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The Plumbob
« on: Wed Jan 27, 2016 - 14:42:36 »
Irenaeus said the following in Against Heresies (Book 3, Chapter 1)

Quote
  "We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scrip-tures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith."

In Chapter 2, he goes on to show how the Gnostics devalue those Scriptures:

"When, however, they are confuted from the Scriptures, they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition. For [they allege] that the truth was not delivered by means of written documents,
but viva voce...". 

Paul Writes
2 Tim. 2:15
Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing
{#3718} the word of truth

#3718
from a compound of 3717 and the base of 5114;

to cut straight, to cut straight ways
1a) to proceed on straight paths, hold a straight course, equiv. to doing right
2) to make straight and smooth, to handle aright, to teach the truth directly and correctly

#3717
level or direct: straight, upright.

Amos 7:7
Thus he shewed me: and, behold,
the Lord stood upon a wall
made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand.
8 And the LORD said unto me,
Amos,
what seest thou ??????
And I said,
A plumbline.

Then said the Lord, Behold,
I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel:


Isaiah 28:17
Judgment also will I lay to the line,
and righteousness to the plummet

or too  The Plumbob
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies,
and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand


A "Plumb-Bob" -- "A Plumb-Line" and a "Story Pole" are
???  ???
When building a Building,
A"Story Pole" is set,
then a Plummet or Plumb-Bob is hung from that pole,
by a Plumb-Line,
and everything is measured from that line and Plumb-Bob,
vertical, level, degrees of angles and distance, even the elevation,
"On Grade", slope of the ground and foundations laid,
and it is that
Story-Pole; Plummet and Plumb-Bob
that tells the story, whether that building is
"On the level" or "Plumb"
so to speak

Rock or Sand
Matt.7:24
Therefore whosoever
heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them,
I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock
:
25  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house; and it fell not:
for it was founded upon a rock.


26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine,
and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man,
which built his house upon the sand,

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and great was the fall of it.


ie:
Isaiah 28:17
......
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies,
and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand


27  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand

and it fell:
and it fell,
and great was the fall of it.


Acts 20:25
Paul says Farewell to the church of Ephesus
Paul won't be there to guide them anymore
And now, behold, I know that ye all,
among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God,
shall see my face no more


-----

32 And now, brethren, I commend you
---{entrust, place into the care of}--
to God,
and to the word.of his grace,
which is able to build you up,
and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.



Paul Says;
And now, brethren, I commend you
---{entrust, place into the care of}--
#1: to God,
#2: and to the word. of his grace,
which is able to build you up,
and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.


Amos Ch. 7
Then said the Lord, Behold,
I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel
:
and Scripture tells us What that Plumbline is


The "Word of God" we are to read, Study, meditate upon, and build our House upon the Rock
Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing {#3718} the word of truth.
as Christ Saith
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them,
I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
For it, The Word of God,
is that "Plumb-Bob, Plum-Line"
that will "Tell the Story" whether your house is "On the Level" "Plumb and straight
if not, then this is your house of Cards
as Paul Saith
 ::preachit:: profane and vain babblings  ::preachit::,
for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand

and it fell:
and it fell,
and great was the fall of it.


____________________________________________ ____________________________

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling,
and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
To the only wise God our Saviour,
be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever.
Amen.



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Re: The Plumbob
« Reply #1 on: Thu Jan 28, 2016 - 04:19:56 »
Irenaeus said the following in Against Heresies (Book 3, Chapter 1)

Quote
  "We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scrip-tures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith."

In Chapter 2, he goes on to show how the Gnostics devalue those Scriptures:

"When, however, they are confuted from the Scriptures, they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition. For [they allege] that the truth was not delivered by means of written documents,
but viva voce...". 

Paul Writes
2 Tim. 2:15
Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing
{#3718} the word of truth

#3718
from a compound of 3717 and the base of 5114;

to cut straight, to cut straight ways
1a) to proceed on straight paths, hold a straight course, equiv. to doing right
2) to make straight and smooth, to handle aright, to teach the truth directly and correctly

#3717
level or direct: straight, upright.

Amos 7:7
Thus he shewed me: and, behold,
the Lord stood upon a wall
made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand.
8 And the LORD said unto me,
Amos,
what seest thou ??? ???
And I said,
A plumbline.

Then said the Lord, Behold,
I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel:


Isaiah 28:17
Judgment also will I lay to the line,
and righteousness to the plummet

or too  The Plumbob
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies,
and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand


A "Plumb-Bob" -- "A Plumb-Line" and a "Story Pole" are
 ??? ???
When building a Building,
A"Story Pole" is set,
then a Plummet or Plumb-Bob is hung from that pole,
by a Plumb-Line,
and everything is measured from that line and Plumb-Bob,
vertical, level, degrees of angles and distance, even the elevation,
"On Grade", slope of the ground and foundations laid,
and it is that
Story-Pole; Plummet and Plumb-Bob
that tells the story, whether that building is
"On the level" or "Plumb"
so to speak

Rock or Sand
Matt.7:24
Therefore whosoever
heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them,
I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock
:
25  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house; and it fell not:
for it was founded upon a rock.


26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine,
and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man,
which built his house upon the sand,

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and great was the fall of it.


ie:
Isaiah 28:17
......
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies,
and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand


27  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand

and it fell:
and it fell,
and great was the fall of it.


Acts 20:25
Paul says Farewell to the church of Ephesus
Paul won't be there to guide them anymore
And now, behold, I know that ye all,
among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God,
shall see my face no more


-----

32 And now, brethren, I commend you
---{entrust, place into the care of}--
to God,
and to the word.of his grace,
which is able to build you up,
and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.



Paul Says;
And now, brethren, I commend you
---{entrust, place into the care of}--
#1: to God,
#2: and to the word. of his grace,
which is able to build you up,
and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.


Amos Ch. 7
Then said the Lord, Behold,
I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel
:
and Scripture tells us What that Plumbline is


The "Word of God" we are to read, Study, meditate upon, and build our House upon the Rock
Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing {#3718} the word of truth.
as Christ Saith
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them,
I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
For it, The Word of God,
is that "Plumb-Bob, Plum-Line"
that will "Tell the Story" whether your house is "On the Level" "Plumb and straight
if not, then this is your house of Cards
as Paul Saith
 ::preachit:: profane and vain babblings  ::preachit:: ,
for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand

and it fell:
and it fell,
and great was the fall of it.


____________________________________________ ____________________________

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling,
and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
To the only wise God our Saviour,
be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever.
Amen.



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 "do not babble like the pagans, who think that they will be heard because of their many words" (Mt 6:7)

 

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Re: The Plumbob
« Reply #1 on: Thu Jan 28, 2016 - 04:19:56 »

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Winsome, not exactly what that verse was talking about. .

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Applicable though!

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« Reply #4 on: Thu Jan 28, 2016 - 10:45:02 »
Irenaeus said the following in Against Heresies (Book 3, Chapter 1)

Quote
  "We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scrip-tures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith."

In Chapter 2, he goes on to show how the Gnostics devalue those Scriptures:

"When, however, they are confuted from the Scriptures, they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition. For [they allege] that the truth was not delivered by means of written documents,
but viva voce...". 

Quite the spin you put on this, in an apparent attempt to justify sola scriptura.  Let's parse Iranaeus' first statement and compare to scripture:

"We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scrip-tures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith."

None others: in context, a rejection of the alternate gospel that the Gnostics were trying to push.

None others.. than from those whom the Gospel has come down to us: these are the subject of the sentence.  What Iranaeus is speaking about is the Oral transmission of the Gospel, aka, Sacred Tradition.

later... in the Scriptures: the second part of the deposit of faith, which followed Sacred Tradition, which are the Sacred Scriptures.

to be the ground and pillar of our faith.  Iranaeus is speaking of the gospel message present in both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scriptures, and is hearkening back to this statement in the scriptures: 1 Tim 3:15 ~ "if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
"

Here Iranaeus is emphasizing that the Gospel comes through the Church, and not the Gnostic heretics.  The Church is, according to scripture, the "pillar and foundation" or "ground and pillar" of the truth (about Jesus, aka our faith).

Furthermore, the Church, as you imply, doesn't devalue the scriptures, but holds them as inerrantly true.  The Gnostics had their own "secret knowledge" which was a subsitute for Sacred Tradition, which is the oral teachings of the apostles (To which Iranaeus was directly taught).  Reading further in chapter 2 of this same work:

Quote
2.2. But, again, when we refer them to that tradition which originates from the apostles, [and] which is preserved by means of the succession of presbyters in the Churches, they object to tradition, saying that they themselves are wiser not merely than the presbyters, but even than the apostles, because they have discovered the unadulterated truth. For [they maintain] that the apostles intermingled the things of the law with the words of the Saviour; and that not the apostles alone, but even the Lord Himself, spoke as at one time from the Demiurge, at another from the intermediate place, and yet again from the Pleroma, but that they themselves, indubitably, unsulliedly, and purely, have knowledge of the hidden mystery: this is, indeed, to blaspheme their Creator after a most impudent manner! It comes to this, therefore, that these men do now consent neither to Scripture nor to tradition.

This pretty much torpedoes all of what you have attempted to say on this Catholic forum so far.

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« Reply #5 on: Thu Jan 28, 2016 - 11:16:47 »



Quote
  "We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scrip-tures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith."

In Chapter 2, he goes on to show how the Gnostics devalue those Scriptures:

"When, however, they are confuted from the Scriptures, they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition. For [they allege] that the truth was not delivered by means of written documents,
but viva voce...". 

This pretty much torpedoes all of what you have attempted to say on this Catholic forum so far.

ie:In Chapter 2, he goes on to show how the Gnostics devalue those Scriptures:

Nope; it doesn't "Torpedo anything;
in fact; just another example of what I have been saying
ie:
"......they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition....."

Now don't try to tell us you do not believe this
"....and that the truth cannot be extracted from them (The Scriptures)  by those who are
::preachit:: ignorant of tradition.....
  ::preachit::"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling,
and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
To the only wise God our Saviour,
be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever.
Amen.


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« Reply #6 on: Thu Jan 28, 2016 - 11:26:16 »



Quote
  "We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scrip-tures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith."

In Chapter 2, he goes on to show how the Gnostics devalue those Scriptures:

"When, however, they are confuted from the Scriptures, they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition. For [they allege] that the truth was not delivered by means of written documents,
but viva voce...". 

This pretty much torpedoes all of what you have attempted to say on this Catholic forum so far.

ie:In Chapter 2, he goes on to show how the Gnostics devalue those Scriptures:

Nope; it doesn't "Torpedo anything;
in fact; just another example of what I have been saying
ie:
"......they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition....."

Now don't try to tell us you do not believe this
"....and that the truth cannot be extracted from them (The Scriptures)  by those who are
::preachit:: ignorant of tradition.....
  ::preachit::"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling,
and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
To the only wise God our Saviour,
be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever.
Amen.


 ::eatingpopcorn:

Yes, but continue reading.  Don't you read the original documents?  Or is this just a regurgitation?

2.1. When, however, they are confuted from the Scriptures, they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition. For [they allege] that the truth was not delivered by means of written documents, but vivâ voce: wherefore also Paul declared, "But we speak wisdom among those that are perfect, but not the wisdom of this world." And this wisdom each one of them alleges to be the fiction of his own inventing, forsooth;..

2.2. But, again, when we refer them to that tradition which originates from the apostles, [and] which is preserved by means of the succession of presbyters in the Churches, they object to tradition, saying that they themselves are wiser not merely than the presbyters, but even than the apostles, because they have discovered the unadulterated truth. For [they maintain] that the apostles intermingled the things of the law with the words of the Saviour; and that not the apostles alone, but even the Lord Himself, spoke as at one time from the Demiurge, at another from the intermediate place, and yet again from the Pleroma, but that they themselves, indubitably, unsulliedly, and purely, have knowledge of the hidden mystery: this is, indeed, to blaspheme their Creator after a most impudent manner! It comes to this, therefore, that these men do now consent neither to Scripture nor to tradition.

Tradition is a real thing, that needs to be conformed to, just as the Scriptures are.
Apostolic Succession is a real thing, believed by the early Church.
Irenaeus rejects the false tradition of the Gnostics in favor of 1) Sacred Scripture and 2) the Sacred Tradition coming from the apostles.

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« Reply #7 on: Thu Jan 28, 2016 - 11:38:32 »
While we're at it, let's continue reading and see what Irenaeus has to say:

2.3. Such are the adversaries with whom we have to deal, my very dear friend, endeavouring like slippery serpents to escape at all points...
3.1. It is within the power of all, therefore, in every Church, who may wish to see the truth, to contemplate clearly the tradition of the apostles manifested throughout the whole world; and we are in a position to reckon up those who were by the apostles instituted bishops in the Churches, and [to demonstrate] the succession of these men to our own times; those who neither taught nor knew of anything like what these [heretics] rave about. For if the apostles had known hidden mysteries, which they were in the habit of imparting to "the perfect" apart and privily from the rest, they would have delivered them especially to those to whom they were also committing the Churches themselves. For they were desirous that these men should be very perfect and blameless in all things, whom also they were leaving behind as their successors, delivering up their own place of government to these men; which men, if they discharged their functions honestly, would be a great boon [to the Church], but if they should fall away, the direst calamity.
3.2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say, ] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre-eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.

This is Irenaeus, who learned from Polycarp, who was a disciple of John the Apostle.  This is written early second century.  This writing has been preserved by Christians for ages.  Don't try to spin it against itself.  It won't work.

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« Reply #8 on: Thu Jan 28, 2016 - 12:27:03 »
Irenaeus said the following in Against Heresies (Book 3, Chapter 1)

Quote
  "We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scrip-tures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith."

In Chapter 2, he goes on to show how the Gnostics devalue those Scriptures:

"When, however, they are confuted from the Scriptures, they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition. For [they allege] that the truth was not delivered by means of written documents,
but viva voce...". 

Paul Writes
2 Tim. 2:15
Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing
{#3718} the word of truth

#3718
from a compound of 3717 and the base of 5114;

to cut straight, to cut straight ways
1a) to proceed on straight paths, hold a straight course, equiv. to doing right
2) to make straight and smooth, to handle aright, to teach the truth directly and correctly

#3717
level or direct: straight, upright.

Amos 7:7
Thus he shewed me: and, behold,
the Lord stood upon a wall
made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand.
8 And the LORD said unto me,
Amos,
what seest thou ??? ???
And I said,
A plumbline.

Then said the Lord, Behold,
I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel:


Isaiah 28:17
Judgment also will I lay to the line,
and righteousness to the plummet

or too  The Plumbob
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies,
and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand


A "Plumb-Bob" -- "A Plumb-Line" and a "Story Pole" are
 ??? ???
When building a Building,
A"Story Pole" is set,
then a Plummet or Plumb-Bob is hung from that pole,
by a Plumb-Line,
and everything is measured from that line and Plumb-Bob,
vertical, level, degrees of angles and distance, even the elevation,
"On Grade", slope of the ground and foundations laid,
and it is that
Story-Pole; Plummet and Plumb-Bob
that tells the story, whether that building is
"On the level" or "Plumb"
so to speak

Rock or Sand
Matt.7:24
Therefore whosoever
heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them,
I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock
:
25  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house; and it fell not:
for it was founded upon a rock.


26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine,
and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man,
which built his house upon the sand,

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and great was the fall of it.


ie:
Isaiah 28:17
......
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies,
and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand


27  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand

and it fell:
and it fell,
and great was the fall of it.


Acts 20:25
Paul says Farewell to the church of Ephesus
Paul won't be there to guide them anymore
And now, behold, I know that ye all,
among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God,
shall see my face no more


-----

32 And now, brethren, I commend you
---{entrust, place into the care of}--
to God,
and to the word.of his grace,
which is able to build you up,
and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.



Paul Says;
And now, brethren, I commend you
---{entrust, place into the care of}--
#1: to God,
#2: and to the word. of his grace,
which is able to build you up,
and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.


Amos Ch. 7
Then said the Lord, Behold,
I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel
:
and Scripture tells us What that Plumbline is


The "Word of God" we are to read, Study, meditate upon, and build our House upon the Rock
Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing {#3718} the word of truth.
as Christ Saith
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them,
I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
For it, The Word of God,
is that "Plumb-Bob, Plum-Line"
that will "Tell the Story" whether your house is "On the Level" "Plumb and straight
if not, then this is your house of Cards
as Paul Saith
 ::preachit:: profane and vain babblings  ::preachit:: ,
for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand

and it fell:
and it fell,
and great was the fall of it.


____________________________________________ ____________________________

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling,
and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
To the only wise God our Saviour,
be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever.
Amen.



 ::eatingpopcorn:

 "do not babble like the pagans, who think that they will be heard because of their many words" (Mt 6:7)


I take it, you haven't read any of the Popes Encyclicals lately.

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Re: The Plumbob
« Reply #9 on: Tue Feb 02, 2016 - 11:29:46 »
Ya know;
 you are so correct, I see it all now
 let's see; he wrote
We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation,
 than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us
,
I assume he in referring to the Apostles
 which they (the Apostles) did at one time proclaim in public,
 and, at a later period, by the will of God,
 handed down to us
in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith."
(St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies, Book III Ch.1)
----or----
which they (the Apostles) did at one time proclaim (Oral Teaching / Preaching) in public,
 and, at a later period, by the will of God,
 handed down to us
in the Scriptures, (Letters / Writing ) to be the ground and pillar of our faith."

 You are so right;
in the Scriptures, (Letters / Writing ) to be the ground and pillar of our faith
 How did I miss that
???   ???

 Why did the Apostles see a need to put it in Writing or the Written Letter
???  ???
 because of too much of this going around
John 22:22
 Jesus saith to him: (Peter )
So I will have him to remain till I come, what is it to thee?
Peter, don't worry about John, you just do as I told you too do
follow thou me.
23 This saying therefore went abroad among the brethren,
 that that disciple should not die.
 Jesus did not say to him: He should not die; but
,
 ----- but ----
So I will have him to remain till I come, what is it to thee?
 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition

 did you catch that
 ie: This saying therefore went abroad among the brethren,
 that that disciple should not die.

 -- But that is not what Christ said --
 "Jesus did not say to him: He should not die; but,
----- but ---- "

 Too many of the 1st day church did not get it correct;
 but went forth teaching it anyway
 ::preachit::
 ie: This saying therefore went abroad among the brethren
 so much for all that
 ::preachit:: --"ORAL TRADITIONS"----  ::preachit::


 do you know that "Theophilus" is not only a name but also
a "TITLE" a job description
" ----- one of the bridegroom's (Christ) friends who on his (Christ) behalf asked for
 (or made arrangements )
 for the hand of the bride and rendered him (The Bridegroom)various services in closing
 the marriage and celebrating the nuptials
"

 That is one of the reasons that Luke writes to Theophilus
Luke 1:3
3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first,
to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things,
 wherein thou hast been instructed.


 ie: so Theophilus of the church  "mightest know the certainty of those things"
 which he / they would teach / tell / instruct the Bride / Church of Christ in

 
 Put away the "--- many books ---" written by the Theolgians
 Dust off your Bible
 Get yourself a good Hebrew and a Greek Dictionary
 and get some real Learning in the School of Christ
 lest ye be as Peter says
 "which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest,
 as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction
."
 and you won't be so Igornant in these things
____________________________________________ _____________

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling,
and to present you faultless
before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
To the only wise God our Saviour,
be glory and majesty, dominion and power,
both now and ever. Amen.

 ::eatingpopcorn:
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Re: The Plumbob
« Reply #10 on: Tue Feb 02, 2016 - 12:01:20 »
Amos 7:7
Thus he shewed me: and, behold,
the Lord stood upon a wall
made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand.
8 And the LORD said unto me,
Amos,
what seest thou ??????
And I said,
A plumbline.

Then said the Lord, Behold,
I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel:


Isaiah 28:17
Judgment also will I lay to the line,
and righteousness to the plummet

or too  The Plumbob
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies,
and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand



Rev.6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.


Is. 28:15
Because ye have said,
We have made a covenant with death,
and with hell are we at agreement;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
it shall not come unto us:
for we have made lies our refuge,
and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:


18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand

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