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Re: Sacred Tradition
« Reply #195 on: April 24, 2012, 09:58:39 PM »
In Proverbs 7 did you notice the similarities of Rev 17?

DRESSED LIKE A PROSTITUTE

History has shown how harlots did dress very distinctively as per Gen 38:14,15 (See Hos 2:4). But the dress plays no role in the story and she seems to need no identification". The harlot's attire is described in Rev 17:4:

"The woman (RCC) was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls."


So you think God instructed Aaron to dress as a prostitute?

“From among the Israelites have your brother Aaron, together with his sons Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, brought to you, that they may be my priests. For the glorious adornment of your brother Aaron you shall have sacred vestments made. Therefore, to the various expert workmen whom I have endowed with skill, you shall give instructions to make such vestments for Aaron as will set him apart for his sacred service as my priest. These are the vestments they shall make: a breastpiece, an ephod, a robe, a brocaded tunic, a miter and a sash. In making these sacred vestments which your brother Aaron and his sons are to wear in serving as my priests, they shall use gold, violet, purple and scarlet yarn and fine linen.
“The ephod they shall make of gold thread and of violet, purple and scarlet yarn, embroidered on cloth of fine linen twined. It shall have a pair of shoulder straps joined to its two upper ends. The embroidered belt of the ephod shall extend out from it and, like it, be made of gold thread, of violet, purple and scarlet yarn, and of fine linen twined.
“Get two onyx stones and engrave on them the names of the sons of Israel......

The breastpiece of decision you shall also have made, embroidered like the ephod with gold thread and violet, purple and scarlet yarn on cloth of fine linen twined. It is to be square when folded double, a span high and a span wide. On it you shall mount four rows of precious stones: in the first row, a carnelian, a topaz and an emerald; in the second row, a garnet, a sapphire and a beryl; 1in the third row, a jacinth, an agate and an amethyst; in the fourth row, a chrysolite, an onyx and a jasper. These stones are to be mounted in gold filigree work
....

All around the hem at the bottom you shall make pomegranates, woven of violet, purple and scarlet yarn and fine linen twined, with gold bells between them;

And thus once again Insight is enlightened to biblical truth. ::clappingoverhead::

You clap and rejoice in a law that cannot save  ::pondering:: once again the Romanist falls back on the Law to uphold their manner of dress.

 ::whistle::

You missed the most vital point the Sacred Scripture has revealed to you. Well IMO at least.
"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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Re: Sacred Tradition
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Re: Sacred Tradition
« Reply #196 on: April 24, 2012, 10:31:08 PM »
Anyone find a verse yet??????
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Re: Sacred Tradition
« Reply #197 on: April 25, 2012, 03:01:12 AM »
Anyone find a verse yet??????

You seem to be under some misapprehension here.

It is not scripture that interprets scripture.

It is not Tradition that interprets scripture.

It is the Church that interprets scripture.
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Re: Sacred Tradition
« Reply #198 on: April 25, 2012, 03:53:25 AM »
Anyone find a verse yet??????

You seem to be under some misapprehension here.

It is not scripture that interprets scripture.

It is not Tradition that interprets scripture.
 
It is the Church that interprets scripture.


That's right, the Church that gave us the New Testament Canon is the Church that correctly interprets them.  ::amen!::

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Re: Sacred Tradition
« Reply #199 on: April 25, 2012, 04:10:17 AM »
Anyone find a verse yet??????


You seem to be under some misapprehension here.

It is not scripture that interprets scripture.

It is not Tradition that interprets scripture.
 
It is the Church that interprets scripture.



That's right, the Church that gave us the New Testament Canon is the Church that correctly interprets them.  ::amen!::


Are you able to show us where in the New Testament are your bishops instructed to where scarlet and purple robes other than Rev 17 as previously stated.



 ::shrug::

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Re: Sacred Tradition
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Re: Sacred Tradition
« Reply #200 on: April 25, 2012, 04:22:52 AM »
In Proverbs 7 did you notice the similarities of Rev 17?

DRESSED LIKE A PROSTITUTE

History has shown how harlots did dress very distinctively as per Gen 38:14,15 (See Hos 2:4). But the dress plays no role in the story and she seems to need no identification". The harlot's attire is described in Rev 17:4:

"The woman (RCC) was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls."



So you think God instructed Aaron to dress as a prostitute?

“From among the Israelites have your brother Aaron, together with his sons Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, brought to you, that they may be my priests. For the glorious adornment of your brother Aaron you shall have sacred vestments made. Therefore, to the various expert workmen whom I have endowed with skill, you shall give instructions to make such vestments for Aaron as will set him apart for his sacred service as my priest. These are the vestments they shall make: a breastpiece, an ephod, a robe, a brocaded tunic, a miter and a sash. In making these sacred vestments which your brother Aaron and his sons are to wear in serving as my priests, they shall use gold, violet, purple and scarlet yarn and fine linen.
“The ephod they shall make of gold thread and of violet, purple and scarlet yarn, embroidered on cloth of fine linen twined. It shall have a pair of shoulder straps joined to its two upper ends. The embroidered belt of the ephod shall extend out from it and, like it, be made of gold thread, of violet, purple and scarlet yarn, and of fine linen twined.
“Get two onyx stones and engrave on them the names of the sons of Israel......

The breastpiece of decision you shall also have made, embroidered like the ephod with gold thread and violet, purple and scarlet yarn on cloth of fine linen twined. It is to be square when folded double, a span high and a span wide. On it you shall mount four rows of precious stones: in the first row, a carnelian, a topaz and an emerald; in the second row, a garnet, a sapphire and a beryl; 1in the third row, a jacinth, an agate and an amethyst; in the fourth row, a chrysolite, an onyx and a jasper. These stones are to be mounted in gold filigree work
....

All around the hem at the bottom you shall make pomegranates, woven of violet, purple and scarlet yarn and fine linen twined, with gold bells between them;


And thus once again Insight is enlightened to biblical truth. ::clappingoverhead::


You clap and rejoice in a law that cannot save  ::pondering:: once again the Romanist falls back on the Law to uphold their manner of dress.

 ::whistle::


You missed the most vital point the Sacred Scripture has revealed to you. Well IMO at least.


No point missed here Lighthammer.

We have well established with Elvis, yourself and many other Roman Catholics that your religion is based on the principles of the Law (legal).  The RCC traditions have their foundations in Judaism and carried forward the jot and tittle approach to religious practise and instruction. We have seen as Winsome so aptly proved the garments of the law and all the symbolism which is nowhere found in the New Testament, and rightly so.

Maybe you would show us NT passages for the following items:

•   Mitre
•   Papal Ring
•   Der Fanon
•   Tippet
•   Alb
•   Chasuble
•   Sash
•   Cassock



Let’s begin with the apostate attire of the Pope before moving into the chapels and cathedrals with all their stain glass windows... more images, engravings and graven lifeless images that establish her Babylonian heritage.

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p.s So you think God instructed Aaron to dress as a prostitute? No but he knew Israel would become one.

Jer_3:1  They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.

Your Church has done likewise from its beginnings it played the harlot.









 
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Re: Sacred Tradition
« Reply #201 on: April 25, 2012, 05:05:35 AM »
Maybe in Peters writings one would think?  ::pondering::

I have provided and outline of the first key given to Peter expressed in the following key of suffering in this present world.

1. INTRODUCTION — Ch. 1:1-2

•The Definition of a Christian — Ch. 1: 1- 2;

2. THE CALL AND WHAT IT INVOLVES — Ch. 1:3-2:10

•Our Living Hope — Ch. 1: 3-12;
•The Living Way — Ch. 1:13-16;
•The Living Sacrifice — Ch. 1:17-21;
•The Living Word — Ch. 1:22-25;
•The Living Power — Ch. 2: 1- 3;
•The Living Stones — Ch. 2: 4- 8;
•The Living Priesthood — Ch. 2: 9-10;

3. THE PILGRIM LIFE AND HOW TO LIVE IT —

Ch. 2:11-4:11

•Towards the World — Ch. 2:11-17;
•Towards Masters — Ch. 2:18-25;
•Towards Husbands — Ch. 3: 1-6;
•Towards Wives — Ch. 3: 7;
•Towards Brethren — Ch. 3: 8-9;
•Towards Outsiders — Ch. 3:10-13;
•Towards Persecution — Ch. 3:14-17;
•Imitating Christ, the Pattern — Ch. 3:18-22;
•The Weapons of Victory — Ch. 4: 1-11;

4. THE FIERY TRIAL AND HOW TO BEAR IT — Ch. 4:12-5:11

*As Partakers of Christ's Sufferings — Ch. 4:12-19;

*As Elders Providing an Example — Ch. 5: 1-4;

* As the Flock Submitting in Humility — Ch. 5: 5-11;

5. FINAL WORDS — Ch. 5:12-14

^Greetings from Babylon — Ch. 5:12-14;
And now, Christians, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

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« Reply #202 on: April 25, 2012, 05:11:59 AM »
In terms of Christ second key to Peter which he passed on to all willing and able men and women the second Key concerning the glory which shall follow is found in 2 Peter.

Sadly, I could not find anything to do with preistly robes and all the paraphanalia that is found in the RCC.

Not one word!

1. DIVINE REVELATION: THE ANTIDOTE TO MORAL CORRUPTION — Ch. 1

*The Purpose of the Revelation Vv. 1- 4;
*The Application of the Revelation Vv. 5-11;
*The Availability of the Revelation Vv. 12-15;
*The Authenticity of the Revelation Vv. 16-21;

2. DIVINE REVELATION: THE ANTIDOTE TO DOCTRINAL CORRUPTION — Ch. 2

*The Certainty of Apostasy Vv. 1- 3;
*The Certainty of Judgment Vv. 4-9;
* The Nature of the Apostasy Vv. 10-16;
*The Polluting Influence of the Apostasy .... Vv. 17-22;

3. DIVINE REVELATION: THE ANTIDOTE TO POLITICAL CORRUPTION — Ch. 3

*The Scoffers' Challenge Vv. 1- 4;
*The Scoffers' Ignorance Vv. 5- 7;
*The Scoffers' Judgment Vv. 8-12;
*The Assurance of Hope Vv. 13-16;
*The Need of Spiritual Growth Vv. 17-18;
And now, Christians, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

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Re: Sacred Tradition
« Reply #203 on: April 25, 2012, 05:26:03 AM »
Anyone find a verse yet??????

You seem to be under some misapprehension here.

It is not scripture that interprets scripture.

It is not Tradition that interprets scripture.

It is the Church that interprets scripture.


Perhaps it would be better to say that it's the Holy Spirit that interprets scripture?

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Re: Sacred Tradition
« Reply #204 on: April 25, 2012, 06:48:53 AM »
I am pleased you agreed that your traditions including the popes attire cannot be found anywhere in Peters epistles. That's one hurdle we need not cross.

While you are correct about true Christianity being founded in Israel however not all Israel is Israel.

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel :(Romans 9:6)

Those who were not Israel were those sects of Judaism which were the majority of Jewish believers of Christ’s day.

Today the Christian equivalent is founded in the Roman Catholic Church and her daughters.

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Why do you call it apostate attire?

Just calling it so doesn’t make it so.

You seem to go in for that sort of  erroneous argument.

The whole system of worship is apostate; its garments and all the appearance of religious formalities are abhorrent to God and Jesus Christ and are nowhere taught in the New Testament.

Now, those who have laboured in this forum over the past 12 months have seen time and time again when pressed hard about a practice of doctrine often more than not you would take us to the OT to prove your system of worship.

This presents a real problem for you as your entire church is built on a legalistic ritualistic worship which is not found anywhere taught by the first century Apostles. Now there is no need to defend this statement for its truth is widely accepted by even those Catholics I talk to from day to day.

The problem grows larger when the Catholic beings to question the system and its ritualistic practices and them consults the living Word to find its instruction.

The silence is deafening when they find their Church is made up of ritualistic formalities designed to elevate men to positions of power and authority so that like the Pharisee they can rob the people of the keys of knowledge for which Jesus warned them sternly in their utter pride and pomp.

This time Christ will not warn he will destroy the lawyers whom you have entrusted your spiritual guidance.

Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. (Luke 11:52)

I promise you winsome that Christ will utterly destroy the Roman Catholic Church and all her evil practices.

I am sorry you are entangled therein.

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And now, Christians, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

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Re: Sacred Tradition
« Reply #205 on: April 25, 2012, 05:36:29 PM »
Anyone find a verse yet??????

You seem to be under some misapprehension here.

It is not scripture that interprets scripture.

It is not Tradition that interprets scripture.

It is the Church that interprets scripture.


So from your view, only the pope can interpret scripture,is this correct?
"When we come to ask ourselves, and say, "Where did I learn this?" "How did I get this?" "Who taught me this?" it is astonishing to find how much we have imbibed from man, and from tradition; and not directly and for ourselves, from the Word of God. "


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« Reply #206 on: April 25, 2012, 08:48:07 PM »

When your eyes are opened, O the weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see the poor in spirit enter the Kingdom and you yourselves thrust out.


What an unkind thing to say to another that has professed to believing in Christ. He has confessed Jesus to me and I believe him to be my true brother in Christ. If you're going to attack a religion, do so without bashing them in the religion you have no idea of what's in their hearts. Possibly realizing what the criteria is to being in Christ would be a start, and I do believe you do, but you're judging someone only God knows the intent of his heart, his prayers, and his love of the Lord.

Different ones have quoted Revelation 18:4 and relating it to the Catholic Church and if you notice, at that future time possibly the entirety of Christiandom will be in that apostate condition. "Come out of her, my people."

The very nature of man separates our worship. In Spirit and in truth? Romans 14:3  Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Romans 14:6  He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
 
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Re: Sacred Tradition
« Reply #207 on: April 25, 2012, 10:44:00 PM »
Anyone find a verse yet??????

You seem to be under some misapprehension here.

It is not scripture that interprets scripture.

It is not Tradition that interprets scripture.

It is the Church that interprets scripture.


Okayyyyyyy,so how does the church interpret scripture?
"When we come to ask ourselves, and say, "Where did I learn this?" "How did I get this?" "Who taught me this?" it is astonishing to find how much we have imbibed from man, and from tradition; and not directly and for ourselves, from the Word of God. "


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Re: Sacred Tradition
« Reply #208 on: April 25, 2012, 10:53:47 PM »
Is Scripture the Best Interpreter of Scripture?


Some theologians assert that there is no specific command in the Bible stating scripture must interpret scripture.  Have these wise men ever considered that GOD INSPIRES ALL SCRIPTURE?

2 Tim 3:14-17    You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings that are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith that is in Christ Jesus.  All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate equipped for every good work.  (NAS)

The apostle Paul wrote to Timothy in verse 15 regarding the “sacred writings
"When we come to ask ourselves, and say, "Where did I learn this?" "How did I get this?" "Who taught me this?" it is astonishing to find how much we have imbibed from man, and from tradition; and not directly and for ourselves, from the Word of God. "


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Re: Sacred Tradition
« Reply #209 on: April 26, 2012, 02:03:24 AM »
Anyone find a verse yet??????

You seem to be under some misapprehension here.

It is not scripture that interprets scripture.

It is not Tradition that interprets scripture.

It is the Church that interprets scripture.


Okayyyyyyy,so how does the church interpret scripture?

Given the authority to do so by Jesus Christ and with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.