Roman Catholic Atrocities

[James Rondon]

Fire has a purpose, as revealed in the Scriptures... Purification.

Purgatory?

I said "the Scriptures", not "man made traditions".

[NewsWatcher]

Purgatory?

I agree Purgatory is not supported in the bible.  Only in the Catechism. 

Look at what it says, the church gave the name???

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:

1498 Through indulgences the faithful can obtain the remission of temporal punishment resulting from sin for themselves and also for the souls in Purgatory.

1475 In the communion of saints, "a perennial link of charity exists between the faithful who have already reached their heavenly home, those who are expiating their sins in purgatory and those who are still pilgrims on earth. between them there is, too, an abundant exchange of all good things." In this wonderful exchange, the holiness of one profits others, well beyond the harm that the sin of one could cause others. Thus recourse to the communion of saints lets the contrite sinner be more promptly and efficaciously purified of the punishments for sin.

Again not supported by scripture.

[ConsideringCatholicism]

Purgatory?

I agree Purgatory is not supported in the bible.  Only in the Catechism. 

Look at what it says, the church gave the name???

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:

1498 Through indulgences the faithful can obtain the remission of temporal punishment resulting from sin for themselves and also for the souls in Purgatory.

1475 In the communion of saints, "a perennial link of charity exists between the faithful who have already reached their heavenly home, those who are expiating their sins in purgatory and those who are still pilgrims on earth. between them there is, too, an abundant exchange of all good things." In this wonderful exchange, the holiness of one profits others, well beyond the harm that the sin of one could cause others. Thus recourse to the communion of saints lets the contrite sinner be more promptly and efficaciously purified of the punishments for sin.

Again not supported by scripture.

Sola Scriptura is not supported by Scripture.  The fact is, you are using a man-made method of using Scripture as the final authority for all Christian thought.  This man-made method of determining Christian thought was invented by Luther to justify his excommunication from the Church that Jesus built upon his disciple Peter in Matt 16:18.  It is a practice unheard of before 1517 AD and rather than leading to clarity, it promotes private interpretation of the scriptures and ultimately, relativism.

[James Rondon]

The reason that the Roman Catholic church decided to reject the authority of the Scriptures was because they knew that their doctrines and practices could not stand up to Scriptural scrutiny.

[ConsideringCatholicism]

The reason that the Roman Catholic church decided to reject the authority of the Scriptures was because they knew that their doctrines and practices could not stand up to Scriptural scrutiny.

The Catholic Church relies on the authority of Tradition and Scripture.  Luther rejected half of the authority Christ established on Earth.  The division between sacred scripture and sacred Tradition is a bit artificial in the first place because all scripture was Tradition before it was written down or canonized by mmmmm......the Church!

[broach972]

The reason that the Roman Catholic church decided to reject the authority of the Scriptures was because they knew that their doctrines and practices could not stand up to Scriptural scrutiny.

That's funny...in my years of studying the faith, I couldn't find one Catholic teaching that contradicted Scripture.

Your statement is quite illogical.  You might want to brush up on Church history and the history of the Scriptures.  I think if the Church wanted to have an advantage in this arena, it would have kicked out the books that did not align with their teachings.

[NewsWatcher]

What Divides Catholics and Protestants?

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080418/32006_What_Divides_Catholics_and_Protestants%3F.htm

An exert from the article:

Perhaps the biggest difference is their views on the sufficiency and authority of Scripture. Traditionally, Protestants believe that the Bible alone is sufficient in teaching man all that is necessary for salvation from sin, and contains the standard in which Christians should measure their behavior.

Catholics, however, do not believe that the Bible alone is enough, and instead hold that the Bible and sacred Roman Catholic traditions are equal in authority, as noted by Got Questions Ministries, which provides biblically-based answers on spiritually-related questions in its Web site, GotQuestions.org.

Roman Catholic doctrines, such as purgatory, praying to the saints, veneration of Mary, have little or no basis in the Scripture, but are based on Roman Catholic traditions.

Another major difference is the office and authority of the pope. There is no equivalent position to the pope in Protestantism because of the belief that no human being is infallible and that Christ alone is the head of the church. Protestants believe that the spiritual authority of the church is based on the Word rather than apostolic succession, and that all believers through the Holy Spirit can understand the Word.

[broach972]

The reason that the Roman Catholic church decided to reject the authority of the Scriptures was because they knew that their doctrines and practices could not stand up to Scriptural scrutiny.

The Catholic Church relies on the authority of Tradition and Scripture.  Luther rejected half of the authority Christ established on Earth.  The division between sacred scripture and sacred Tradition is a bit artificial in the first place because all scripture was Tradition before it was written down or canonized by mmmmm......the Church!

I cannot understand why people ignore this.  People seem to think that the Bible was printed right after Jesus ascended up to Heaven--faxed from Heaven as soon as Jesus got there.

[James Rondon]

The reason that the Roman Catholic church decided to reject the authority of the Scriptures was because they knew that their doctrines and practices could not stand up to Scriptural scrutiny.

That's funny...in my years of studying the faith, I couldn't find one Catholic teaching that contradicted Scripture.

Looks like you need to keep studying.

[NewsWatcher]

People seem to think that the Bible was printed right after Jesus ascended up to Heaven--faxed from Heaven as soon as Jesus got there.

What people I wonder?

[James Rondon]

The reason that the Roman Catholic church decided to reject the authority of the Scriptures was because they knew that their doctrines and practices could not stand up to Scriptural scrutiny.

The Catholic Church relies on the authority of Tradition and Scripture.  Luther rejected half of the authority Christ established on Earth.  The division between sacred scripture and sacred Tradition is a bit artificial in the first place because all scripture was Tradition before it was written down or canonized by mmmmm......the Church!

I cannot understand why people ignore this.

The Scriptures themselves stand as a testimony against the Roman Catholic church. After all, why have a compendium of apostolic writings, wherewith to measure all teachings and practices against, if teachings and practices can circumvent and/or usurp said writings?

[ConsideringCatholicism]

Tradition and Scripture in agreement with each other comprise the final authority.  Just because you appear to have a hard time understanding why Christ chose to do it this way doesn't mean it isn't true.

[broach972]

The reason that the Roman Catholic church decided to reject the authority of the Scriptures was because they knew that their doctrines and practices could not stand up to Scriptural scrutiny.

The Catholic Church relies on the authority of Tradition and Scripture.  Luther rejected half of the authority Christ established on Earth.  The division between sacred scripture and sacred Tradition is a bit artificial in the first place because all scripture was Tradition before it was written down or canonized by mmmmm......the Church!

I cannot understand why people ignore this.

The Scriptures themselves stand as a testimony against the Roman Catholic church. After all, why have a compendium of apostolic writings, wherewith to measure all teachings and practices against, if teachings and practices can circumvent and/or usurp said writings?

You assume that they have to work against each other.  You assume that such practices have to necessarily circumvent or usurp said writings.  This simply is not the case...

[James Rondon]

Tradition and Scripture in agreement with each other comprise the final authority.  Just because you appear to have a hard time understanding why Christ chose to do it this way doesn't mean it isn't true.

Your statment, "Tradition and Scripture in agreement with each other comprise the final authority" does not hold up in the case of the Roman Catholic church, because said church's teachings and practices ("tradition") do not agree with the Scriptures. If they did, there would be no need for you to deny the Scriptures, and appeal to tradition in the first place!

[James Rondon]

The reason that the Roman Catholic church decided to reject the authority of the Scriptures was because they knew that their doctrines and practices could not stand up to Scriptural scrutiny.

The Catholic Church relies on the authority of Tradition and Scripture.  Luther rejected half of the authority Christ established on Earth.  The division between sacred scripture and sacred Tradition is a bit artificial in the first place because all scripture was Tradition before it was written down or canonized by mmmmm......the Church!

I cannot understand why people ignore this.

The Scriptures themselves stand as a testimony against the Roman Catholic church. After all, why have a compendium of apostolic writings, wherewith to measure all teachings and practices against, if teachings and practices can circumvent and/or usurp said writings?

You assume that they have to work against each other.  You assume that such practices have to necessarily circumvent or usurp said writings.  This simply is not the case...

In the case of many of the teachings and practices of the Roman Catholic church, it simply is the case.