Roman Catholic Atrocities

[James Rondon]

I'm glad that you were able to have that opportunity with your friend. But sometimes you need to do as Paul says: "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." And we see why in the next verse: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;". So there is a time and place for exposing false teachings by using  reproof, rebuke, and sound doctrine to expose the error of those who reject the truth.

That is quite a whopper of an assumption.  Charles, your arrogance is quite overwhelming at times.  As a Catholic, I don't believe the Church is in error or teaches false doctrine.

Most, if not all who are in error believe that they are not. For instance, what Jehovah's Witness believes that their church teaches false doctrine? What Mormon believes that their church teaches false doctrine? The only way to demonstrate whether a church (or individual) is teaching the truth, or error, is to point to the Scriptures. In order to avoid having their errors exposed, however, many who teach false doctrine will point away from the Scriptures.

I think this is what is getting old.  I have embraced the faith willingly after ten years of study.

And? How many Jehovah's Witnesses are a part of that organization and can make the same, if not greater claims? How many Mormons? The question is not always whether or not one has studied, but what, how, and why has one been studying. 

I have tried to explain what we believe in.  I know some of it is quite deep and beyond most of your understanding.

 
Perhaps many of the doctrines and practices of the Roman Catholic church are beyond the understanding of many, because they are unbiblical, erroneous, and therefore, unable to truly be understood?

The teachings and doctrines of the Church have stood for more than 2000 years.

The teachings and doctrines (same thing, by the way) of the Roman Catholic church have changed a number of times, and will continue to change and adapt, because they are willed by the ever-changing dictates of men, and not by the unchanging word of God.

So, I don't need any rebuking or reproofing, thank you very much.

Because one does not see the need, does not mean that the need does not exist. In fact, when it comes to rebuke and reproof, which recipient ever believes that he or she is in need? 

I am very much secure in what I believe in and what the Church teaches.

Security does not equal truth. The Scriptures tell us to "examine ourselves", and to "prove all things".

I think that I am perhaps the only remaining Catholic on this forum.  While the desire to leave is tempting, I am not sure what I am going to do.

You may be the only remaining Roman Catholic.

[WileyClarkson]

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Catholic wrong------Protestant right-------Catholic right-------Protestant wrong-------
It's enough to make one !!

Come on guys! 

You Catholics are wrong on alot of issues!

You Protestants are ALSO wrong on alot of issues!

And so are YOU who are LDS or JW or any other sect/cult.

No one has a lock on what is perfect from Scripture.  if you think you do, then I suspect before it is over God will show you how wrong you are for thinking you are the perfect answer to Biblical understanding!

The Catholics are saying one has to have a Pope to explain certain things.  Give me a break!!!!!  I sure don't need one man telling me how to believe BUT If that is what a person who is a Catholic wants, that's fine with me!!!  They believe in Jesus Christ just like I do!

The Protestants want Solo Scriptura and to think for themselves byletting Scripture be the only source for their understanding (and I am a part of that crowd!) yet they (we) fail to recognize that many of the very things we believe from SS are based on human translation of ancient languages that we just can't correctly translate because we just don't know the real translation/application for some words and they also can't seem tor recognize that humans (scribes and copiests) have modified some Scriptures for their own purpose over the centuries.  IOW, it is not SS at any time unles you have the original letters and have a total understanding of the ancient Greek that no Greek Scholar I know claims to possess!  A good example of this is the discussion of gender equality, especially since the scriptures dealing with gender in 1 Cor and 1 Tim are some of the most debated and mistranslated scripture in the NT, not to mention that there is considerable debate about what has been added to or  taken out of these scriptures to begin with!

About all I'm seeing here is THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK FROM BOTH SIDES.  That's not discussion--that's finger pointing and labeling of Christians on both sides and that is just not what we are about on this forum.

Now that's my opinion on this discussion (if you can call it a discussion!).  I hope it become more productive because so far it has not been, IMO!

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[Bonnie]

What is going to happen when and if the debates stop?  Is anyone on either side gonna change their beliefs and their place of worship?

I hate false doctrine with a passion. I will fight against it until my dying day. But can we change the doctrine of the entire Catholic church?  Does anybody honestly believe we can?  I want to do my share in defeating the enemies of Christianity.  You who know me know that.

This is different than trying to help one or two people see the error in their doctrine.

[Charles Sloan]

So since no ones got a lock on what is right about Scripture, and since God will show us how wrong we all are lets just shut down the message boards and stop discussing controversial topics like these. Lets just all be content to tolerate or even embrace what we consider false teachings in the name of being "Christlike" and "loving" so as to not upset the masses. I'm sure Jesus, Paul and the other Apostles could have learned alot from the members here, they only would have tried better to just get along with the Pharisees and Sadducee's.

All those wasted years...

[James Rondon]

Such is neither "Christlike", nor is it "loving".

[Charles Sloan]

Such is neither "Christlike", nor is it "loving".

The only times I see these word used lately is to condemn someone.

[Bonnie]

So since no ones got a lock on what is right about Scripture, and since God will show us how wrong we all are lets just shut down the message boards and stop discussing controversial topics like these. Lets just all be content to tolerate or even embrace what we consider false teachings in the name of being "Christlike" and "loving" so as to not upset the masses. I'm sure Jesus, Paul and the other Apostles could have learned alot from the members here, they only would have tried better to just get along with the Pharisees and Sadducee's.

All those wasted years...

LOL  Could be the first time I've ever been accused of wanting to run.  

[Bonnie]

Such is neither "Christlike", nor is it "loving".

The only times I see these word used lately is to condemn someone.

Amen to that! 

[broach972]

Wiley,
I appreciate your comments.  However, when one looks at the posts made by Catholics on this forum--we are doing one of two things:  constantly defending what the Church teaches or explaining them in an attempt to remove any misconceptions.  Even when we explain them, members of this forum continue to engage in misinformation and deception.

Not once have I ever referred to my Protestant brethren or their faith as "cultish," "anti-Christ," "non-Christain," and the list can go on and on.

I am all for civilized and productive discussion.  However, there are those on this forum that are determined to insult, mock, and disgrace the very faith I belong to.

Unfortunately, many have decided to leave.  This is what makes me sad.

[kensington]

I'm glad that you were able to have that opportunity with your friend. But sometimes you need to do as Paul says: "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." And we see why in the next verse: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;". So there is a time and place for exposing false teachings by using  reproof, rebuke, and sound doctrine to expose the error of those who reject the truth.

That is quite a whopper of an assumption.  Charles, your arrogance is quite overwhelming at times.  As a Catholic, I don't believe the Church is in error or teaches false doctrine.  I think this is what is getting old.  I have embraced the faith willingly after ten years of study.  I have tried to explain what we believe in.  I know some of it is quite deep and beyond most of your understanding.  For me, it is quite simple.  The teachings and doctrines of the Church have stood for more than 2000 years.

So, I don't need any rebuking or reproofing, thank you very much.  I am very much secure in what I believe in and what the Church teaches.  Not only do I know the truth, I have embraced it fully.

I think that I am perhaps the only remaining Catholic on this forum.  While the desire to leave is tempting, I am not sure what I am going to do.

God bless

Then you are just a young pup.... My fil has been a faithful Catholic for 71 years, my sil for 44, and my husband was one for 21 years before He left for the true church... and became a Born again Protestant.

I think you should give it more study before you deem yourself most knowledgable.  10 years isn't a thing. I'm learning more and more that my husband who lived it, and went to the schools and classes all those years really did know what he was doing when he denounced it as false and walked away.  He studied it for 21 years, that is long enough to make a sound judgement, even by your standards. As you say, you have been studying only 10 years.

[kensington]

Broach... did you not state this...

"The fact is your husband has compromised his beliefs.  He has sacrificed a foundation of marble (Catholicism) for plastic - Legos (Trinitarian Protestantism).  Will it lead to salvation - hopefully."

and this....
 

Not once have I ever referred to my Protestant brethren or their faith as "cultish," "anti-Christ," "non-Christain," and the list can go on and on.

But, isn't saying my husband compromised his beliefs when he left Catholocism and was saved, and implying he needs salvation "Will it lead to salvation-hopefully"  calling him unsaved... which is non-Christian?

You have said what you deny you said. An unsaved person is a non Christian, and you said he needed salvatioin. Thus you called this protestant man, non Christian.  If he needed to be lead to salvation, that would be saying he is unsaved, or non-Christian.

Unless, you'd like to recant. 

[Bonnie]

He is then saying that only Catholics go to heaven.?

[constantine]

Broach... did you not state this...

"The fact is your husband has compromised his beliefs.  He has sacrificed a foundation of marble (Catholicism) for plastic - Legos (Trinitarian Protestantism).  Will it lead to salvation - hopefully."

and this....
 

Not once have I ever referred to my Protestant brethren or their faith as "cultish," "anti-Christ," "non-Christain," and the list can go on and on.

But, isn't saying my husband compromised his beliefs when he left Catholocism and was saved, and implying he needs salvation "Will it lead to salvation-hopefully"  calling him unsaved... which is non-Christian?

You have said what you deny you said. An unsaved person is a non Christian, and you said he needed salvatioin. Thus you called this protestant man, non Christian.  If he needed to be lead to salvation, that would be saying he is unsaved, or non-Christian.

Unless, you'd like to recant. 

This thread sure seems hostile.  Why are you accusing Broach of saying something someone else said?  The name of the person who posted it is right by the post - seems hard to believe you could miss it.   Bearing false witness is a violation of the 9th commandment......

Unless, you'd like to recant.

[constantine]

He is then saying that only Catholics go to heaven.?

"Will he go to Heaven, hopefully" does not mean "only Catholics go to heaven"

It suggests that salvation is based on a sanctifying relationship with Christ that lasts a life time, not a one time formula.

[broach972]

Broach... did you not state this...

"The fact is your husband has compromised his beliefs.  He has sacrificed a foundation of marble (Catholicism) for plastic - Legos (Trinitarian Protestantism).  Will it lead to salvation - hopefully."

and this....
 

Not once have I ever referred to my Protestant brethren or their faith as "cultish," "anti-Christ," "non-Christain," and the list can go on and on.

But, isn't saying my husband compromised his beliefs when he left Catholocism and was saved, and implying he needs salvation "Will it lead to salvation-hopefully"  calling him unsaved... which is non-Christian?

You have said what you deny you said. An unsaved person is a non Christian, and you said he needed salvatioin. Thus you called this protestant man, non Christian.  If he needed to be lead to salvation, that would be saying he is unsaved, or non-Christian.

Unless, you'd like to recant. 

I did not make the first statement.  If memory serves me correctly, that was CC.  The second one belongs to me.