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Re: There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
« Reply #35 on: Tue Nov 10, 2015 - 18:56:40 »


In order to serve as clergy, they have to be "willingly celibate."  That led to their outlet for young boys.

And yes, doctrine of demons.
An interesting side note-
About four years ago, I took a Human Sexuality course in college, which was taught by a Christian instructor, who also had his own practice as a therapist for sexual abuse victims, sexual dysfunction, etc. So he told us (and provided the stats to back it up) that when men are isolated and not given access to women for sex, they often (but not always) turn to other men for sex. When the men are put back in an environment where they have access to women, they stop having sex with other men and turn back to women for sex. They also don't think of themselves as homosexuals, or bi-sexual. This happens in situations such as prison, military, and other situations where men don't have access to women.
So this makes me wonder about priests/clergy who turn to little boys instead of women, when it's obvious they could have access to women in their churches. There's something more brewing here....
They are what's called derelicts and they don't think of themselves as derelicts but they are truly just that.

A man or a woman that runs about the place as such with all other people like a dog is a derelict as well, but they may not be homosexual, but they are derelicts as well.

A true Christian does not have anything to do with such people, as such are an anathema.

Such people have demons controlling there life's and they will not admit it but also claim nothing is wrong with what they did or do.

Such is the new age world under the yoke of Satan's power of influence and sadly the new age church's that support such have another jesus.

The Bible points out that you are with Jesus or you are not, you can't have it both ways and support the work of Satan as well. 

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Re: PROTESTANT PASTORS CHARGED WITH SEX CRIMES
« Reply #36 on: Tue Nov 10, 2015 - 20:14:46 »
I think they chose the alter boys rather than women, because priest are more readily accepted as being seen with the boys alone or in charge of them.  A woman would make demands on the relationship once it began. Where as young innocent boys don't understand an the pain, humiliation and isolation causes them to be silent on such matters. 

Children are a better prey than a woman would be. She could say no... as an adult, she probably already has a voice.  But, dominating children is easier for the Man in authority over them.

I think the non marriage, celibate agreement between the man and the church for the priesthood is the door in which the demon enters the situation.  The secrecy is as strong as the vow of celibacy.  The one gives the illusion of the other, and is the fuel that demons use to keep the whole debauchery going. These men are reprobates. 

Yes, we know it happens in other places, vocations and even churches.  But, none on the scale to which it has happened, been condoned, over looked, covered up, and excused in the Catholic priest hood.  Anyone heard of Sister Jane?  She tried for years to get someone in the Church to do something and they shamed her and shunned her and finally, took her habit from her.

And then...  it finally came out.  But, it could have been stopped and brought to the light a long time before had...  Bishop Ratzinger not dismissed her when she went to him.  Oh... and he went on to be "The Pope". 
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Re: There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
« Reply #37 on: Tue Nov 10, 2015 - 20:29:15 »
Trying to deflect attention from your own problems now?  Most of these Protestant abusers are married, are they not?
There are promiscuous sexual behavior in all churches, but The RCC has a serious problem within their priesthood, that is known worldwide concerning their priest molesting young innocent boys, who were trusted to them by their parents, whom the young boys most likely looked up to as well. Children are so innocent of the sexual world we know, and they are without clue, until they experienced it from a evil monster, who they thought were little gods so to speak.   

It is tied to the doctrine of demons of forbidding marriage.

1st century, Gnostic heresy, marriage is evil.  That's what the Bible is referring to. 

Men in the Catholic faith are not forbidden to marry.  Some men take a vow willingly to be celibate for Christ.  That is altogether different.

Moreover, if these men decide to leave the priesthood, they are often granted permission from the Church to be married.  In short if these men wanted to be married, all they have to do is give up their ministry and the Church will free them from their vow of celibacy. 

It is ignorant to think that this is the doctrine of demons, that this is "forbidding marriage".  By no means.

In order to serve as clergy, they have to be "willingly celibate."  That led to their outlet for young boys.

And yes, doctrine of demons.

No, it's rejectionists like you who have the doctrine of demons. To disregard true Christian teachings of the Church on this earth and it's history from the beginning  and looking to men for your newfound "truth" is nothing less than an  abomination. You wouldn't recognize Jesus Christ if he showed up at your front door.

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Re: There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
« Reply #38 on: Tue Nov 10, 2015 - 20:38:22 »
Trying to deflect attention from your own problems now?  Most of these Protestant abusers are married, are they not?
There are promiscuous sexual behavior in all churches, but The RCC has a serious problem within their priesthood, that is known worldwide concerning their priest molesting young innocent boys, who were trusted to them by their parents, whom the young boys most likely looked up to as well. Children are so innocent of the sexual world we know, and they are without clue, until they experienced it from a evil monster, who they thought were little gods so to speak.   

It is tied to the doctrine of demons of forbidding marriage.

1st century, Gnostic heresy, marriage is evil.  That's what the Bible is referring to. 

Men in the Catholic faith are not forbidden to marry.  Some men take a vow willingly to be celibate for Christ.  That is altogether different.

Moreover, if these men decide to leave the priesthood, they are often granted permission from the Church to be married.  In short if these men wanted to be married, all they have to do is give up their ministry and the Church will free them from their vow of celibacy. 

It is ignorant to think that this is the doctrine of demons, that this is "forbidding marriage".  By no means.

In order to serve as clergy, they have to be "willingly celibate."  That led to their outlet for young boys.

And yes, doctrine of demons.

No, it's rejectionists like you who have the doctrine of demons. To disregard true Christian teachings of the Church on this earth and it's history from the beginning  and looking to men for your newfound "truth" is nothing less than an  abomination. You wouldn't recognize Jesus Christ if he showed up at your front door.

Jesus didn't return to earth to found an organization built on Pharisee like outward religiosity and syncretism.

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Re: There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
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Re: PROTESTANT PASTORS CHARGED WITH SEX CRIMES
« Reply #39 on: Tue Nov 10, 2015 - 20:47:25 »
Things get pretty heated in the Catholic Forum. Kind of like a free-for-all. I get in trouble for being half this snarky in the other forums.

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Re: PROTESTANT PASTORS CHARGED WITH SEX CRIMES
« Reply #40 on: Tue Nov 10, 2015 - 22:23:21 »
That is because this is a debate forum... the other forums are not.  When in a debate forum.. debates happen. And as you can see they get snarky. 


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« Reply #41 on: Tue Nov 10, 2015 - 22:25:42 »
That is because this is a debate forum... the other forums are not.  When in a debate forum.. debates happen. And as you can see they get snarky.

Ahhh, ok, thanks Kensington. I didn't realize that, but knew there was a different vibe here.

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Re: PROTESTANT PASTORS CHARGED WITH SEX CRIMES
« Reply #42 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 02:08:26 »
That is because this is a debate forum... the other forums are not.  When in a debate forum.. debates happen. And as you can see they get snarky.

Ahhh, ok, thanks Kensington. I didn't realize that, but knew there was a different vibe here.

The vibe stems from gross anti-Catholic bigotry from a few misguided Protestants .

Just read through the threads on this so-called "Catholic forum" .

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Re: PROTESTANT PASTORS CHARGED WITH SEX CRIMES
« Reply #43 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 02:54:15 »
That is because this is a debate forum... the other forums are not.  When in a debate forum.. debates happen. And as you can see they get snarky.

Ahhh, ok, thanks Kensington. I didn't realize that, but knew there was a different vibe here.

The vibe stems from gross anti-Catholic bigotry from a few misguided Protestants .

Just read through the threads on this so-called "Catholic forum" .

Not bigotry, but enlightenment.

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Re: PROTESTANT PASTORS CHARGED WITH SEX CRIMES
« Reply #44 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 02:57:38 »
We all know that there is child abuse in all walks of society, including doctors, police men, judges, lawyers, and pastors, but the disobedience of the RC church by banning their leaders from marrying had led to attracting many who are both gay and phedophiles. Hence the enormous numbers of little boys especially who were terribly abused for many years, and if they did tell anyone they were often not believed because of the way that RCatholics hold their priests up as almost infallible. The terrible mass cover up was equally as appalling. Yes married man can still abuse children but its not nearly as common.
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Re: There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
« Reply #45 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 04:49:45 »
There is a serious problem in the Protestant world that is not being dealt with. 
As I have said many times~I'm NOT a Protestant in the true sense of that word~Christians have NEVER protested the first truth~the faithful have held to the truth from Abel on. I refuse to allow RCC/EOC to label me as a Protestant. Regardless who others may consider another group a Protestant, the word of God will expose who are the Protestants, and who are the faithful in Jesus Christ. You folks have done a good job of convincing this world that all outside of Catholicism are Protestant, but you failed among the true followers of Jesus Christ, who love him and keep his commandments. Bottom line~the word of the Living God will show who are Protestants and who are the few faithful left in this world~and they do not walk around in long robes! But you will find them sweeping floors, building houses, fishermen, making tents, digging ditches, hauling trash, etc. etc.
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There was also a serious problem in the Catholic world that was already dealt with in the US and is being dealt with similarly in other countries.
Past tense? Hardly! So, sir, you think that it JUST STOPS with filthy lucre? I will say this, based upon my age, I have been around for while and have seen zero molesting of young children in the churches I have been associated with and knew, zero, God being my witness. Yes, many adulterous affairs, but none with small children~I lie not, God Almighty being my witness. I said that to say this: Molesting children is against nature, and is a working of evil spirits, not so with a man or  a woman lusting after each other, it comes naturally, it is part of who we are, and the way we were created~Now, DO NOT misunderstand me, it is STILL a wicked sin that shall be punished, but the point I'm making is this: desiring the opposite sex is natural, and we must work to mortify its desires within us, but to lust after children, especially the same sex, it IS evil spirits working within those people, and filthy lucre will not drive these spirits away.
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The point of my response, however, is that the sexual abuse has nothing to do with the fact that they are celibate.
Sir, you are wrong. These Pedophiles look for vocations where it puts them in proximity of their desire haven to preform their evil deeds.  What better place to be! In a place where you have freedom and trust that could over time hide much of ones evil practices of sin!  Say what you want to, but facts are FACTS.
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There are lots of unmarried men out there.  That doesn't mean that, because these men are unmarried, they have a tendency to molest boys.  The two are not related.
Of course this is true, but one does not stay unmarried generally, without good reasons, and still it would be very rare~God created us to reproduce, not to live a life without enjoying sex~I personally could not imagine a life without it, but that the way I'm made and both myself and my wife are thankful for it, it's indeed wonderful, to be enjoyed in the manner in which he designed it to be enjoyed.         
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Re: PROTESTANT PASTORS CHARGED WITH SEX CRIMES
« Reply #46 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 05:51:42 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]

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Re: PROTESTANT PASTORS CHARGED WITH SEX CRIMES
« Reply #47 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 06:50:45 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]

This thread is supposed to be about the evil and depraved Protestant pastors who force their sick and demented selves onto innocent women and children in a sexual way. So why are you bringing up the Catholic side of things in this thread? Let's stay on the topic at hand which is the vile and repulsive actions of non-orthodox Christians.
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« Reply #48 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 07:14:58 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]

This thread is supposed to be about the evil and depraved Protestant pastors who force their sick and demented selves onto innocent women and children in a sexual way. So why are you bringing up the Catholic side of things in this thread? Let's stay on the topic at hand which is the vile and repulsive actions of non-orthodox Christians.
  The only reason for this thread is to try and take the heat off the RC church and all of its evil and rampant sexual sins.I have been to Protestant churches for most of my 59 years and have not heard of one single case of child abuse by a vicar/pastor. I am sure there are the occasional ones,as there are in all walks of life, but its rare.

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« Reply #49 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 07:41:07 »
I merged all of these threads into one, there is no need to create duplicate threads to point fingers at other denominations.


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Re: PROTESTANT PASTORS CHARGED WITH SEX CRIMES
« Reply #50 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 09:08:42 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]

This thread is supposed to be about the evil and depraved Protestant pastors who force their sick and demented selves onto innocent women and children in a sexual way. So why are you bringing up the Catholic side of things in this thread? Let's stay on the topic at hand which is the vile and repulsive actions of non-orthodox Christians.

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« Reply #51 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 10:41:26 »
That is because this is a debate forum... the other forums are not.  When in a debate forum.. debates happen. And as you can see they get snarky.


Ahhh, ok, thanks Kensington. I didn't realize that, but knew there was a different vibe here.


The vibe stems from gross anti-Catholic bigotry from a few misguided Protestants .

Just read through the threads on this so-called "Catholic forum" .


Not bigotry, but enlightenment.


In your case there is little enlightenment .
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I prefer to take note of an unbigoted Protestant who has been abused by a Protestant preacher and says : " I am a survivor of 10 years of sexual abuse at the hands of my preacher father. I have now become an advocate for victims of abuse. For years I have been saying that when the full scope of the abuse within the evangelical church comes to light, the Catholics will pale in comparison. I have talked to thousands of abuse victims and it would shock you how many are preacher’s kids, missionary kids and kids who have grown up in evangelical homes. The problem with tracking these numbers is because the evangelicals don’t have the hierarchical system that the Catholics do. Abuse victims can’t take it “up the chain of commend” because so many of these churches have no accountability. I seriously warn evangelicals about gloating over the Catholic scandals because our day is coming and it ain’t going to be pretty when we see what has been swept under the rug for decades. God is cleaning his church and this is a day that I have long prayed for. May every pedophile and predator preacher be exposed and may our churches become safe havens for the brokenhearted. "

http://www.religionnews.com/2013/09/26/billy-grahams-grandson-evangelicals-worse-catholic-church-sex-abuse/
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Re: PROTESTANT PASTORS CHARGED WITH SEX CRIMES
« Reply #52 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 13:03:02 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]

This thread is supposed to be about the evil and depraved Protestant pastors who force their sick and demented selves onto innocent women and children in a sexual way. So why are you bringing up the Catholic side of things in this thread? Let's stay on the topic at hand which is the vile and repulsive actions of non-orthodox Christians.
  The only reason for this thread is to try and take the heat off the RC church and all of its evil and rampant sexual sins.I have been to Protestant churches for most of my 59 years and have not heard of one single case of child abuse by a vicar/pastor. I am sure there are the occasional ones,as there are in all walks of life, but its rare.

What heat? The Church has admitted that some of it's clergy have greatly sinned in this area, as do Paulus and myself. The problem now lies with YOUR refusal to acknowledge that what the non-orthodox Christian community does in this area.

And I have been to Catholic Church's all my life (also 59 years) and in the several parishes I have been a member of  such a thing HAS NEVER HAPPENED.  But hey, I understand the Catholic Church is Christendom's great whipping boy, not only from the secular world but from other Christian denominations.

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Re: PROTESTANT PASTORS CHARGED WITH SEX CRIMES
« Reply #53 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 13:10:25 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]

This thread is supposed to be about the evil and depraved Protestant pastors who force their sick and demented selves onto innocent women and children in a sexual way. So why are you bringing up the Catholic side of things in this thread? Let's stay on the topic at hand which is the vile and repulsive actions of non-orthodox Christians.

Non Orthodox = RCC

You need to read up on what orthodoxy really means, especially when it comes to the Christian faith. You are the one who has rejected the teachings of the one  Universal Christian Church which was here from the beginning. Even when the great schism occurred between East and West, our Eastern brethren did not reject the orthodox teachings of such things as the sacraments, the communion of saints, and the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist. You have strayed from orthodoxy, not us.

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« Reply #54 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 13:22:22 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]

This thread is supposed to be about the evil and depraved Protestant pastors who force their sick and demented selves onto innocent women and children in a sexual way. So why are you bringing up the Catholic side of things in this thread? Let's stay on the topic at hand which is the vile and repulsive actions of non-orthodox Christians.

Non Orthodox = RCC

You need to read up on what orthodoxy really means, especially when it comes to the Christian faith. You are the one who has rejected the teachings of the one  Universal Christian Church which was here from the beginning. Even when the great schism occurred between East and West, our Eastern brethren did not reject the orthodox teachings of such things as the sacraments, the communion of saints, and the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist. You have strayed from orthodoxy, not us.

We would be in union with the church had it not turned from the truth in apostasy. It was the RCC that strayed. Nothing they do in worship aligns with the Word of God. Don't blame us for jumping ship!

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Re: PROTESTANT PASTORS CHARGED WITH SEX CRIMES
« Reply #55 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 13:25:15 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]

This thread is supposed to be about the evil and depraved Protestant pastors who force their sick and demented selves onto innocent women and children in a sexual way. So why are you bringing up the Catholic side of things in this thread? Let's stay on the topic at hand which is the vile and repulsive actions of non-orthodox Christians.

Non Orthodox = RCC

You need to read up on what orthodoxy really means, especially when it comes to the Christian faith. You are the one who has rejected the teachings of the one  Universal Christian Church which was here from the beginning. Even when the great schism occurred between East and West, our Eastern brethren did not reject the orthodox teachings of such things as the sacraments, the communion of saints, and the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist. You have strayed from orthodoxy, not us.
 

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Re: PROTESTANT PASTORS CHARGED WITH SEX CRIMES
« Reply #56 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 14:33:03 »
The vibe stems from gross anti-Catholic bigotry from a few misguided Protestants .

Just read through the threads on this so-called "Catholic forum" .

How you can actually sit here and pretend as though only protestants get snarky in here is beyond me.  That is some serious denial you have going on there.  Yes, by all means... just read through the threads on this forum.  Catholics get just as down and dirty and snarky as anyone else as they propagate the lies of the Catholic Church upon humanity.  If protestants didn't stand up to such things, declaring God's truth according to the Word,  many more would be deceived than already are.   ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #57 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 15:08:01 »
How you can actually sit here and pretend as though only protestants get snarky in here is beyond me.  That is some serious denial you have going on there.  Yes, by all means... just read through the threads on this forum.  Catholics get just as down and dirty and snarky as anyone else

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« Reply #58 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 15:09:07 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]


This thread is supposed to be about the evil and depraved Protestant pastors who force their sick and demented selves onto innocent women and children in a sexual way. So why are you bringing up the Catholic side of things in this thread? Let's stay on the topic at hand which is the vile and repulsive actions of non-orthodox Christians.
  I have been to Protestant churches for most of my 59 years and have not heard of one single case of child abuse by a vicar/pastor.


What a sheltered life you must live .

The Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury would strongly deny your state of denial .

The Archbishop of Canterbury has told how he broke down in tears at learning of the horror of child abuse within the Church of England.
The Most Rev Justin Welby said the details of sexual abuse dating back decades are “beyond description – terrible” and that he had been profoundly moved by the “shredding effect” of survivors’ experiences........http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11190890/Justin-Welby-I-broke-down-in-tears-at-horror-of-Church-child-abuse.html

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« Reply #59 on: Wed Nov 11, 2015 - 16:01:11 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]


This thread is supposed to be about the evil and depraved Protestant pastors who force their sick and demented selves onto innocent women and children in a sexual way. So why are you bringing up the Catholic side of things in this thread? Let's stay on the topic at hand which is the vile and repulsive actions of non-orthodox Christians.
  I have been to Protestant churches for most of my 59 years and have not heard of one single case of child abuse by a vicar/pastor.


What a sheltered life you must live .

The Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury would strongly deny your state of denial .

The Archbishop of Canterbury has told how he broke down in tears at learning of the horror of child abuse within the Church of England.
The Most Rev Justin Welby said the details of sexual abuse dating back decades are “beyond description – terrible” and that he had been profoundly moved by the “shredding effect” of survivors’ experiences........http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11190890/Justin-Welby-I-broke-down-in-tears-at-horror-of-Church-child-abuse.html


Thats quite funny because my life has been anything but sheltered. Plus I have met many many who have been abused, just not by clergy.
AS I have said there is child abuse in all walks of society, churches also, but there is no large scale abuse of children by protestant clergy.

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« Reply #60 on: Thu Nov 12, 2015 - 08:03:38 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]

This thread is supposed to be about the evil and depraved Protestant pastors who force their sick and demented selves onto innocent women and children in a sexual way. So why are you bringing up the Catholic side of things in this thread? Let's stay on the topic at hand which is the vile and repulsive actions of non-orthodox Christians.

Non Orthodox = RCC

You need to read up on what orthodoxy really means, especially when it comes to the Christian faith. You are the one who has rejected the teachings of the one  Universal Christian Church which was here from the beginning. Even when the great schism occurred between East and West, our Eastern brethren did not reject the orthodox teachings of such things as the sacraments, the communion of saints, and the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist. You have strayed from orthodoxy, not us.

We would be in union with the church had it not turned from the truth in apostasy. It was the RCC that strayed. Nothing they do in worship aligns with the Word of God. Don't blame us for jumping ship!

Are trying to tell me is that God would allow an a lie to go on for almost 1500 years and longer until you folks came along with the real truth?  Yeah right. All these other non-orthodox sects came about in the 1500's, 1800's, 1900's, etc. with more coming on line every year.

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« Reply #61 on: Thu Nov 12, 2015 - 09:30:09 »

Are trying to tell me is that God would allow an a lie to go on for almost 1500 years and longer until you folks came along with the real truth?  Yeah right. All these other non-orthodox sects came about in the 1500's, 1800's, 1900's, etc. with more coming on line every year.


What is the allowable timeline for living and teaching a lie? Do you think God will step in and correct any proposed followers of Him or does He allow us to make attempts to seek His fullness? I can think of several that could stand to be corrected, but they continue to preach, quite possibly in their own understanding but nevertheless still active.


It's nice to believe that your particular denomination has the backing of God due to the centuries it has survived, but as I've said before, "could it be that you've just been wrong longer?"

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« Reply #62 on: Thu Nov 12, 2015 - 09:33:55 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]

This thread is supposed to be about the evil and depraved Protestant pastors who force their sick and demented selves onto innocent women and children in a sexual way. So why are you bringing up the Catholic side of things in this thread? Let's stay on the topic at hand which is the vile and repulsive actions of non-orthodox Christians.

Non Orthodox = RCC

You need to read up on what orthodoxy really means, especially when it comes to the Christian faith. You are the one who has rejected the teachings of the one  Universal Christian Church which was here from the beginning. Even when the great schism occurred between East and West, our Eastern brethren did not reject the orthodox teachings of such things as the sacraments, the communion of saints, and the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist. You have strayed from orthodoxy, not us.

We would be in union with the church had it not turned from the truth in apostasy. It was the RCC that strayed. Nothing they do in worship aligns with the Word of God. Don't blame us for jumping ship!

Are trying to tell me is that God would allow an a lie to go on for almost 1500 years and longer until you folks came along with the real truth?  Yeah right. All these other non-orthodox sects came about in the 1500's, 1800's, 1900's, etc. with more coming on line every year.
 

In my experience God is never in a hurry. 

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« Reply #63 on: Thu Nov 12, 2015 - 10:17:47 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]

This thread is supposed to be about the evil and depraved Protestant pastors who force their sick and demented selves onto innocent women and children in a sexual way. So why are you bringing up the Catholic side of things in this thread? Let's stay on the topic at hand which is the vile and repulsive actions of non-orthodox Christians.

Non Orthodox = RCC

You need to read up on what orthodoxy really means, especially when it comes to the Christian faith. You are the one who has rejected the teachings of the one  Universal Christian Church which was here from the beginning. Even when the great schism occurred between East and West, our Eastern brethren did not reject the orthodox teachings of such things as the sacraments, the communion of saints, and the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist. You have strayed from orthodoxy, not us.

We would be in union with the church had it not turned from the truth in apostasy. It was the RCC that strayed. Nothing they do in worship aligns with the Word of God. Don't blame us for jumping ship!

Are trying to tell me is that God would allow an a lie to go on for almost 1500 years and longer until you folks came along with the real truth?  Yeah right. All these other non-orthodox sects came about in the 1500's, 1800's, 1900's, etc. with more coming on line every year.

Apparently He did.  What! Am I saying God allowed evil?  Yes not that God is evil but men.  He allowed a hungry for power religious order sabotage His church yet when they could no longer contain their lie the truth was then preserved in published written word

He not only allowed this but He allowed sin to rein for 6000 years and running
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« Reply #64 on: Thu Nov 12, 2015 - 22:28:10 »
This is also shocking.

 “According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]

This thread is supposed to be about the evil and depraved Protestant pastors who force their sick and demented selves onto innocent women and children in a sexual way. So why are you bringing up the Catholic side of things in this thread? Let's stay on the topic at hand which is the vile and repulsive actions of non-orthodox Christians.

Non Orthodox = RCC

You need to read up on what orthodoxy really means, especially when it comes to the Christian faith. You are the one who has rejected the teachings of the one  Universal Christian Church which was here from the beginning. Even when the great schism occurred between East and West, our Eastern brethren did not reject the orthodox teachings of such things as the sacraments, the communion of saints, and the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist. You have strayed from orthodoxy, not us.

We would be in union with the church had it not turned from the truth in apostasy. It was the RCC that strayed. Nothing they do in worship aligns with the Word of God. Don't blame us for jumping ship!

Are trying to tell me is that God would allow an a lie to go on for almost 1500 years and longer until you folks came along with the real truth?  Yeah right. All these other non-orthodox sects came about in the 1500's, 1800's, 1900's, etc. with more coming on line every year.

Apparently He did.  What! Am I saying God allowed evil?  Yes not that God is evil but men.  He allowed a hungry for power religious order sabotage His church yet when they could no longer contain their lie the truth was then preserved in published written word

He not only allowed this but He allowed sin to rein for 6000 years and running

God would allow no evil when it comes to the salvation of souls. Do you even realize what you are saying here - that the millions upon millions who have followed orthodoxy throughout the centuries were led into the bottomless pit of hell? I say no way!  No, God would never allow such a lie to exist especially in the form of the Church which He established upon this earth.

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« Reply #65 on: Thu Nov 12, 2015 - 22:43:37 »

Are trying to tell me is that God would allow an a lie to go on for almost 1500 years and longer until you folks came along with the real truth?  Yeah right. All these other non-orthodox sects came about in the 1500's, 1800's, 1900's, etc. with more coming on line every year.


What is the allowable timeline for living and teaching a lie? Do you think God will step in and correct any proposed followers of Him or does He allow us to make attempts to seek His fullness? I can think of several that could stand to be corrected, but they continue to preach, quite possibly in their own understanding but nevertheless still active.


It's nice to believe that your particular denomination has the backing of God due to the centuries it has survived, but as I've said before, "could it be that you've just been wrong longer?"

When it comes to the salvation of souls the timeline for error is zero. While some in the Church may be evil, the message is not and God would never allow such a lie to be perpetrated on so many for so long. There was the beginning, with but one Church that has now devolved into many with different doctrines and biblical interpretations. And no, we have "not been wrong longer", but see the teachings of orthodoxy as the right way to worship and come to know God.

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« Reply #66 on: Fri Nov 13, 2015 - 03:01:51 »
When it comes to the salvation of souls the timeline for error is zero. While some in the Church may be evil, the message is not and God would never allow such a lie to be perpetrated on so many for so long. There was the beginning, with but one Church that has now devolved into many with different doctrines and biblical interpretations. And no, we have "not been wrong longer", but see the teachings of orthodoxy as the right way to worship and come to know God.
how long have the Jewish people not heard Him?  It isn't like He didn't make it available to them.
We all have free choice and many choose false teachings over His teachings.

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« Reply #67 on: Fri Nov 13, 2015 - 07:40:47 »

Are trying to tell me is that God would allow an a lie to go on for almost 1500 years and longer until you folks came along with the real truth?  Yeah right. All these other non-orthodox sects came about in the 1500's, 1800's, 1900's, etc. with more coming on line every year.


What is the allowable timeline for living and teaching a lie? Do you think God will step in and correct any proposed followers of Him or does He allow us to make attempts to seek His fullness? I can think of several that could stand to be corrected, but they continue to preach, quite possibly in their own understanding but nevertheless still active.


It's nice to believe that your particular denomination has the backing of God due to the centuries it has survived, but as I've said before, "could it be that you've just been wrong longer?"

When it comes to the salvation of souls the timeline for error is zero. While some in the Church may be evil, the message is not and God would never allow such a lie to be perpetrated on so many for so long. There was the beginning, with but one Church that has now devolved into many with different doctrines and biblical interpretations. And no, we have "not been wrong longer", but see the teachings of orthodoxy as the right way to worship and come to know God.

You are very close to the truth. Let God's word be true  and every man a liar.  Is it not Gods word that is true over  lies but men.  Who is the master of deception? Is it not liar of liars who is the prince of the this world who deceive even the elect. Who will stop at nothing to create a counterfeit Church to deceive the multitudes
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