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The birth of the good news
« on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 12:12:06 »
it seems that not many know that the good news was and is proclaimed on Christmas day and is very soon forgotten and so everything that is written or proclaimed is to remind us what the good news really is so that we may simply simply believe[Jn.20:31] until the next Christmas when we are reminded again imho - wincam

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« Reply #1 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 12:42:51 »
So, just tell us then and we can see if you are right about what many do not know...

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« Reply #2 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 12:52:24 »
I did not know that the pagan holiday christmas had any good news proclaimed.

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Re: The birth of the good news
« Reply #3 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 13:07:19 »
I did not know that the pagan holiday christmas had any good news proclaimed.



This is bad news viz that Jesus Christ was a pagan = no nay never - wincam

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« Reply #4 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 14:52:05 »
I did not know that the pagan holiday christmas had any good news proclaimed.



This is bad news viz that Jesus Christ was a pagan = no nay never - wincam

The Christmas holiday itself, however, is pagan. It was adopted by the RCC and Christianized to make pagans converting to Catholicism much easier.

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Re: The birth of the good news
« Reply #5 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 15:11:55 »
I did not know that the pagan holiday christmas had any good news proclaimed.



This is bad news viz that Jesus Christ was a pagan = no nay never - wincam

The Christmas holiday itself, however, is pagan. It was adopted by the RCC and Christianized to make pagans converting to Catholicism much easier.

you mean there was no good news to give to the pagans as glad tidings of great joy and the birth of a Saviour = you cant be serious -wincam

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Re: The birth of the good news
« Reply #6 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 15:16:07 »
I did not know that the pagan holiday christmas had any good news proclaimed.

This is bad news viz that Jesus Christ was a pagan = no nay never - wincam

The Christmas holiday itself, however, is pagan. It was adopted by the RCC and Christianized to make pagans converting to Catholicism much easier.
What day do you celebrate as the birthday of Jesus?

Christmas day - wincam

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Re: The birth of the good news
« Reply #7 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 15:19:12 »
I did not know that the pagan holiday christmas had any good news proclaimed.

This is bad news viz that Jesus Christ was a pagan = no nay never - wincam

The Christmas holiday itself, however, is pagan. It was adopted by the RCC and Christianized to make pagans converting to Catholicism much easier.
What day do you celebrate as the birthday of Jesus?


I was not aware of having to celebrate the birth of Christ.
I have heard that we are to remember His death and are to be crucified with Him.

But please enlighten me if we are to celebrate His birth.

Please provide scriptural reference if you can which would be appreciated.


Thank you.

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« Reply #8 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 15:27:51 »
I did not know that the pagan holiday christmas had any good news proclaimed.

This is bad news viz that Jesus Christ was a pagan = no nay never - wincam

The Christmas holiday itself, however, is pagan. It was adopted by the RCC and Christianized to make pagans converting to Catholicism much easier.
What day do you celebrate as the birthday of Jesus?

I don't. Why the need to?

I did not know that the pagan holiday christmas had any good news proclaimed.



This is bad news viz that Jesus Christ was a pagan = no nay never - wincam

The Christmas holiday itself, however, is pagan. It was adopted by the RCC and Christianized to make pagans converting to Catholicism much easier.

you mean there was no good news to give to the pagans as glad tidings of great joy and the birth of a Saviour = you cant be serious -wincam

You're speaking broken English to me, I can't understand you well here. Jesus wasn't born on December 25th, there's no evidence showing such. No would the shepherds be out in the winter for the angels to herald His coming. There was a literal pagan holiday on that day, the Winter Solstice, that the RCC adopted and Christianized as the day of the Lord's birth, made it easier for pagans. They did the same with Easter.
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Re: The birth of the good news
« Reply #9 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 15:43:02 »
you will be disputing when God was born next if not the 1st January 0000 - it is not winter/cold all over the world - wincam

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« Reply #10 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 15:51:30 »
you will be disputing when God was born next if not the 1st January 0000 - it is not winter/cold all over the world - wincam

It doesn't really matter to me when the Lord was born, it isn't relevant to my salvation or growth.

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« Reply #11 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 16:11:48 »
you will be disputing when God was born next if not the 1st January 0000 - it is not winter/cold all over the world - wincam
check the weather in Dec in Israel.
It's all made up (like RCC beliefs).  Nothing in the NT about celebrating it.  Did the Apostles celebrate it?

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Re: The birth of the good news
« Reply #12 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 16:39:03 »
you will be disputing when God was born next if not the 1st January 0000 - it is not winter/cold all over the world - wincam
check the weather in Dec in Israel.
It's all made up (like RCC beliefs).  Nothing in the NT about celebrating it.  Did the Apostles celebrate it?


cant possibly check the weather 2000 years ago - btw in some parts of the east they still do not celebrate birthdays and some do not even know when it was or is -wincam

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« Reply #13 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 21:54:06 »
you will be disputing when God was born next if not the 1st January 0000 - it is not winter/cold all over the world - wincam

Any one really know when God was born.?    ::pondering::   rofl

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« Reply #14 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 22:06:17 »
you will be disputing when God was born next if not the 1st January 0000 - it is not winter/cold all over the world - wincam

Any one really know when God was born.?    ::pondering::   rofl

If I had to guess, I'd say during the feast of tabernacle. It last 8 days, and the child is circumcised on the 8th day, it would fit. I think I had some evidence with it as well, but really it's only my speculation.

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« Reply #15 on: Sun Oct 11, 2015 - 22:16:18 »
you will be disputing when God was born next if not the 1st January 0000 - it is not winter/cold all over the world - wincam

Any one really know when God was born.?    ::pondering::   rofl

If I had to guess, I'd say during the feast of tabernacle. It last 8 days, and the child is circumcised on the 8th day, it would fit. I think I had some evidence with it as well, but really it's only my speculation.


I would agree with you.

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« Reply #16 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 00:34:36 »
you will be disputing when God was born next if not the 1st January 0000 - it is not winter/cold all over the world - wincam
check the weather in Dec in Israel.
It's all made up (like RCC beliefs).  Nothing in the NT about celebrating it.  Did the Apostles celebrate it?
cant possibly check the weather 2000 years ago - btw in some parts of the east they still do not celebrate birthdays and some do not even know when it was or is -wincam
are you claiming global warming has change the weather in Israel that much over the past 2000 yrs?  Is it cold / snowy in Israel in Dec? or hot and dry out?  is it colder in the summer than in the winter?

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« Reply #17 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 05:22:21 »
you will be disputing when God was born next if not the 1st January 0000 - it is not winter/cold all over the world - wincam
check the weather in Dec in Israel.
It's all made up (like RCC beliefs).  Nothing in the NT about celebrating it.  Did the Apostles celebrate it?
cant possibly check the weather 2000 years ago - btw in some parts of the east they still do not celebrate birthdays and some do not even know when it was or is -wincam
are you claiming global warming has change the weather in Israel that much over the past 2000 yrs?  Is it cold / snowy in Israel in Dec? or hot and dry out?  is it colder in the summer than in the winter?


it seems you missed the info re birthdays being of little consequence even the year never mind the month and the day - anyway what's so wrong about super imposing a Christian festival over a pagan one and obliterating it - wincam

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« Reply #18 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 05:43:27 »
it seems that not many know that the good news was and is proclaimed on Christmas day and is very soon forgotten and so everything that is written or proclaimed is to remind us what the good news really is so that we may simply simply believe[Jn.20:31] until the next Christmas when we are reminded again imho
Christ mas is something we avoid as much as possible..... simple put, it presents a another jesus to us that we reject as false. It is without question a Catholic pagan day, one of the many that you folks have invented for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.  The sad part is that many good people have brought into this pagan day, so much so, that's part of our culture that it is almost impossible to escape from.......even though, I have, as much as possible without making it a major point of my Christian faith of fellowship with those who do follow it, and all the lies that go with it. There are more important battles to fight as far as I'm concerned, right or wrong, (fellowship with those who do) that's where I stand.
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« Reply #19 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 05:52:37 »
it seems that not many know that the good news was and is proclaimed on Christmas day and is very soon forgotten and so everything that is written or proclaimed is to remind us what the good news really is so that we may simply simply believe[Jn.20:31] until the next Christmas when we are reminded again imho
Christ mas is something we avoid as much as possible..... simple put, it presents a another jesus to us that we reject as false. It is without question a Catholic pagan day, one of the many that you folks have invented for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.  The sad part is that many good people have brought into this pagan day, so much so, that's part of our culture that it is almost impossible to escape from.......even though, I have, as much as possible without making it a major point of my Christian faith of fellowship with those who do follow it, and all the lies that go with it. There are more important battles to fight as far as I'm concerned, right or wrong, (fellowship with those who do) that's where I stand.


so we see that the good news and glad tidings of great joy is not good news for some - wincam

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« Reply #20 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 06:09:10 »
it seems that not many know that the good news was and is proclaimed on Christmas day and is very soon forgotten and so everything that is written or proclaimed is to remind us what the good news really is so that we may simply simply believe[Jn.20:31] until the next Christmas when we are reminded again imho
Christ mas is something we avoid as much as possible..... simple put, it presents a another jesus to us that we reject as false. It is without question a Catholic pagan day, one of the many that you folks have invented for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.  The sad part is that many good people have brought into this pagan day, so much so, that's part of our culture that it is almost impossible to escape from.......even though, I have, as much as possible without making it a major point of my Christian faith of fellowship with those who do follow it, and all the lies that go with it. There are more important battles to fight as far as I'm concerned, right or wrong, (fellowship with those who do) that's where I stand.


so we see that the good news and glad tidings of great joy is not good news for some - wincam


If it is fundamental for Christians to know and honour the birthday of Christ, why have we not made the adjustment in the date? Dec 25 is definitely not the birth date of Jesus, it's very likely late Sept, early Oct. to which most scholars will agree on. Instead though, the tradition is carried out on Dec 25 with Walmart being the star of the holiday and Christ being pushed aside.


Perhaps the RCC should make a statement concerning the actual birthdate of Christ if they would like to see people start honoring the Lord on His true birth date rather than santa on the pagan created day. 

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« Reply #21 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 07:40:10 »
it seems that not many know that the good news was and is proclaimed on Christmas day and is very soon forgotten and so everything that is written or proclaimed is to remind us what the good news really is so that we may simply simply believe[Jn.20:31] until the next Christmas when we are reminded again imho
Christ mas is something we avoid as much as possible..... simple put, it presents a another jesus to us that we reject as false. It is without question a Catholic pagan day, one of the many that you folks have invented for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.  The sad part is that many good people have brought into this pagan day, so much so, that's part of our culture that it is almost impossible to escape from.......even though, I have, as much as possible without making it a major point of my Christian faith of fellowship with those who do follow it, and all the lies that go with it. There are more important battles to fight as far as I'm concerned, right or wrong, (fellowship with those who do) that's where I stand.


so we see that the good news and glad tidings of great joy is not good news for some - wincam


If it is fundamental for Christians to know and honour the birthday of Christ, why have we not made the adjustment in the date? Dec 25 is definitely not the birth date of Jesus, it's very likely late Sept, early Oct. to which most scholars will agree on. Instead though, the tradition is carried out on Dec 25 with Walmart being the star of the holiday and Christ being pushed aside.


Perhaps the RCC should make a statement concerning the actual birthdate of Christ if they would like to see people start honoring the Lord on His true birth date rather than santa on the pagan created day.

Christ was super imposed on the pagans by Catholics and Santa was superimposed, IT SEEMS, by much later date Catholics as Protestants on Catholics and Christ - tyhe Protestant Santa replaced the Catholic St. Nicholas - wincam
 
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« Reply #22 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 08:37:22 »
you will be disputing when God was born next if not the 1st January 0000 - it is not winter/cold all over the world - wincam
check the weather in Dec in Israel.
It's all made up (like RCC beliefs).  Nothing in the NT about celebrating it.  Did the Apostles celebrate it?
cant possibly check the weather 2000 years ago - btw in some parts of the east they still do not celebrate birthdays and some do not even know when it was or is -wincam
are you claiming global warming has change the weather in Israel that much over the past 2000 yrs?  Is it cold / snowy in Israel in Dec? or hot and dry out?  is it colder in the summer than in the winter?


it seems you missed the info re birthdays being of little consequence even the year never mind the month and the day - anyway what's so wrong about super imposing a Christian festival over a pagan one and obliterating it - wincam

Israel, in part, tried to do that. Put in pagan rituals and culture but put the name Yahweh on it. He was furious and smote them for it. You really think the Lord would be pleased with you putting His name on a pagan ritual and Christianizing it? He told His people to separate from that stuff.

Christmas was never a Christian festival, either, Wincam. The apostles never taught it, the disciples never honored it, Mark and John doesn't even mention His birth. It's important, yes, but it's important because God walks among us. His life and His resurrection are far more important. It doesn't honor God, it promotes pagan practices in God's name.

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« Reply #23 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 08:51:03 »
Israel, in part, tried to do that. Put in pagan rituals and culture but put the name Yahweh on it. He was furious and smote them for it. You really think the Lord would be pleased with you putting His name on a pagan ritual and Christianizing it? He told His people to separate from that stuff. Christmas was never a Christian festival, either, Wincam. The apostles never taught it, the disciples never honored it, Mark and John doesn't even mention His birth. It's important, yes, but it's important because God walks among us. His life and His resurrection are far more important. It doesn't honor God, it promotes pagan practices in God's name.
Good post my brother, good post. Praise God! I refuse to discuss this during the holiday~it is the time that most are over sensitive and they will not hear hear you; and besides, it is not a mark of spirituality if you do, or do not have anything to do with that pagan day. So I refrain from saying very much.  Now is a good time to discuss this pagan Catholic day.

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« Reply #24 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 09:20:59 »
I did not know that the pagan holiday christmas had any good news proclaimed.



This is bad news viz that Jesus Christ was a pagan = no nay never - wincam

The Christmas holiday itself, however, is pagan. It was adopted by the RCC and Christianized to make pagans converting to Catholicism much easier.

And that is the way God sometimes works. It's called co-opting things to one's advantage and if people turned from believing in the Sun God to believing in the Son of God, wasn't that a good thing?

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you will be disputing when God was born next if not the 1st January 0000 - it is not winter/cold all over the world - wincam
check the weather in Dec in Israel.
It's all made up (like RCC beliefs).  Nothing in the NT about celebrating it.  Did the Apostles celebrate it?
cant possibly check the weather 2000 years ago - btw in some parts of the east they still do not celebrate birthdays and some do not even know when it was or is -wincam
are you claiming global warming has change the weather in Israel that much over the past 2000 yrs?  Is it cold / snowy in Israel in Dec? or hot and dry out?  is it colder in the summer than in the winter?


it seems you missed the info re birthdays being of little consequence even the year never mind the month and the day - anyway what's so wrong about super imposing a Christian festival over a pagan one and obliterating it - wincam

Israel, in part, tried to do that. Put in pagan rituals and culture but put the name Yahweh on it. He was furious and smote them for it. You really think the Lord would be pleased with you putting His name on a pagan ritual and Christianizing it? He told His people to separate from that stuff.

Christmas was never a Christian festival, either, Wincam. The apostles never taught it, the disciples never honored it, Mark and John doesn't even mention His birth. It's important, yes, but it's important because God walks among us. His life and His resurrection are far more important. It doesn't honor God, it promotes pagan practices in God's name.

But we can suppose certain things happened, can't we? John 1:14 says: "And the Word became flesh; and made his dwelling among us; and we saw his glory; the glory as of the Father's only Son; full of grace and truth. So in order for the Word to become flesh what had to happen? Why he had to be BORN of course!

And in Mark 1:7 it says: "And this is what he (the Baptist) proclaimed: One mightier than I is coming after me. I am not worthy to stoop and loosen the thongs of his sandals". And how does the "who is coming" get here? Oh no, he must have been BORN once again of course! The fact is these two gospel accounts are focusing on certain aspects of Christ's life, while the other two gospels do mention his birth prominently as an important part of their narrative.

We Catholics just can't win with you folks. When we talk about his birth, the coming of the Savior into the world we are somehow in error and when we look at his sacrifice on Calvary prominently as part of the Christian faith tradition we are also once again in some sort of  error, just not getting "it" at all.  ::frown::
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To be fair it's not just catholics, the whole lot of Christianity is in error with things like this.

If I tell my son not to participate with something, and some bad people lured him to do so and to not get in trouble he does it in honor of me, would I be any less upset? No. I told him not to and he did it anyway. God tells us not to participate in things like that, you think putting his name on it and making it about his birth makes it any less evil? Same with easter.

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« Reply #27 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 10:00:38 »
To be fair it's not just catholics, the whole lot of Christianity is in error with things like this.

If I tell my son not to participate with something, and some bad people lured him to do so and to not get in trouble he does it in honor of me, would I be any less upset? No. I told him not to and he did it anyway. God tells us not to participate in things like that, you think putting his name on it and making it about his birth makes it any less evil? Same with easter.

And the problem comes down to some people's rejection of the authority of the Church, the entity that was set up here on earth to decide things. Whatsoever is bound on earth is also bound in heaven and the Apostles passed this authority down to their successors in the Church. Miracles didn't end with the death of the Apostles and neither did the authority of said Church here on earth either.

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« Reply #28 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 10:03:51 »
Romans 14...that's all I'm gonna say.

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Romans 14...that's all I'm gonna say.

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« Reply #30 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 14:15:11 »
To be fair it's not just catholics, the whole lot of Christianity is in error with things like this.

If I tell my son not to participate with something, and some bad people lured him to do so and to not get in trouble he does it in honor of me, would I be any less upset? No. I told him not to and he did it anyway. God tells us not to participate in things like that, you think putting his name on it and making it about his birth makes it any less evil? Same with easter.

And the problem comes down to some people's rejection of the authority of the Church, the entity that was set up here on earth to decide things. Whatsoever is bound on earth is also bound in heaven and the Apostles passed this authority down to their successors in the Church. Miracles didn't end with the death of the Apostles and neither did the authority of said Church here on earth either.

Ladonia, there is one thing I appreciate about you. You are honest, this is a genuine Roman Catholic belief and you stand by it proudly. Problem is it's a distortion. The Church is the pillar and foundation of the Truth, but the Truth is still found in Christ, He is the cornerstone of that foundation after all. If the Church deviates from the Truth established by the Lord, it doesn't mean the Truth the Church stands on remains as Truth, it means the Church is no longer the foundation of it. You're saying the apostles and bishops had authority handed down to them to declare such a holiday as righteous, despite the Lord saying differently to Israel in the Scriptures, and that's a big error. If the Church deviates from the Will and Word of the Lord, they deviate from the Authority as well. It's but another reason I can never claim Roman Catholicism.

My issue with Christmas itself is making it into a religious event, and even more so an event with something to do with the Lord, and this is a nono since it did originate as a pagan festival, and no sane man would think putting His name on a pagan holiday would receive His approval. I would celebrate Xmas if it was purely secular, a holiday meant to bring good cheer and family gathering, good food, things like that. As a religious festival, no.

There's no indication that the Lord was born in December, nor is there any indication that the disciples honored such. It's purely a precept of man with paganistic rituals in it, done in the name of God.

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« Reply #31 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 15:52:36 »
I agree...  Romans 14 applies.

There sure are a lot of judges here.  A lot of judging going on.  Only God sees hearts.

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 A lot of Heat Misers on this thread.

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Re: The birth of the good news
« Reply #33 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 16:12:16 »
Romans 14...that's all I'm gonna say.
Sister, how about smoking pot? I see Christian liberty here more than in celebrating Christmas. Now, for your information, I do not smoke pot, but do believe it's a matter of liberty; After all, it grows naturally in God's earth.  What thinketh thou my dear friend?
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Re: The birth of the good news
« Reply #34 on: Mon Oct 12, 2015 - 16:29:08 »
Romans 14...that's all I'm gonna say.
Sister, how about smoking pot? I see Christian liberty here more than in celebrating Christmas. Now, for your information, I do not smoke pot, but do believe it's a matter of liberty. After all, it grows naturally in God's earth.  What thinketh thou my dear friend?

That's a Romans 13 issue  ::whistle::