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PURGATORY
« on: Tue Jun 05, 2012 - 16:00:27 »
Purgatory  

I am no longer a Catholic !

I do not want to pick a fight !   With any one.

I just do not understand purgatory.

I now use the  KJB  and do not see it any were .

And for what my bible tells me , my sins are all forgiven , by the shed blood of

Jesus Christ.    He had no sin of his own, but went to the cross to pay for those

who will have faith and believe.  

So you go straight to  heaven or the other place,

According  to my bible   if you believe that    [ "purgatory " ] then ,  Christ died in      VAIN


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« Reply #1 on: Tue Jun 05, 2012 - 16:26:30 »
We do already have a topic on Purgatory going. But, that said, thank you for your testimony. Keep the faith!  ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #2 on: Tue Jun 05, 2012 - 16:30:49 »
Its not there, in the Bible I mean. Glad to know that you have seen the light. We are completely forgiven and washed clean by the death of Jesus, no more needs to be done.

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Jun 05, 2012 - 20:19:07 »
We do already have a topic on Purgatory going. But, that said, thank you for your testimony. Keep the faith!  ::tippinghat::


Could you please tell me were I can find it ?

Thank you very much .

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« Reply #4 on: Tue Jun 05, 2012 - 21:20:34 »
Purgatory  

I am no longer a Catholic !

I do not want to pick a fight !   With any one.

I just do not understand purgatory.

I now use the  KJB  and do not see it any were .


Its error thats why...keep looking at your AV and if you sincerely want truth it will be revealed to you. 

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« Reply #5 on: Tue Jun 05, 2012 - 22:20:18 »
Purgatory  

I am no longer a Catholic !

I do not want to pick a fight !   With any one.

I just do not understand purgatory.

I now use the  KJB  and do not see it any were .

And for what my bible tells me , my sins are all forgiven , by the shed blood of

Jesus Christ.    He had no sin of his own, but went to the cross to pay for those

who will have faith and believe.  

So you go straight to  heaven or the other place,

According  to my bible   if you believe that    [ "purgatory " ] then ,  Christ died in      VAIN



First of all, I am saddened that you have stayed from the Holy Faith and have bought hook, line and sinker the errors that others have imparted to you. While I applaud you for still believing that Jesus Christ is the Savior, your rejection of all that God has brought us concerning things religious thoughout the ages is a serious matter. I will pray for you that one day you will return to the faith with a newfound exuberance.

Secondly, for serious study get rid of the KJV and get a bible that is complete. But if you don't  presently have one open you KJV go to 1 Cor 3 11-16 which says:

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

That my friend is the concept of purgatory.  While those who have removed themselves from the Universal (Catholic) Church don't use the name "purgatory", that is what this passage means. A purification before you enter in the presence of God for some of the minor sins you have committed.

And there we have it, a Latin Rite (Catholic) teaching direct from the Holy Scriptures. (It's even in the KJV no less!)


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« Reply #6 on: Tue Jun 05, 2012 - 23:25:51 »
That my friend is actually an instant of testing when we will all be tried by the Holy Spirit. It will happen in an instant. A moment.
When our good works will be tested by the fire of Him. Not when our sins will be purified. That happned 2000 years ago at Calvary when Christ died for our sins.

It has nothing to do with sins, it has to do with good works. Read it. Its says if our works abide, (are because of Christ) we receive our reward. If not, they will burn off. No mention of sins. It is not a purification of sins. It is to burn off the chaff in our lives. If we do works out of self, rather than charity. It's not sin... I repeat... It's not about sin. It's about works. Our acts as Christians. Not sinful acts.

That is not a state or place of purgatory. Infact, to imply that is to really stretch the word out of shape.

BTW grams... I'm so happy for you that your blinders where lifted. That you came out of that bondage of the trappings of men. Traditions that hold no promise of salvation. But, you have found the truth lies in the sole Lordship of Jesus Christ alone.

He alone has saved you, He alone can set us free. As He has indeed done for you in this wonderful thing. God bless you sister, Keep the faith!  Read the word!
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« Reply #7 on: Wed Jun 06, 2012 - 03:51:01 »
That my friend is actually an instant of testing when we will all be tried by the Holy Spirit. It will happen in an instant. A moment.
When our good works will be tested by the fire of Him. Not when our sins will be purified. That happned 2000 years ago at Calvary when Christ died for our sins.

It has nothing to do with sins, it has to do with good works. Read it. Its says if our works abide, (are because of Christ) we receive our reward. If not, they will burn off. No mention of sins. It is not a purification of sins. It is to burn off the chaff in our lives. If we do works out of self, rather than charity. It's not sin... I repeat... It's not about sin. It's about works. Our acts as Christians. Not sinful acts.

That is not a state or place of purgatory. Infact, to imply that is to really stretch the word out of shape.

BTW grams... I'm so happy for you that your blinders where lifted. That you came out of that bondage of the trappings of men. Traditions that hold no promise of salvation. But, you have found the truth lies in the sole Lordship of Jesus Christ alone.

He alone has saved you, He alone can set us free. As He has indeed done for you in this wonderful thing. God bless you sister, Keep the faith!  Read the word!

Here is a proper understansing of that passage

10 “According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and another man is building upon it. Let each man take care how he builds upon it.

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« Reply #8 on: Wed Jun 06, 2012 - 03:55:54 »
Purgatory  

I am no longer a Catholic !

I do not want to pick a fight !   With any one.

I just do not understand purgatory.

I now use the  KJB  and do not see it any were .

And for what my bible tells me , my sins are all forgiven , by the shed blood of

Jesus Christ.    He had no sin of his own, but went to the cross to pay for those

who will have faith and believe.  

So you go straight to  heaven or the other place,

According  to my bible   if you believe that    [ "purgatory " ] then ,  Christ died in      VAIN



Hi grams,

Purgatory is not about the forgiveness of sins but 0of the purificationn necessary before we are fit to enter heaven

“But nothing unclean will enter it

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« Reply #9 on: Wed Jun 06, 2012 - 08:36:33 »
I believe I have mentioned this before but , it has to be quite a while back.

I had been A good catholic girl, till about the age of 50.

Our children brought us out of the C.C.

Yes, I know it is different now.  But it should have been doing the correct thing back then.

We were never told to use the bible .   Only the prayer book and the rosary.

And of course the mass was in Latin and the church I went to was also a Polish church.

And would you believe , they made us go to a mass at the time they spoke in Polish.
So we did not learn much.

Our son was a alter boy, and I guess he finally heard the salvation  gospel from a Baptist.

Well, we do not go to a  religion church, we just read the bible.
We go to a Grace church.
And it is so good to be learning each and every day.
My husband and I read the bible on the day's we do not  go to church.

There is a nice thing one of the Baptist preachers has on a tape.

He say's some one keeps getting into my bible !
This preacher is  in his 90 now.  And knows the bible by heart.

Well he say's  when I go to bed tonight  I am going to nail my bible to the dresser...

And he said  , the next day some how they got into my bible again.

Of course he is kidding around and meaning that he just did not see that before in the
bible.
So you are never to old to keep learning.

But the point I am trying to get across is that we are upon salvation , saved !
And God can not be in sin, so at that point we are washed clean and any  sin we
do after is gone.   When we believe and understand what the cross is all about.

How God sent His only begotten son to the cross to be  for all  man's sins that will
believe , understand , and have faith.

Our soul will leave this foul body and we will get a new one.

And what heaven will be like is just so wonderful.

I want to go home , as soon as possible.  But I guess God does not want me as yet.
HE must want me to do some thing ?   I just have to  find out what .......

I am poor in speaking and not  much better in writing - posting -  I do hope I am
understandable
     

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« Reply #10 on: Wed Jun 06, 2012 - 10:28:36 »
Christians, when they stand before Christ at His judgment are not judged at all! It is only our works we do for Christ that are judged---for motive! They go through a 'fire' which burns out all the wrong motive and what is left is what shines for Christ, and that is what our reward is based on! So, even if there are no works worthy of reward, that person is still Christ's, but misses out on certain rewards. Heaven and Christ is still his.

It has nothing to do with uncleanness or sin. Our spirits are already holy and pure, if God is dwelling within!

It is not Purgatory! That is a hellish doctrine borne out of nothing but ignorance of the word of God.

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« Reply #11 on: Wed Jun 06, 2012 - 10:40:22 »
Christians, when they stand before Christ at His judgment are not judged at all! It is only our works we do for Christ that are judged---for motive! They go through a 'fire' which burns out all the wrong motive and what is left is what shines for Christ, and that is what our reward is based on! So, even if there are no works worthy of reward, that person is still Christ's, but misses out on certain rewards. Heaven and Christ is still his.

It has nothing to do with uncleanness or sin. Our spirits are already holy and pure, if God is dwelling within!

It is not Purgatory! That is a hellish doctrine borne out of nothing but ignorance of the word of God.

Scripture please not just your opinions.


And what rewards do they miss out on?

Scripture please, not just your opinions.

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« Reply #12 on: Wed Jun 06, 2012 - 11:11:29 »
Christians, when they stand before Christ at His judgment are not judged at all! It is only our works we do for Christ that are judged---for motive! They go through a 'fire' which burns out all the wrong motive and what is left is what shines for Christ, and that is what our reward is based on! So, even if there are no works worthy of reward, that person is still Christ's, but misses out on certain rewards. Heaven and Christ is still his.

It has nothing to do with uncleanness or sin. Our spirits are already holy and pure, if God is dwelling within!

It is not Purgatory! That is a hellish doctrine borne out of nothing but ignorance of the word of God.


Scripture please not just your opinions.


And what rewards do they miss out on?

Scripture please, not just your opinions.

It is scriptural. Look back a few posts, to the one I was referring to from 1 Corinthians 3.

All Christians will see heaven. We are talking about the Bema Seat judgment of Christ which is only for Christians, and not the GWT judgment.

The rewards are not delineated in scripture, but it isn't heaven. but if you want my opinion, you can ask for it.

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« Reply #13 on: Wed Jun 06, 2012 - 11:40:36 »
Christians, when they stand before Christ at His judgment are not judged at all! It is only our works we do for Christ that are judged---for motive! They go through a 'fire' which burns out all the wrong motive and what is left is what shines for Christ, and that is what our reward is based on! So, even if there are no works worthy of reward, that person is still Christ's, but misses out on certain rewards. Heaven and Christ is still his.

It has nothing to do with uncleanness or sin. Our spirits are already holy and pure, if God is dwelling within!

It is not Purgatory! That is a hellish doctrine borne out of nothing but ignorance of the word of God.


Scripture please not just your opinions.


And what rewards do they miss out on?

Scripture please, not just your opinions.

It is scriptural. Look back a few posts, to the one I was referring to from 1 Corinthians 3.

I gave you the correct interpretation of that. But as usual you just ignore it.

All Christians will see heaven. We are talking about the Bema Seat judgment of Christ which is only for Christians, and not the GWT judgment.

The rewards are not delineated in scripture, but it isn't heaven. but if you want my opinion, you can ask for it.

So you believe in something that is not in scripture.


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« Reply #14 on: Wed Jun 06, 2012 - 12:36:09 »
Christians, when they stand before Christ at His judgment are not judged at all! It is only our works we do for Christ that are judged---for motive! They go through a 'fire' which burns out all the wrong motive and what is left is what shines for Christ, and that is what our reward is based on! So, even if there are no works worthy of reward, that person is still Christ's, but misses out on certain rewards. Heaven and Christ is still his.

It has nothing to do with uncleanness or sin. Our spirits are already holy and pure, if God is dwelling within!

It is not Purgatory! That is a hellish doctrine borne out of nothing but ignorance of the word of God.


Scripture please not just your opinions.


And what rewards do they miss out on?

Scripture please, not just your opinions.

It is scriptural. Look back a few posts, to the one I was referring to from 1 Corinthians 3.

I gave you the correct interpretation of that. But as usual you just ignore it.

That is false.

All Christians will see heaven. We are talking about the Bema Seat judgment of Christ which is only for Christians, and not the GWT judgment.

The rewards are not delineated in scripture, but it isn't heaven. but if you want my opinion, you can ask for it.

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So you believe in something that is not in scripture.

I am allowed to speculate, especially when I declare it is speculation. We all have ideas about certain things God is silent about.

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« Reply #15 on: Wed Jun 06, 2012 - 12:52:18 »
Christians, when they stand before Christ at His judgment are not judged at all! It is only our works we do for Christ that are judged---for motive! They go through a 'fire' which burns out all the wrong motive and what is left is what shines for Christ, and that is what our reward is based on! So, even if there are no works worthy of reward, that person is still Christ's, but misses out on certain rewards. Heaven and Christ is still his.

It has nothing to do with uncleanness or sin. Our spirits are already holy and pure, if God is dwelling within!

It is not Purgatory! That is a hellish doctrine borne out of nothing but ignorance of the word of God.

It's a "self" doctrine. It came out of a time when the church needed money, and they sold prayers to the people to pray their loved ones out of Purgatory. They wanted to rebuild. How else to do that, than to get more money from the poor? 

They still sell those prayers or Mass's today. You can give `150.00 to have your loved one's name mentioned in the mass. Isn't that special?

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« Reply #16 on: Wed Jun 06, 2012 - 13:01:13 »
Christians, when they stand before Christ at His judgment are not judged at all! It is only our works we do for Christ that are judged---for motive! They go through a 'fire' which burns out all the wrong motive and what is left is what shines for Christ, and that is what our reward is based on! So, even if there are no works worthy of reward, that person is still Christ's, but misses out on certain rewards. Heaven and Christ is still his.

It has nothing to do with uncleanness or sin. Our spirits are already holy and pure, if God is dwelling within!

It is not Purgatory! That is a hellish doctrine borne out of nothing but ignorance of the word of God.

It's a "self" doctrine. It came out of a time when the church needed money, and they sold prayers to the people to pray their loved ones out of Purgatory. They wanted to rebuild. How else to do that, than to get more money from the poor? 

They still sell those prayers or Mass's today. You can give `150.00 to have your loved one's name mentioned in the mass. Isn't that special?

I agree with that.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 04:40:19 »
Christians, when they stand before Christ at His judgment are not judged at all! It is only our works we do for Christ that are judged---for motive! They go through a 'fire' which burns out all the wrong motive and what is left is what shines for Christ, and that is what our reward is based on! So, even if there are no works worthy of reward, that person is still Christ's, but misses out on certain rewards. Heaven and Christ is still his.

It has nothing to do with uncleanness or sin. Our spirits are already holy and pure, if God is dwelling within!

It is not Purgatory! That is a hellish doctrine borne out of nothing but ignorance of the word of God.

It's a "self" doctrine. It came out of a time when the church needed money, and they sold prayers to the people to pray their loved ones out of Purgatory. They wanted to rebuild. How else to do that, than to get more money from the poor? 

They still sell those prayers or Mass's today. You can give `150.00 to have your loved one's name mentioned in the mass. Isn't that special?

Wrong on both counts as usual.

Prayers were not sold then and they are not sold now.


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« Reply #18 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 05:20:56 »
Christians, when they stand before Christ at His judgment are not judged at all! It is only our works we do for Christ that are judged---for motive! They go through a 'fire' which burns out all the wrong motive and what is left is what shines for Christ, and that is what our reward is based on! So, even if there are no works worthy of reward, that person is still Christ's, but misses out on certain rewards. Heaven and Christ is still his.

It has nothing to do with uncleanness or sin. Our spirits are already holy and pure, if God is dwelling within!

It is not Purgatory! That is a hellish doctrine borne out of nothing but ignorance of the word of God.

It's a "self" doctrine. It came out of a time when the church needed money, and they sold prayers to the people to pray their loved ones out of Purgatory. They wanted to rebuild. How else to do that, than to get more money from the poor? 

They still sell those prayers or Mass's today. You can give `150.00 to have your loved one's name mentioned in the mass. Isn't that special?

Wrong on both counts as usual.

Prayers were not sold then and they are not sold now.




Yes they were !   They still may be .
If you wanted to  have a prayer sent up  with more help, you had to buy a candle and light it .   
I had done it my self many times.     So please do not tell me  they did not cost me!



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« Reply #19 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 05:58:21 »
Christians, when they stand before Christ at His judgment are not judged at all! It is only our works we do for Christ that are judged---for motive! They go through a 'fire' which burns out all the wrong motive and what is left is what shines for Christ, and that is what our reward is based on! So, even if there are no works worthy of reward, that person is still Christ's, but misses out on certain rewards. Heaven and Christ is still his.

It has nothing to do with uncleanness or sin. Our spirits are already holy and pure, if God is dwelling within!

It is not Purgatory! That is a hellish doctrine borne out of nothing but ignorance of the word of God.

It's a "self" doctrine. It came out of a time when the church needed money, and they sold prayers to the people to pray their loved ones out of Purgatory. They wanted to rebuild. How else to do that, than to get more money from the poor? 

They still sell those prayers or Mass's today. You can give `150.00 to have your loved one's name mentioned in the mass. Isn't that special?

Wrong on both counts as usual.

Prayers were not sold then and they are not sold now.




Yes they were !   They still may be .
If you wanted to  have a prayer sent up  with more help, you had to buy a candle and light it .   
I had done it my self many times.     So please do not tell me  they did not cost me!




If you buy a candle then you buy the candle. The prayers are yours and you don't charge yourself.

If you want a particular intention included at a Mass it is customary to make an offering to the priest who says the Mass. This is normally £5 to £10  ($7-15) not $150. A priest may only accept one Mass offering per day for himself.

Presbyters who preside well deserve double honor, especially those who toil in preaching and teaching. For the scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it is threshing,

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« Reply #20 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 09:34:43 »


That is not in the bible !

Praying of any kind is free...........

God does not charge us ........................

             Rom 8:26  Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Rom 8:27  And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

    1 Th 5:17  Pray without ceasing.

1 Th 5:18  In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
       

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« Reply #21 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 10:00:34 »
Christians, when they stand before Christ at His judgment are not judged at all! It is only our works we do for Christ that are judged---for motive! They go through a 'fire' which burns out all the wrong motive and what is left is what shines for Christ, and that is what our reward is based on! So, even if there are no works worthy of reward, that person is still Christ's, but misses out on certain rewards. Heaven and Christ is still his.

It has nothing to do with uncleanness or sin. Our spirits are already holy and pure, if God is dwelling within!

It is not Purgatory! That is a hellish doctrine borne out of nothing but ignorance of the word of God.

It's a "self" doctrine. It came out of a time when the church needed money, and they sold prayers to the people to pray their loved ones out of Purgatory. They wanted to rebuild. How else to do that, than to get more money from the poor? 

They still sell those prayers or Mass's today. You can give `150.00 to have your loved one's name mentioned in the mass. Isn't that special?

Wrong on both counts as usual.

Prayers were not sold then and they are not sold now.




Yes they were !   They still may be .
If you wanted to  have a prayer sent up  with more help, you had to buy a candle and light it .   
I had done it my self many times.     So please do not tell me  they did not cost me!




If you buy a candle then you buy the candle. The prayers are yours and you don't charge yourself.

If you want a particular intention included at a Mass it is customary to make an offering to the priest who says the Mass. This is normally £5 to £10  ($7-15) not $150. A priest may only accept one Mass offering per day for himself.

Presbyters who preside well deserve double honor, especially those who toil in preaching and teaching. For the scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it is threshing,

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Re: PURGATORY
« Reply #22 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 10:10:54 »
Christians, when they stand before Christ at His judgment are not judged at all! It is only our works we do for Christ that are judged---for motive! They go through a 'fire' which burns out all the wrong motive and what is left is what shines for Christ, and that is what our reward is based on! So, even if there are no works worthy of reward, that person is still Christ's, but misses out on certain rewards. Heaven and Christ is still his.

It has nothing to do with uncleanness or sin. Our spirits are already holy and pure, if God is dwelling within!

It is not Purgatory! That is a hellish doctrine borne out of nothing but ignorance of the word of God.

It's a "self" doctrine. It came out of a time when the church needed money, and they sold prayers to the people to pray their loved ones out of Purgatory. They wanted to rebuild. How else to do that, than to get more money from the poor? 

They still sell those prayers or Mass's today. You can give `150.00 to have your loved one's name mentioned in the mass. Isn't that special?

Wrong on both counts as usual.

Prayers were not sold then and they are not sold now.




Yes they were !   They still may be .
If you wanted to  have a prayer sent up  with more help, you had to buy a candle and light it .   
I had done it my self many times.     So please do not tell me  they did not cost me!




If you buy a candle then you buy the candle. The prayers are yours and you don't charge yourself.

If you want a particular intention included at a Mass it is customary to make an offering to the priest who says the Mass. This is normally £5 to £10  ($7-15) not $150. A priest may only accept one Mass offering per day for himself.

Presbyters who preside well deserve double honor, especially those who toil in preaching and teaching. For the scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it is threshing,

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Re: PURGATORY
« Reply #23 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 10:45:45 »
Tithing means tenth. It is not a tithe! What you describe is indulgences---payment for a service. Nothing in scripture teaches that we must pay for any particular service!

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Re: PURGATORY
« Reply #24 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 10:47:10 »
Tithing means tenth. It is not a tithe! What you describe is indulgences---payment for a service. Nothing in scripture teaches that we must pay for any particular service!

Payment to who exactly?

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Re: PURGATORY
« Reply #25 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 14:09:09 »
Tithing means tenth. It is not a tithe! What you describe is indulgences---payment for a service. Nothing in scripture teaches that we must pay for any particular service!

Payment to who exactly?

To the church where the mass is said. I know I've seen my husband's family do this numerous times. 150.00 for a mass to be said for the dead.  I've seen him fill out the cards and give the money.

Yes they do...  They certainly do. When my bil died, my sil paid that "mass" price four times before the 1st anniversary of his death. She said it was because she wanted him to be out of purgatory by then. 

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Re: PURGATORY
« Reply #26 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 14:18:06 »
Tithing means tenth. It is not a tithe! What you describe is indulgences---payment for a service. Nothing in scripture teaches that we must pay for any particular service!

Payment to who exactly?

To the church where the mass is said. I know I've seen my husband's family do this numerous times. 150.00 for a mass to be said for the dead.  I've seen him fill out the cards and give the money.

Yes they do...  They certainly do. When my bil died, my sil paid that "mass" price four times before the 1st anniversary of his death. She said it was because she wanted him to be out of purgatory by then. 

You have never seen him pay 150 for a Mass but if you want to pretend then thats cool.

Yes the $15 dollars are paid to the Church which the member is apart of. Not to the priest to that local parish whom apart from tithing (if people even give their tenth) have no way of collecting funds to pay the bills. Bills which still come.

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Re: PURGATORY
« Reply #27 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 15:16:59 »
Tithing means tenth. It is not a tithe! What you describe is indulgences---payment for a service. Nothing in scripture teaches that we must pay for any particular service!

Payment to who exactly?

To the church where the mass is said. I know I've seen my husband's family do this numerous times. 150.00 for a mass to be said for the dead.  I've seen him fill out the cards and give the money.

Yes they do...  They certainly do. When my bil died, my sil paid that "mass" price four times before the 1st anniversary of his death. She said it was because she wanted him to be out of purgatory by then. 

You have never seen him pay 150 for a Mass but if you want to pretend then thats cool.

Yes the $15 dollars are paid to the Church which the member is apart of. Not to the priest to that local parish whom apart from tithing (if people even give their tenth) have no way of collecting funds to pay the bills. Bills which still come.

You take great pride in calling posters, liars. You have no grounds on which to do such a thing. I know what I see, I know what my family does. You do not. You need to check yourself on the way you treat believers.  I don't know why the mods allow you to continue to name call and insult others, including saying they are not saved. Which you did imply in another thread about me.

Check your Charity towards others brother... it's lacking.

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Re: PURGATORY
« Reply #28 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 15:33:44 »
Tithing means tenth. It is not a tithe! What you describe is indulgences---payment for a service. Nothing in scripture teaches that we must pay for any particular service!

Payment to who exactly?

To the church where the mass is said. I know I've seen my husband's family do this numerous times. 150.00 for a mass to be said for the dead.  I've seen him fill out the cards and give the money.

Yes they do...  They certainly do. When my bil died, my sil paid that "mass" price four times before the 1st anniversary of his death. She said it was because she wanted him to be out of purgatory by then. 

You have never seen him pay 150 for a Mass but if you want to pretend then thats cool.

Yes the $15 dollars are paid to the Church which the member is apart of. Not to the priest to that local parish whom apart from tithing (if people even give their tenth) have no way of collecting funds to pay the bills. Bills which still come.

You take great pride in calling posters, liars. You have no grounds on which to do such a thing. I know what I see, I know what my family does. You do not. You need to check yourself on the way you treat believers.  I don't know why the mods allow you to continue to name call and insult others, including saying they are not saved. Which you did imply in another thread about me.

Check your Charity towards others brother... it's lacking.
I never used the word liar but I did imply that you weren't being truthful. Well I guess thats the same thing.

Anyway yes you have never seen your husband's family pay $150 for a Mass. Never. They may have been generous but no they never were required to pay 150.

I have never called you any name or implied that you weren't saved. I'll report you myself if you say something so false again. Accussing me of something like that is insulting.

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Re: PURGATORY
« Reply #29 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 15:36:02 »
Is this a joke?  Are you really this blind?   ::cool::

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Re: PURGATORY
« Reply #30 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 15:43:36 »
Is this a joke?  Are you really this blind?   ::cool::

Kensington let's stop this.

Please quote where I ever implied that you were not saved and/or where I have ever called up a name.


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Re: PURGATORY
« Reply #31 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 15:45:12 »
Tithing means tenth. It is not a tithe! What you describe is indulgences---payment for a service. Nothing in scripture teaches that we must pay for any particular service!

Payment to who exactly?

Didn't you say it is a tithe payment to the parish, the priest taking a portion---or are you confused?

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Re: PURGATORY
« Reply #32 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 15:47:49 »
Tithing means tenth. It is not a tithe! What you describe is indulgences---payment for a service. Nothing in scripture teaches that we must pay for any particular service!

Payment to who exactly?

Didn't you say it is a tithe payment to the parish, the priest taking a portion---or are you confused?

Nope I never said the priest takes a portion. I actually said the exact opposite. The priest takes a vow of poverty. He isn't allowed to own anything.

The 15 bucks used is given to the parish in full and every red cent of parish funds are recorded and presnted to the congregation in monthly parish reports.

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Re: PURGATORY
« Reply #33 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 15:58:43 »
I  do have to say this.

When I was a good Catholic Girl, I did believe all that was told to me.

If I could not explain it I would change the subject to the other person.

Or I would walk away.

I was so very sure the Catholic  faith was the one and only way !

Only thing is I was never saved , till I got into the bible.

And I was afraid of dying, because I had sinned and the confession I made was about the same every week. 

Now I feel like I am having a birthday each and every day !

Oh how I love God's word -  My  KJB  !

That is the way God talks to us through His word !

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Re: PURGATORY
« Reply #34 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 16:02:25 »
I  do have to say this.

When I was a good Catholic Girl, I did believe all that was told to me.

If I could not explain it I would change the subject to the other person.

Or I would walk away.

I was so very sure the Catholic  faith was the one and only way !

Only thing is I was never saved , till I got into the bible.

And I was afraid of dying, because I had sinned and the confession I made was about the same every week. 

Now I feel like I am having a birthday each and every day !

Oh how I love God's word -  My  KJB  !

That is the way God talks to us through His word !


You were ignorant of Catholicism so you were easy to manipulate.


 

     
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