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« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2009, 10:39:02 AM »

Your Church and especially the Popes should know about dying like a beast, since they roasted many a person in the flames like one. 

John Calvin had a rival critic, Michael Servetus, burned alive in October 1553.

Protestants burned some 30,000 "witches" in Europe in the 15th/16th centuries.

Protestants committed even more horrific killing of dozens who were hung, drawn and quartered in England.

Protestant Oliver Cromwell killed thousands of Catholics in Ireland, and drove them from their land to starve.

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/catholic-forum/roman-catholic-atrocities/

I'm not contesting that there were atrocities on the Catholic side. But this thread is called setting the record straight. I was making a point that Protestants are also guilty of atrocities in response to the statement by Amo:
Your Church and especially the Popes should know about dying like a beast, since they roasted many a person in the flames like one.

Personally I think it is better not to get into a "Who was the worst" argument. But that doesn't mean I have to accept one sided accusations without pointing out that the other side has its problems too.

Bad things happened on both sides.
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« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2009, 10:46:25 AM »

I'm not contesting that there were atrocities on the Catholic side. But this thread is called setting the record straight. I was making a point that Protestants are also guilty of atrocities in response to the statement by Amo:
Your Church and especially the Popes should know about dying like a beast, since they roasted many a person in the flames like one.

Personally I think it is better not to get into a "Who was the worst" argument. But that doesn't mean I have to accept one sided accusations without pointing out that the other side has its problems too.

Bad things happened on both sides.

I think its obvious why you don't want to get into who was the worst...

But we have to agree bad things happen on both sides, so slinging mud at protestants will only result in more mud slung at catholics.

I have been out of this type of discussion for quite some time, however if properly motivated I could just as easily return. If you look at some of the past topics here you will find that this is one of my favorite subjects, and when I stopped posting here I had barely scratched the surface.
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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2009, 11:31:30 AM »

I'm not contesting that there were atrocities on the Catholic side. But this thread is called setting the record straight. I was making a point that Protestants are also guilty of atrocities in response to the statement by Amo:
Your Church and especially the Popes should know about dying like a beast, since they roasted many a person in the flames like one.

Personally I think it is better not to get into a "Who was the worst" argument. But that doesn't mean I have to accept one sided accusations without pointing out that the other side has its problems too.

Bad things happened on both sides.

I think its obvious why you don't want to get into who was the worst...

But we have to agree bad things happen on both sides, so slinging mud at protestants will only result in more mud slung at catholics.

I have been out of this type of discussion for quite some time, however if properly motivated I could just as easily return. If you look at some of the past topics here you will find that this is one of my favorite subjects, and when I stopped posting here I had barely scratched the surface.

I have no doubt that you have more than I have. Pointing out splinters in other peoples eye whilst ignoring the planks in their own seems to be a Protestant speciality.  Smile
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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2009, 01:18:48 PM »

I'm not contesting that there were atrocities on the Catholic side. But this thread is called setting the record straight. I was making a point that Protestants are also guilty of atrocities in response to the statement by Amo:
Your Church and especially the Popes should know about dying like a beast, since they roasted many a person in the flames like one.

Personally I think it is better not to get into a "Who was the worst" argument. But that doesn't mean I have to accept one sided accusations without pointing out that the other side has its problems too.

Bad things happened on both sides.

I think its obvious why you don't want to get into who was the worst...

But we have to agree bad things happen on both sides, so slinging mud at protestants will only result in more mud slung at catholics.

I have been out of this type of discussion for quite some time, however if properly motivated I could just as easily return. If you look at some of the past topics here you will find that this is one of my favorite subjects, and when I stopped posting here I had barely scratched the surface.

I have no doubt that you have more than I have. Pointing out splinters in other peoples eye whilst ignoring the planks in their own seems to be a Protestant speciality.  Smile

I don't consider myself a protestant or an affiliate of any denomination, so trying to corral me it pointless. I am a Christian and a member of the Body of Christ, which is neither defined by or confined to any organization. My point is for a catholic to tout their sect as being the "one true church" they need to overlook vast amounts of their historical blunders and outright atrocities they have committed. As far as I know, most protestants are not calling their groups the "true church" to the exclusion of all other groups. (Aside from the CoC, of course...)
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« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2009, 03:50:47 PM »


I am a Catholic because I sincerely believe, by virtue of much cumulative evidence, that Catholicism is true, and that the Catholic Church is the visible Church divinely-established by our Lord Jesus, against which the gates of hell cannot and will not prevail (Mt 16:18), thereby possessing an authority to which I feel bound in Christian duty to submit.  Remember, there is an old European saying, "He who eateth of the Pope dieth like a Beast".

I think you got a corrupted translation of the proverb. Pondering

The ancient adage actually goes "He who eateth of the poop, dieth like a beast." I agree
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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2009, 12:16:15 PM »

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Well, I could bring up the likes of David Korish and Jim Jones, but that would be hitting below the belt. I have to give the Protestants a clean bill of health on claiming to be a Christ.

I met David Koresh, Listen to him for a bit, and asked him several questions.  I asked him several times if he was saying that he was the Lord Jesus Christ, he never said no, just kept beating around the bush.  After asking him directly, one more time, without an answer, I stood up told everybody at the meeting that there was no sense in even listening to a man that would not even acknowledge that he was not Jesus Christ, admonished everyone to leave, and left.  Unfortunately only a few people left with me.  I was surprised.  Some of the people at that meeting, perished with David Koresh.

David Koresh was neither Catholic or Protestant.  He was a self deluded man, that thought he was the Lord Jesus Christ.  Apparently come back to this world again, but this time to experience sin.  Nothing could be done for those who would listen to him above the scriptures, or anything else.  He most certainly was not Protestant.
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