The ROOT of our differences is the AUTHORITY we claim.....

[winsome]

That doesn't disagree with anything I have said to this point...  I have no problem acknowledging that Mary was blessed.. but that is as far as it goes.

YOU-"but it does not make her any different from any other woman that has ever lived in the eyes of God."

God="Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women"

ME-   Uhhh, huh?

It's interesting (and telling) that you skipped 20 verses to make your point though..

Why is that interesting?

I also have a problem with you calling the scriptures Holy... obviously you haven't read your scriptures much.

For God alone is Holy... and the scriptures are not God.

"By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it Holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done." (Genesis 2:2-3

There goes that theory....and that is just starting with Genesis.  Shall we list all of the things besides God that the Bible calls "Holy"?  There are allot of them.

But in Revelations it says that God alone is Holy... period.

The seventh day is not a thing..

but, as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct, for it is written, “Be holy because I (am) holy.” (1Pet1:15-16)
Why would God tell us to be holy if it were not possible because only God is holy?

But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people of his own, so that you may announce the praises” of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. (1Pet:2:9)
Why does Peter call us a holy nation if only God is holy?

We ourselves heard this voice come from heaven while we were with him on the holy mountain (1 Pet 1:18)
Why is the mountain holy if only God is holy? And isn't a mountain a thing?

recall the words previously spoken by the holy prophet (1Pet 3:2)
Why does Peter call the prophet holy if only God is holy?

etc. etc.


You talk nonesense Tantor

[Tantor]

Because God alone deems what is Holy.. only he has that right.

It is nonsense for man to take away that right from God.

[desertknight]

I also have a problem with you calling the scriptures Holy

Is not God's Word, "Holy"?   Your saying God is holy, but His Word is not?  You've lost me, Tantor.  That belief holds no water with any Christian tradition that I can think of.

[winsome]

Because God alone deems what is Holy.. only he has that right.

It is nonsense for man to take away that right from God.

In your opinion.

You provide no evidence for such a view.

Please quote scripture.

[mclees8]

The big deception started in the 16th century when “Reformers” broke away from Christ’s Church and started their own. They listened to the same lie that Satan whispered into Eve’s ear in the Garden of Eden – be your own god, you decide what’s right and wrong; you decide how you want to worship God. So they started their own churches, thousands of them, from the bigger congregations like Lutherans, Anglicans, Calvanists, Methodists, Baptists, Pentecostals, SDAs, Plymouth Brethren, Anabaptist, etc, (and all the sub divisions within them) to the one-off one pastor church.  Protestantism has absorbed the three great deceptive philosophies of the modern age – Individualism, Minimalism and Materialism - and embedded it into its doctrines.

Individualism – their version of Christianity is all about my personal relationship with Christ and my personal interpretation of scripture.

Minimalism  - they have rejected the Sacraments, the liturgical aseembly, noble works, etc in favour of OSAS, so once they have accepted Jesus as “personal Lord and Saviour” – that’s it.

Materialism – as evidenced by prosperity gospel, mega churches that are more like pop concert venues that places for worshipping God, slick presentations instead of liturgies.

No, not all Protestants embrace all of these fully. They are such a disparate fractured movement. There is little they can all agree on.

We need to keep the record straight. It is true that denominationalism is confussion, but confussion started with the Papacy. The corruption is on both sides of the river. Its Christianity as a whole that is so out of touch. I see the church is in the valley of confusion and the river of confusion runs through it corrupting both banks.

You need to leave the valley and climb up the mountain and see the valley from Gods view. Once you sees truly what Satan has accomplished you will not be able to go back to the valley again.  I believe Jesus still weeps

God bless.

 

You think St. Peter was confused ? 

No not at all. How about you?

[mclees8]

That doesn't disagree with anything I have said to this point...  I have no problem acknowledging that Mary was blessed.. but that is as far as it goes.

YOU-"but it does not make her any different from any other woman that has ever lived in the eyes of God."

God="Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women"

ME-   Uhhh, huh?

It's interesting (and telling) that you skipped 20 verses to make your point though..

Why is that interesting?

I also have a problem with you calling the scriptures Holy... obviously you haven't read your scriptures much.

For God alone is Holy... and the scriptures are not God.

"By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it Holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done." (Genesis 2:2-3

There goes that theory....and that is just starting with Genesis.  Shall we list all of the things besides God that the Bible calls "Holy"?  There are allot of them.

But in Revelations it says that God alone is Holy... period.

The seventh day is not a thing..

but, as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct, for it is written, “Be holy because I (am) holy.” (1Pet1:15-16)
Why would God tell us to be holy if it were not possible because only God is holy?

But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people of his own, so that you may announce the praises” of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. (1Pet:2:9)
Why does Peter call us a holy nation if only God is holy?

We ourselves heard this voice come from heaven while we were with him on the holy mountain (1 Pet 1:18)
Why is the mountain holy if only God is holy? And isn't a mountain a thing?

recall the words previously spoken by the holy prophet (1Pet 3:2)
Why does Peter call the prophet holy if only God is holy?

etc. etc.


You talk nonesense Tantor

I agree with you Winsome. scripture does support that w are to be Holy. We have been sanctified   as to be made Holy. cleansed from our sins. We are also to be set apart as a holy people. Yet something troubles me. I know I should be holy but I know that in and as of myself i know that I do not live up to Holyness. A state of holyness is purity as being perfect. Are any of us Perfect to be called Holy. Its almost a catch 22. were the prophets perfect? Is the pope perfect and sinless. Scripture says there is none righteous. no not even one. I have not yet met one perfect yet Peter declares we are to be Holy. ??

[Tantor]

I also have a problem with you calling the scriptures Holy

Is not God's Word, "Holy"?   Your saying God is holy, but His Word is not?  You've lost me, Tantor.  That belief holds no water with any Christian tradition that I can think of.

Because the bible is hearsay... it's taking someones word for it.  God never promised to preserve his scriptures and we know there are problems with various NT bible chapters.

If it were truly Holy, God would have taken a lot better means to preserve it.

It's interesting that even at it's most basic level.. the Catholic Church has failed in it's mandate to teach what the Apostles taught and carry the tradition forward... of all the sources of tradition.. the scriptures are without a doubt the most important.. and they did such a horrible job of maintaining it throughout the centuries.

It;s sad.

[mclees8]

I also have a problem with you calling the scriptures Holy

Is not God's Word, "Holy"?   Your saying God is holy, but His Word is not?  You've lost me, Tantor.  That belief holds no water with any Christian tradition that I can think of.

Because the bible is hearsay... it's taking someones word for it.  God never promised to preserve his scriptures and we know there are problems with various NT bible chapters.

If it were truly Holy, God would have taken a lot better means to preserve it.

It's interesting that even at it's most basic level.. the Catholic Church has failed in it's mandate to teach what the Apostles taught and carry the tradition forward... of all the sources of tradition.. the scriptures are without a doubt the most important.. and they did such a horrible job of maintaining it throughout the centuries.

It;s sad.

Just what is that you do believe.  The bible says without faith it is impossible to please god yet you would trash the one book that gives us faith and Hope

Thats whats sad

[Tantor]

I also have a problem with you calling the scriptures Holy

Is not God's Word, "Holy"?   Your saying God is holy, but His Word is not?  You've lost me, Tantor.  That belief holds no water with any Christian tradition that I can think of.

Because the bible is hearsay... it's taking someones word for it.  God never promised to preserve his scriptures and we know there are problems with various NT bible chapters.

If it were truly Holy, God would have taken a lot better means to preserve it.

It's interesting that even at it's most basic level.. the Catholic Church has failed in it's mandate to teach what the Apostles taught and carry the tradition forward... of all the sources of tradition.. the scriptures are without a doubt the most important.. and they did such a horrible job of maintaining it throughout the centuries.

It;s sad.

Just what is that you do believe.  The bible says without faith it is impossible to please god yet you would trash the one book that gives us faith and Hope

Thats whats sad

What is sad is that you put your faith in a book and a church instead of God himself and his work on the cross... truly sad.

You are like doubting Thomas.

[winsome]

That doesn't disagree with anything I have said to this point...  I have no problem acknowledging that Mary was blessed.. but that is as far as it goes.

YOU-"but it does not make her any different from any other woman that has ever lived in the eyes of God."

God="Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women"

ME-   Uhhh, huh?

It's interesting (and telling) that you skipped 20 verses to make your point though..

Why is that interesting?

I also have a problem with you calling the scriptures Holy... obviously you haven't read your scriptures much.

For God alone is Holy... and the scriptures are not God.

"By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it Holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done." (Genesis 2:2-3

There goes that theory....and that is just starting with Genesis.  Shall we list all of the things besides God that the Bible calls "Holy"?  There are allot of them.

But in Revelations it says that God alone is Holy... period.

The seventh day is not a thing..

but, as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct, for it is written, “Be holy because I (am) holy.” (1Pet1:15-16)
Why would God tell us to be holy if it were not possible because only God is holy?

But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people of his own, so that you may announce the praises” of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. (1Pet:2:9)
Why does Peter call us a holy nation if only God is holy?

We ourselves heard this voice come from heaven while we were with him on the holy mountain (1 Pet 1:18)
Why is the mountain holy if only God is holy? And isn't a mountain a thing?

recall the words previously spoken by the holy prophet (1Pet 3:2)
Why does Peter call the prophet holy if only God is holy?

etc. etc.


You talk nonesense Tantor

I agree with you Winsome. scripture does support that w are to be Holy. We have been sanctified   as to be made Holy. cleansed from our sins. We are also to be set apart as a holy people. Yet something troubles me. I know I should be holy but I know that in and as of myself i know that I do not live up to Holyness. A state of holyness is purity as being perfect. Are any of us Perfect to be called Holy. Its almost a catch 22. were the prophets perfect? Is the pope perfect and sinless. Scripture says there is none righteous. no not even one. I have not yet met one perfect yet Peter declares we are to be Holy. ??

We are striving to be holy and perfect.

I don't believe in OSAS, or that we are made perfect and stay that way.

We fall, we get up again. We fall, we get up again. We fall, we get up again.........

[mclees8]

That doesn't disagree with anything I have said to this point...  I have no problem acknowledging that Mary was blessed.. but that is as far as it goes.

YOU-"but it does not make her any different from any other woman that has ever lived in the eyes of God."

God="Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women"

ME-   Uhhh, huh?

It's interesting (and telling) that you skipped 20 verses to make your point though..

Why is that interesting?

I also have a problem with you calling the scriptures Holy... obviously you haven't read your scriptures much.

For God alone is Holy... and the scriptures are not God.

"By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it Holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done." (Genesis 2:2-3

There goes that theory....and that is just starting with Genesis.  Shall we list all of the things besides God that the Bible calls "Holy"?  There are allot of them.

But in Revelations it says that God alone is Holy... period.

The seventh day is not a thing..

but, as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct, for it is written, “Be holy because I (am) holy.” (1Pet1:15-16)
Why would God tell us to be holy if it were not possible because only God is holy?

But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people of his own, so that you may announce the praises” of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. (1Pet:2:9)
Why does Peter call us a holy nation if only God is holy?

We ourselves heard this voice come from heaven while we were with him on the holy mountain (1 Pet 1:18)
Why is the mountain holy if only God is holy? And isn't a mountain a thing?

recall the words previously spoken by the holy prophet (1Pet 3:2)
Why does Peter call the prophet holy if only God is holy?

etc. etc.


You talk nonesense Tantor

I agree with you Winsome. scripture does support that w are to be Holy. We have been sanctified   as to be made Holy. cleansed from our sins. We are also to be set apart as a holy people. Yet something troubles me. I know I should be holy but I know that in and as of myself i know that I do not live up to Holyness. A state of holyness is purity as being perfect. Are any of us Perfect to be called Holy. Its almost a catch 22. were the prophets perfect? Is the pope perfect and sinless. Scripture says there is none righteous. no not even one. I have not yet met one perfect yet Peter declares we are to be Holy. ??

We are striving to be holy and perfect.

I don't believe in OSAS, or that we are made perfect and stay that way.

We fall, we get up again. We fall, we get up again. We fall, we get up again.........

Thank you Winsome that is just whaty I was thinking.
Go bless