration, Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah.  Was He speaking to dead spirits?

Matthew 17:3   And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #18 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 00:33:00 »
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Where is Jesus, who died for our sins, in all of this.  God's Word says that those who are led by the spirit of God are the sons of God.


You didn't put anything about Jesus in the listing.

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You don't have power over your own mind to think for yourself; but need the "church" to tell you if something is true or right or wrong or false?  I'm surprised at you LH.

Don't be surprised. I don't know whether this is true or false. Its that simple. You don't either although I'm sure you have an opinion. I think its more than likely fake but I can't say one way or the other.



Of course I know.  God's Word gives us the answer. 

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #19 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 00:43:29 »

Deu 18

9.  "....thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10  There shall not be found among you any one that....

11  Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12  For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord


From Strong's for:  familiar spirits

1) water skin bottle
2) necromancer
b) necromancer, one who evokes the dead
c) ghost, spirit of a dead one
d) practice of necromancy
3) one that has a familiar spirit

Seeing exactly what God's Word says about this, why would anyone actually believe that God would send an apparition of a dead person to give us a "message."

When He specifically forbids it.  And says it's an abomination to Him.

Does God contradict Himself?

Blessings

In the Transfiguration, Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah.  Was He speaking to dead spirits?

Matthew 17:3   And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him.

God does not contradict Himself. 

Moses and Elias did not speak with/to the disciples, did not give them any messages from God.

Blessings

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #20 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 00:48:53 »

Deu 18

9.  "....thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10  There shall not be found among you any one that....

11  Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12  For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord


From Strong's for:  familiar spirits

1) water skin bottle
2) necromancer
b) necromancer, one who evokes the dead
c) ghost, spirit of a dead one
d) practice of necromancy
3) one that has a familiar spirit

Seeing exactly what God's Word says about this, why would anyone actually believe that God would send an apparition of a dead person to give us a "message."

When He specifically forbids it.  And says it's an abomination to Him.

Does God contradict Himself?

Blessings

In the Transfiguration, Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah.  Was He speaking to dead spirits?

Matthew 17:3   And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him.

God does not contradict Himself.  

Moses and Elias did not speak with/to the disciples, did not give them any messages from God.

Blessings

Jesus is 100% man and 100% God.  As a man, He spoke to Moses and Elijah.  And Christ is the role model we follow.    

The angels and spirits in Heaven are not dead because all who believe in God are alive.  The spirits of the dead are those in the underworld.  They are demons.  This is what we call Necromancy.....the summoning forth of dead spirits or demons.   That is what is forbidden.  

In the Transfiguration, Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah.  He was not speaking to the spirits of the dead because Moses and Elijah are not demons nor dead spirits.  Throughout the Bible, you can even see Abraham speaking to the angels.  The Angels in Heaven are not demons from the underworld nor are they dead spirits.  Angels are live spirits from Heaven just like Mary is alive in Heaven because she believed in God and her Son Jesus Christ.   And all who believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ are alive with Him in His kingdom.
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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #21 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 01:31:07 »

Deu 18

9.  "....thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10  There shall not be found among you any one that....

11  Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12  For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord


From Strong's for:  familiar spirits

1) water skin bottle
2) necromancer
b) necromancer, one who evokes the dead
c) ghost, spirit of a dead one
d) practice of necromancy
3) one that has a familiar spirit

Seeing exactly what God's Word says about this, why would anyone actually believe that God would send an apparition of a dead person to give us a "message."

When He specifically forbids it.  And says it's an abomination to Him.

Does God contradict Himself?

Blessings

In the Transfiguration, Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah.  Was He speaking to dead spirits?

Matthew 17:3   And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him.

God does not contradict Himself. 

Moses and Elias did not speak with/to the disciples, did not give them any messages from God.

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That is not an answer it is an imposition of an answer based off of your personal interpretation of the quoted verses.

I could just as easily impose my own baseless idea that Elijah and Moses didn't spek to the Apostles because they were solely and only to bear witness to the Transfiguration by repesenting the Law and the Prophets of the Old Covenant being fuilfilled by the coming of the Messiah entering in His Glory.

I could just as easily assert that they did not speak because this ceremony was not meant for them speak just as Jacob wrestling with a silent angel or Ezekial beholding the four living creatures but not conversing with them.

It is not an answer at all.

Second Elijah and Moses aren't dead spirits, as Scripture attests they are living conciously in the presence of God, not resting in the dirt.


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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #22 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 02:19:24 »
Would like to know what the Catholics today think about the prophecies given by "Mary" to Conchita Gonzalez (and the other 2 girls in 1961-65) in Garabandal, Spain.

Link is for an interview with Conchita:

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/conchita1.htm

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I am not surprised that in the entire recorded interview, Jesus was never mentioned by the girl or, importantly, this so-called 'Mary'.

And this:
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Conchita: Yes. The words of the Virgin are: "We have to do much penance and make many sacrifices. We have to visit the Blessed Sacrament often. Above all, we must be very good.


Is not from God. It isn't even an anointed utterance.

This child, along with other children, priests and now millions of people was duped by a clever devil, possibly a ruler over that particular geographical territory.

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« Reply #23 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 03:48:02 »
As I said in my previous post: 

Jesus is 100% man and 100% God.  As a man, He spoke to Moses and Elijah.  And Christ is the role model we follow.   

The angels and spirits in Heaven are not dead because all who believe in God are alive.  The spirits of the dead are those in the underworld.  They are demons.  This is what we call Necromancy.....the summoning forth of dead spirits or demons.   That is what is forbidden. 

In the Transfiguration, Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah.  He was not speaking to the spirits of the dead because Moses and Elijah are not demons nor dead spirits.  Throughout the Bible, you can even see Abraham speaking to the angels.  The Angels in Heaven are not demons from the underworld nor are they dead spirits.  Angels are live spirits from Heaven just like Mary is alive in Heaven because she believed in God and her Son Jesus Christ.   And all who believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ are alive with Him in His kingdom.

Furthermore, St. John wrote that we must always test the spirits. 

1 John 4:1   Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Here is proof in scripture indicating that there will be spirits sent by God, but we are to test them to be certain that they are actually spirits that came from God or not.  The spirits in Heaven are certainly not dead spirits.   

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« Reply #24 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 07:33:05 »

Deu 18

9.  "....thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10  There shall not be found among you any one that....

11  Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12  For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord


From Strong's for:  familiar spirits

1) water skin bottle
2) necromancer
b) necromancer, one who evokes the dead
c) ghost, spirit of a dead one
d) practice of necromancy
3) one that has a familiar spirit

Seeing exactly what God's Word says about this, why would anyone actually believe that God would send an apparition of a dead person to give us a "message."

When He specifically forbids it.  And says it's an abomination to Him.

Does God contradict Himself?

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Mary is not dead, nor were Elijah and Moses when they appeared with Jesus.

He is the God of the living, not the dead.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #25 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 10:11:32 »
Would like to know what the Catholics today think about the prophecies given by "Mary" to Conchita Gonzalez (and the other 2 girls in 1961-65) in Garabandal, Spain.

Link is for an interview with Conchita:

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/conchita1.htm

Blessings




I am not surprised that in the entire recorded interview, Jesus was never mentioned by the girl or, importantly, this so-called 'Mary'.

And this:
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Conchita: Yes. The words of the Virgin are: "We have to do much penance and make many sacrifices. We have to visit the Blessed Sacrament often. Above all, we must be very good.


Is not from God. It isn't even an anointed utterance.

This child, along with other children, priests and now millions of people was duped by a clever devil, possibly a ruler over that particular geographical territory.


I agree with you LS.

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« Reply #26 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 10:24:39 »
As I said in my previous post: 

Jesus is 100% man and 100% God.  As a man, He spoke to Moses and Elijah.  And Christ is the role model we follow.   

The angels and spirits in Heaven are not dead because all who believe in God are alive.  The spirits of the dead are those in the underworld.  They are demons.  This is what we call Necromancy.....the summoning forth of dead spirits or demons.   That is what is forbidden. 

In the Transfiguration, Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah.  He was not speaking to the spirits of the dead because Moses and Elijah are not demons nor dead spirits.  Throughout the Bible, you can even see Abraham speaking to the angels.  The Angels in Heaven are not demons from the underworld nor are they dead spirits.  Angels are live spirits from Heaven just like Mary is alive in Heaven because she believed in God and her Son Jesus Christ.   And all who believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ are alive with Him in His kingdom.

Furthermore, St. John wrote that we must always test the spirits. 

1 John 4:1   Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Here is proof in scripture indicating that there will be spirits sent by God, but we are to test them to be certain that they are actually spirits that came from God or not.  The spirits in Heaven are certainly not dead spirits.   

If a person (a human being) had an earthly life and then died, he/she is dead.  Their spirits are alive, whether in hell or heaven.

Angels and the spirits of the deceased are not the same thing and cannot be equated.  People who have died, their spirits do not become angels or fallen angels or demons when they go to hell. 

People who have died do not return to earth to give messages from God. 

Demons, fallen angels can and do impersonate dead people, or people who are alive for that matter.

When Jesus spoke to Moses and Elias at His transfiguration, He had already died an earthly death.

Moses and Elias never spoke to any of the disciples and they most certainly did not give them any messages from God to give to living people.

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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #27 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 12:33:35 »
Christ is definitely our living example. EVERYTHING Christ did was an example of how we should. True we don't have the power to do every miracle and action Christ did but NOTHING Christ did while on this Earth is inappropriate for us to do.

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« Reply #28 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 13:16:37 »
Would like to know what the Catholics today think about the prophecies given by "Mary" to Conchita Gonzalez (and the other 2 girls in 1961-65) in Garabandal, Spain.

Link is for an interview with Conchita:

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/conchita1.htm

Blessings




I am not surprised that in the entire recorded interview, Jesus was never mentioned by the girl or, importantly, this so-called 'Mary'.

And this:
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Conchita: Yes. The words of the Virgin are: "We have to do much penance and make many sacrifices. We have to visit the Blessed Sacrament often. Above all, we must be very good.


Is not from God. It isn't even an anointed utterance.

This child, along with other children, priests and now millions of people was duped by a clever devil, possibly a ruler over that particular geographical territory.


I agree with you LS.

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Thank you, Joyfullee---I knew that you would.  ::kissing::

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« Reply #29 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 13:21:08 »
As I said in my previous post: 

Jesus is 100% man and 100% God.  As a man, He spoke to Moses and Elijah.  And Christ is the role model we follow.   

The angels and spirits in Heaven are not dead because all who believe in God are alive.  The spirits of the dead are those in the underworld.  They are demons.  This is what we call Necromancy.....the summoning forth of dead spirits or demons.   That is what is forbidden. 

In the Transfiguration, Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah.  He was not speaking to the spirits of the dead because Moses and Elijah are not demons nor dead spirits.  Throughout the Bible, you can even see Abraham speaking to the angels.  The Angels in Heaven are not demons from the underworld nor are they dead spirits.  Angels are live spirits from Heaven just like Mary is alive in Heaven because she believed in God and her Son Jesus Christ.   And all who believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ are alive with Him in His kingdom.

Furthermore, St. John wrote that we must always test the spirits. 

1 John 4:1   Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Here is proof in scripture indicating that there will be spirits sent by God, but we are to test them to be certain that they are actually spirits that came from God or not.  The spirits in Heaven are certainly not dead spirits.   

If a person (a human being) had an earthly life and then died, he/she is dead.  Their spirits are alive, whether in hell or heaven.

Angels and the spirits of the deceased are not the same thing and cannot be equated.  People who have died, their spirits do not become angels or fallen angels or demons when they go to hell. 

People who have died do not return to earth to give messages from God. 

Demons, fallen angels can and do impersonate dead people, or people who are alive for that matter.

When Jesus spoke to Moses and Elias at His transfiguration, He had already died an earthly death.

Moses and Elias never spoke to any of the disciples and they most certainly did not give them any messages from God to give to living people.

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Apart from one thing---Jesus had not yet endured the cross when He experienced the transfiguration----what you say is excellent.

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« Reply #30 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 14:19:08 »
This is yet another deception which many will fall for, just like they have many many times before. We need to keep our eyes on Jesus and not believe these evil so called 'visitations' telling us to do things that arent even Biblically right. It just amazes me and saddens me at how terribly gullible these people are who believe such things.

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« Reply #31 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 14:40:25 »
What's a "Conchita"?  Sounds like something you order at Taco Bell  ???

(I really don't know what one of those are)

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« Reply #32 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 14:52:11 »
If a person (a human being) had an earthly life and then died, he/she is dead.  Their spirits are alive, whether in hell or heaven.

The spirits that are in hell are not considered "alive."  They are considered "dead" spirits.  Only those in Heaven are considered alive.  Jesus said, "that those who believe in Him will have eternal life."  

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Angels and the spirits of the deceased are not the same thing and cannot be equated.  People who have died, their spirits do not become angels or fallen angels or demons when they go to hell.  


Matthew 22:30   For in the resurrection they shall neither marry nor be married; but shall be as the angels of God in heaven.

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People who have died do not return to earth to give messages from God.  


Scripture states that we must test the spirits to see if they are from God or not.  Why would St. John say this if there are no spirits who came from God?  

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Demons, fallen angels can and do impersonate dead people, or people who are alive for that matter.

So, the demons and fallen angels have more power than the heavenly angels and spirits in Heaven that they are able to come back to earth, and those in Heaven can't?  

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When Jesus spoke to Moses and Elias at His transfiguration, He had already died an earthly death.

Jesus was still alive in human form when He spoke to Moses and Elijah.  He had not been crucified yet.  

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Moses and Elias never spoke to any of the disciples and they most certainly did not give them any messages from God to give to living people.

The disciples were able to see Moses and Elijah.  You are correct that they did not speak to the disciples, and that is understandable because Christ was with them.  If you were there, I'm sure that even you would prefer to speak to Christ rather than the disciples too.  
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Re: Prophecies of Conchita in Garabandal
« Reply #33 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 14:52:54 »
What's a "Conchita"?  Sounds like something you order at Taco Bell  ???

(I really don't know what one of those are)

 ::smile::  Conchita is a girl's name...Conchita Gonzalez is one of the 4 girls who saw the apparitions of Mary and the angel Michael in Garabandal, Spain in 1961 and a few years thereafter.

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« Reply #34 on: Sun May 29, 2011 - 14:58:09 »
This is yet another deception which many will fall for, just like they have many many times before. We need to keep our eyes on Jesus and not believe these evil so called 'visitations' telling us to do things that arent even Biblically right. It just amazes me and saddens me at how terribly gullible these people are who believe such things.


Right chosenone.

If they would read and study their Bible's with the help of the Holy Spirit and seek with their whole heart to know God's truth, with a love for God's truth, then they would not be deceived by the deceptions of Satan.

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