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Re: The importance of Baptism (infant or adult)
« Reply #35 on: Tue Jan 25, 2011 - 08:18:43 »
Yes but God does not give us our bodies. We inherit our flesh from our ancestors. That flesh is contaminated with sin. Once the sinful flesh of Adam co mingles with the sinless life force of God the result is our birth in which we contract the sinful nature of Adam.

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Re: The importance of Baptism (infant or adult)
« Reply #36 on: Tue Jan 25, 2011 - 08:48:56 »
Yes but God does not give us our bodies. We inherit our flesh from our ancestors. That flesh is contaminated with sin. Once the sinful flesh of Adam co mingles with the sinless life force of God the result is our birth in which we contract the sinful nature of Adam.

No! No! No!   Absolutely not!  Sin contaminates the spirit; Sin does not contaminate the flesh.  When we are saved, the spirit, not the flesh, is cleansed (1 Pet 3:21).


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Re: The importance of Baptism (infant or adult)
« Reply #37 on: Tue Jan 25, 2011 - 09:01:26 »
Yes but God does not give us our bodies. We inherit our flesh from our ancestors. That flesh is contaminated with sin. Once the sinful flesh of Adam co mingles with the sinless life force of God the result is our birth in which we contract the sinful nature of Adam.

No! No! No!   Absolutely not!  Sin contaminates the spirit; Sin does not contaminate the flesh.  When we are saved, the spirit, not the flesh, is cleansed (1 Pet 3:21).



Calm down I know that.

If you would take a second and look you would realize that you don't disagree with me. Sin contaminates the spirit but it does that through offenses commited through the flesh. The flesh is the how. Once Adam the chief of God;s natural creation and he who was given dominion of the earth sinned, the natural world was engulfed in it.

The physical world is sin stained that is why God charboils the entire thing before He delivers the New Heaven and New Earth. It has become corrupt and sinful and the Fire of God will purify the universe by destroying it.

As man, we get our bodies from the natural world because God took our bodies from the dust of the ground and we inherit such from the seed of Adam. In each individual as with Adam, God gives us life force stemming from Him. The only difference between us and Adam is our bodies. Adam's body was derived from the natural world before it was contaminated by sin so his nature was not corrupted. We on the other hand get our bodies from the contaminated natural world and therefore our nature of righteousness that comes from God's life force germinates and is corrupted by the flesh.

Thus creating man with a sinful nature and the inclination to rebell.

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Re: The importance of Baptism (infant or adult)
« Reply #38 on: Tue Jan 25, 2011 - 09:08:21 »
Yes but God does not give us our bodies. We inherit our flesh from our ancestors. That flesh is contaminated with sin. Once the sinful flesh of Adam co mingles with the sinless life force of God the result is our birth in which we contract the sinful nature of Adam.

No! No! No!   Absolutely not!  Sin contaminates the spirit; Sin does not contaminate the flesh.  When we are saved, the spirit, not the flesh, is cleansed (1 Pet 3:21).



Calm down I know that.

If you would take a second and look you would realize that you don't disagree with me. Sin contaminates the spirit but it does that through offenses commited through the flesh. The flesh is the how. Once Adam the chief of God;s natural creation and he who was given dominion of the earth sinned, the natural world was engulfed in it.

The physical world is sin stained that is why God charboils the entire thing before He delivers the New Heaven and New Earth. It has become corrupt and sinful and the Fire of God will purify the universe by destroying it.

As man, we get our bodies from the natural world because God took our bodies from the dust of the ground and we inherit such from the seed of Adam. In each individual as with Adam, God gives us life force stemming from Him. The only difference between us and Adam is our bodies. Adam's body was derived from the natural world before it was contaminated by sin so his nature was not corrupted. We on the other hand get our bodies from the contaminated natural world and therefore our nature of righteousness that comes from God's life force germinates and is corrupted by the flesh.

Thus creating man with a sinful nature and the inclination to rebell.

Oh good grief.  You sound like a native shaman.

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Re: The importance of Baptism (infant or adult)
« Reply #39 on: Tue Jan 25, 2011 - 09:11:40 »
Yes but God does not give us our bodies. We inherit our flesh from our ancestors. That flesh is contaminated with sin. Once the sinful flesh of Adam co mingles with the sinless life force of God the result is our birth in which we contract the sinful nature of Adam.

No! No! No!   Absolutely not!  Sin contaminates the spirit; Sin does not contaminate the flesh.  When we are saved, the spirit, not the flesh, is cleansed (1 Pet 3:21).



Calm down I know that.

If you would take a second and look you would realize that you don't disagree with me. Sin contaminates the spirit but it does that through offenses commited through the flesh. The flesh is the how. Once Adam the chief of God;s natural creation and he who was given dominion of the earth sinned, the natural world was engulfed in it.

The physical world is sin stained that is why God charboils the entire thing before He delivers the New Heaven and New Earth. It has become corrupt and sinful and the Fire of God will purify the universe by destroying it.

As man, we get our bodies from the natural world because God took our bodies from the dust of the ground and we inherit such from the seed of Adam. In each individual as with Adam, God gives us life force stemming from Him. The only difference between us and Adam is our bodies. Adam's body was derived from the natural world before it was contaminated by sin so his nature was not corrupted. We on the other hand get our bodies from the contaminated natural world and therefore our nature of righteousness that comes from God's life force germinates and is corrupted by the flesh.

Thus creating man with a sinful nature and the inclination to rebell.

Oh good grief.  You sound like a native shaman.

Only modernist try to rationalize God and make Him sound more "down to earth" and westerny to make Him more comfortable and easy to take in. He is very ethereal and extremely deep and complex. I'm not shocked that the Truth sounds like something not of this world to you as the words of shamans do.


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Re: The importance of Baptism (infant or adult)
« Reply #40 on: Tue Jan 25, 2011 - 09:27:21 »
Yes but God does not give us our bodies. We inherit our flesh from our ancestors. That flesh is contaminated with sin. Once the sinful flesh of Adam co mingles with the sinless life force of God the result is our birth in which we contract the sinful nature of Adam.

No! No! No!   Absolutely not!  Sin contaminates the spirit; Sin does not contaminate the flesh.  When we are saved, the spirit, not the flesh, is cleansed (1 Pet 3:21).



Calm down I know that.

If you would take a second and look you would realize that you don't disagree with me. Sin contaminates the spirit but it does that through offenses commited through the flesh. The flesh is the how. Once Adam the chief of God;s natural creation and he who was given dominion of the earth sinned, the natural world was engulfed in it.

The physical world is sin stained that is why God charboils the entire thing before He delivers the New Heaven and New Earth. It has become corrupt and sinful and the Fire of God will purify the universe by destroying it.

As man, we get our bodies from the natural world because God took our bodies from the dust of the ground and we inherit such from the seed of Adam. In each individual as with Adam, God gives us life force stemming from Him. The only difference between us and Adam is our bodies. Adam's body was derived from the natural world before it was contaminated by sin so his nature was not corrupted. We on the other hand get our bodies from the contaminated natural world and therefore our nature of righteousness that comes from God's life force germinates and is corrupted by the flesh.

Thus creating man with a sinful nature and the inclination to rebell.

Oh good grief.  You sound like a native shaman.

Only modernist try to rationalize God and make Him sound more "down to earth" and westerny to make Him more comfortable and easy to take in. He is very ethereal and extremely deep and complex. I'm not shocked that the Truth sounds like something not of this world to you as the words of shamans do.


Only a very young mislead RCCer would find meaning in sin contaminted dirt.  Or perhaps the shaman also.

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Re: The importance of Baptism (infant or adult)
« Reply #41 on: Tue Jan 25, 2011 - 09:38:34 »
Yes but God does not give us our bodies. We inherit our flesh from our ancestors. That flesh is contaminated with sin. Once the sinful flesh of Adam co mingles with the sinless life force of God the result is our birth in which we contract the sinful nature of Adam.

No! No! No!   Absolutely not!  Sin contaminates the spirit; Sin does not contaminate the flesh.  When we are saved, the spirit, not the flesh, is cleansed (1 Pet 3:21).



Calm down I know that.

If you would take a second and look you would realize that you don't disagree with me. Sin contaminates the spirit but it does that through offenses commited through the flesh. The flesh is the how. Once Adam the chief of God;s natural creation and he who was given dominion of the earth sinned, the natural world was engulfed in it.

The physical world is sin stained that is why God charboils the entire thing before He delivers the New Heaven and New Earth. It has become corrupt and sinful and the Fire of God will purify the universe by destroying it.

As man, we get our bodies from the natural world because God took our bodies from the dust of the ground and we inherit such from the seed of Adam. In each individual as with Adam, God gives us life force stemming from Him. The only difference between us and Adam is our bodies. Adam's body was derived from the natural world before it was contaminated by sin so his nature was not corrupted. We on the other hand get our bodies from the contaminated natural world and therefore our nature of righteousness that comes from God's life force germinates and is corrupted by the flesh.

Thus creating man with a sinful nature and the inclination to rebell.

Oh good grief.  You sound like a native shaman.

Only modernist try to rationalize God and make Him sound more "down to earth" and westerny to make Him more comfortable and easy to take in. He is very ethereal and extremely deep and complex. I'm not shocked that the Truth sounds like something not of this world to you as the words of shamans do.


Only a very young mislead RCCer would find meaning in sin contaminted dirt.  Or perhaps the shaman also.

Jimmy do you ever realize that everytime we have a debate of the facts you always end up resorting to nothing more than opinion. We have a debate of attrition to see who's defense is based entirely on facts and everytime you lose. Whether its the history of the Church, the true conetxt and nature of the atrocities commited at the hands of corrupt leaders or even sin itself you always end up with a repsonse like.

Quote
Only a very young mislead RCCer would find meaning in sin contaminted dirt.  Or perhaps the shaman also.

Quote
But its not the apostolic faith. Its vatican propaganda.

When history and Scripture tilt in the favor of my defense you revert to this pathetic state instead of simply saying,"Hey you may have a point but right now my gut is telling me that you only harbor some of the Truth in yoru beliefs and not its entirety."

I would say, "Hey thats fair enough. I kind of get that same vibe with you but at least we're not at each other's throat shouting liar liar liar anymore."

What I have presented is the Truth supported by God's Word and future actions. He will lay watse to this world because of sin contaminates it because Adam, who was given lordship over it, sinned. He's not doing it because He just feels like it or that He hates the earth. Its violated by the sins of the one put over it and therefore will be purified through fire and the New Earth and the New Heaven will descend in its place.

That very same sin is what contaminates our being. We recieve pure life from the Father but, unlike Adam who had a clean body, that life force co mingles with the flesh of a sinful making forming us in a sinful nature.

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Re: The importance of Baptism (infant or adult)
« Reply #42 on: Tue Jan 25, 2011 - 10:07:06 »
Yes but God does not give us our bodies. We inherit our flesh from our ancestors. That flesh is contaminated with sin. Once the sinful flesh of Adam co mingles with the sinless life force of God the result is our birth in which we contract the sinful nature of Adam.

No! No! No!   Absolutely not!  Sin contaminates the spirit; Sin does not contaminate the flesh.  When we are saved, the spirit, not the flesh, is cleansed (1 Pet 3:21).



Calm down I know that.

If you would take a second and look you would realize that you don't disagree with me. Sin contaminates the spirit but it does that through offenses commited through the flesh. The flesh is the how. Once Adam the chief of God;s natural creation and he who was given dominion of the earth sinned, the natural world was engulfed in it.

The physical world is sin stained that is why God charboils the entire thing before He delivers the New Heaven and New Earth. It has become corrupt and sinful and the Fire of God will purify the universe by destroying it.

As man, we get our bodies from the natural world because God took our bodies from the dust of the ground and we inherit such from the seed of Adam. In each individual as with Adam, God gives us life force stemming from Him. The only difference between us and Adam is our bodies. Adam's body was derived from the natural world before it was contaminated by sin so his nature was not corrupted. We on the other hand get our bodies from the contaminated natural world and therefore our nature of righteousness that comes from God's life force germinates and is corrupted by the flesh.

Thus creating man with a sinful nature and the inclination to rebell.

Oh good grief.  You sound like a native shaman.

Only modernist try to rationalize God and make Him sound more "down to earth" and westerny to make Him more comfortable and easy to take in. He is very ethereal and extremely deep and complex. I'm not shocked that the Truth sounds like something not of this world to you as the words of shamans do.


Only a very young mislead RCCer would find meaning in sin contaminted dirt.  Or perhaps the shaman also.

Jimmy do you ever realize that everytime we have a debate of the facts you always end up resorting to nothing more than opinion. We have a debate of attrition to see who's defense is based entirely on facts and everytime you lose. Whether its the history of the Church, the true conetxt and nature of the atrocities commited at the hands of corrupt leaders or even sin itself you always end up with a repsonse like.

Quote
Only a very young mislead RCCer would find meaning in sin contaminted dirt.  Or perhaps the shaman also.

Quote
But its not the apostolic faith. Its vatican propaganda.

When history and Scripture tilt in the favor of my defense you revert to this pathetic state instead of simply saying,"Hey you may have a point but right now my gut is telling me that you only harbor some of the Truth in yoru beliefs and not its entirety."

I would say, "Hey thats fair enough. I kind of get that same vibe with you but at least we're not at each other's throat shouting liar liar liar anymore."

What I have presented is the Truth supported by God's Word and future actions. He will lay watse to this world because of sin contaminates it because Adam, who was given lordship over it, sinned. He's not doing it because He just feels like it or that He hates the earth. Its violated by the sins of the one put over it and therefore will be purified through fire and the New Earth and the New Heaven will descend in its place.

That very same sin is what contaminates our being. We recieve pure life from the Father but, unlike Adam who had a clean body, that life force co mingles with the flesh of a sinful making forming us in a sinful nature.

If you want to believe in sin contaminated dirt that is fine with me.  I have no reason to encourage that nonsense by continuing to discourse with you.  So I won't.

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Re: The importance of Baptism (infant or adult)
« Reply #43 on: Tue Jan 25, 2011 - 10:14:07 »
Yes but God does not give us our bodies. We inherit our flesh from our ancestors. That flesh is contaminated with sin. Once the sinful flesh of Adam co mingles with the sinless life force of God the result is our birth in which we contract the sinful nature of Adam.

No! No! No!   Absolutely not!  Sin contaminates the spirit; Sin does not contaminate the flesh.  When we are saved, the spirit, not the flesh, is cleansed (1 Pet 3:21).



Calm down I know that.

If you would take a second and look you would realize that you don't disagree with me. Sin contaminates the spirit but it does that through offenses commited through the flesh. The flesh is the how. Once Adam the chief of God;s natural creation and he who was given dominion of the earth sinned, the natural world was engulfed in it.

The physical world is sin stained that is why God charboils the entire thing before He delivers the New Heaven and New Earth. It has become corrupt and sinful and the Fire of God will purify the universe by destroying it.

As man, we get our bodies from the natural world because God took our bodies from the dust of the ground and we inherit such from the seed of Adam. In each individual as with Adam, God gives us life force stemming from Him. The only difference between us and Adam is our bodies. Adam's body was derived from the natural world before it was contaminated by sin so his nature was not corrupted. We on the other hand get our bodies from the contaminated natural world and therefore our nature of righteousness that comes from God's life force germinates and is corrupted by the flesh.

Thus creating man with a sinful nature and the inclination to rebell.

Oh good grief.  You sound like a native shaman.

Only modernist try to rationalize God and make Him sound more "down to earth" and westerny to make Him more comfortable and easy to take in. He is very ethereal and extremely deep and complex. I'm not shocked that the Truth sounds like something not of this world to you as the words of shamans do.


Only a very young mislead RCCer would find meaning in sin contaminted dirt.  Or perhaps the shaman also.

Jimmy do you ever realize that everytime we have a debate of the facts you always end up resorting to nothing more than opinion. We have a debate of attrition to see who's defense is based entirely on facts and everytime you lose. Whether its the history of the Church, the true conetxt and nature of the atrocities commited at the hands of corrupt leaders or even sin itself you always end up with a repsonse like.

Quote
Only a very young mislead RCCer would find meaning in sin contaminted dirt.  Or perhaps the shaman also.

Quote
But its not the apostolic faith. Its vatican propaganda.

When history and Scripture tilt in the favor of my defense you revert to this pathetic state instead of simply saying,"Hey you may have a point but right now my gut is telling me that you only harbor some of the Truth in yoru beliefs and not its entirety."

I would say, "Hey thats fair enough. I kind of get that same vibe with you but at least we're not at each other's throat shouting liar liar liar anymore."

What I have presented is the Truth supported by God's Word and future actions. He will lay watse to this world because of sin contaminates it because Adam, who was given lordship over it, sinned. He's not doing it because He just feels like it or that He hates the earth. Its violated by the sins of the one put over it and therefore will be purified through fire and the New Earth and the New Heaven will descend in its place.

That very same sin is what contaminates our being. We recieve pure life from the Father but, unlike Adam who had a clean body, that life force co mingles with the flesh of a sinful making forming us in a sinful nature.

If you want to believe in sin contaminated dirt that is fine with me.  I have no reason to encourage that nonsense by continuing to discourse with you.  So I won't.

So I guess you deny that the natural world is corrupted with sin? You know what nevermind. You have procceeded to dumb down my bliefs with your pathetic "contaminated dirt" remark so its obvious that you are incapable of taking that the step into a deep insight of the things of God.

Not that it is of any consequence to a modernist. All you guys care about is getting your stinking foot in the door of Heaven and next to pudding about getting indepth into the wonder of God. All I have ever from you guys is," If its not necessary for salvation then why bother".

Such narrowminded selfishness. No respect for the deeper understandings of God.

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Re: The importance of Baptism (infant or adult)
« Reply #44 on: Tue Jan 25, 2011 - 13:30:45 »
Contaminated natural world instead of contaminated dirt is the deeper understandings of God?

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Re: The importance of Baptism (infant or adult)
« Reply #45 on: Tue Jan 25, 2011 - 14:16:08 »
Contaminated natural world instead of contaminated dirt is the deeper understandings of God?

 rofl

Don't be so blinded. Sin spread like wild fire over all of creation after Adam fell. Why do you think God is going to ignite this world in the fire of His Wrath? The trees you see, the atmosphere we breath, the water, the ground everything around you, nature herself will be engulfed in the all consuming rage of God. Why do you think that is? What did the physical world ever do against God? Nothing. The target is not the earth no more than it is the sinner who is cast into the lake of fire. The target is sin and it always has been. That is why God's Wrath has been postponed from the beginning of the fall of man. He wishes to separate His beloved from the sin He is going to destroy. Everything with the stain of sin will be caught up in the storm of God's Wrath without mercy or exception. That is why this natural world will fade in fire and something New (holy fresh sinless) will be established in its place.


Get a clue.
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