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Tomb and womb
« on: Sat Sep 12, 2015 - 15:09:19 »
why is the tomb that bore Him more venerated than the womb that bore Him - wincam

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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #1 on: Sat Sep 12, 2015 - 16:00:53 »
Is it?I dont think either should be venerated.

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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #2 on: Sat Sep 12, 2015 - 17:20:13 »
Both were places of miracles, but after the fact became just ordinary places serving both geological and natural purposes, in that order.

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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #3 on: Sat Sep 12, 2015 - 17:47:48 »
It doesn't.  Its what God did in spite of Christ being entombed.

He LIVES! That is the miracle, not the place that brought Him, nor the place that held Him.

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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #4 on: Sun Sep 13, 2015 - 05:05:00 »
lest we glibly choose to forget "holy is the womb that bore Thee"[Lk.11:27] and blessed are they that hear this as the word of God and keep it - wincam
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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #5 on: Sun Sep 13, 2015 - 09:36:24 »
lest we glibly choose to forget "holy is the womb that bore Thee"[Lk.11:27] and blessed are they that hear this as the word of God and keep it - wincam

Nowhere does it say to venerate it...just that she was blessed to be the vehicle through which Christ in human form came near.

She was blessed in that she was chosen, but not to be set on a pedestal.  She was just like us, a person who loved God and desired to do His will, but a sinner in need of her Savior.

I was also blessed to be given the title mother, you, I am sure, are blessed to be given the gifts God bestows upon you as well.

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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #6 on: Sun Sep 13, 2015 - 12:47:28 »
imho - it seems some cannot and will not see that wonderful as it is there must be a vast difference between the womb that bore you and I and the womb that bore the very son of God - what many Christians cannot see and/or accept was clearly seen by a non Christian - a shame on Christians - so here it is again as accepted by the very son from that blessed womb viz "blessed is the womb that bore thee and the son from that very womb replied "blessed are they that hear[this] as the word of God and keep it" - wincam   
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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #7 on: Sun Sep 13, 2015 - 13:36:44 »
imho - it seems some cannot and will not see that wonderful as it is there must be a vast difference between the womb that bore you and the womb that bore the very son of God - what many Christians cannot see and/or accept was clearly seen by a non Christian - a shame on Christians - so here it is again as accepted by the very son from that blessed womb viz "blessed is the womb that bore thee and the son fro that very womb replied "blessed are they that hear[this] as the word of God and keep it" - wincam
 


Please put that verse in context.
Luke 11:27-28New International Version (NIV)

27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”
28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

Jesus spoke the truth.

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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #8 on: Sun Sep 13, 2015 - 15:17:22 »
imho - it seems some cannot and will not see that wonderful as it is there must be a vast difference between the womb that bore you and the womb that bore the very son of God - what many Christians cannot see and/or accept was clearly seen by a non Christian - a shame on Christians - so here it is again as accepted by the very son from that blessed womb viz "blessed is the womb that bore thee and the son fro that very womb replied "blessed are they that hear[this] as the word of God and keep it" - wincam

I think it a shame to worship the vehicle rather than the Christ.

Would you worship the little car thingie that carries your Pope?  Why not? He is brought in by that vehicle.

As Chosen said, you need to keep scripture in context.

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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #9 on: Sun Sep 13, 2015 - 16:37:58 »
imho - it seems some cannot and will not see that wonderful as it is there must be a vast difference between the womb that bore you and the womb that bore the very son of God - what many Christians cannot see and/or accept was clearly seen by a non Christian - a shame on Christians - so here it is again as accepted by the very son from that blessed womb viz "blessed is the womb that bore thee and the son fro that very womb replied "blessed are they that hear[this] as the word of God and keep it" - wincam

I think it a shame to worship the vehicle rather than the Christ.

Would you worship the little car thingie that carries your Pope?  Why not? He is brought in by that vehicle.

As Chosen said, you need to keep scripture in context.


of course most other Christians have been indoctrinated and really do accept that Catholics worship Mary and not Christ viz the creature and not her creator viz that the mother's hands holding Him and held by Him were created by Him - whatever are you talking about the car thingy and the Pope - wincam

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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #10 on: Sun Sep 13, 2015 - 16:49:09 »
lest we glibly choose to forget "holy is the womb that bore Thee"[Lk.11:27] and blessed are they that hear this as the word of God and keep it - wincam

Nowhere does it say to venerate it...just that she was blessed to be the vehicle through which Christ in human form came near.

She was blessed in that she was chosen, but not to be set on a pedestal.  She was just like us, a person who loved God and desired to do His will, but a sinner in need of her Savior.

I was also blessed to be given the title mother, you, I am sure, are blessed to be given the gifts God bestows upon you as well.


I have already shown she was by no stretch of the imagination 'just like us' - besides she was sinless since 'full of grace' leaves no room for sin - wincam

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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #11 on: Sun Sep 13, 2015 - 17:01:30 »
imho - it seems some cannot and will not see that wonderful as it is there must be a vast difference between the womb that bore you and the womb that bore the very son of God - what many Christians cannot see and/or accept was clearly seen by a non Christian - a shame on Christians - so here it is again as accepted by the very son from that blessed womb viz "blessed is the womb that bore thee and the son fro that very womb replied "blessed are they that hear[this] as the word of God and keep it" - wincam



 


Please put that verse in context.
Luke 11:27-28New International Version (NIV)

27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”
28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

Jesus spoke the truth.


sure Jesus spoke the truth so why don't many not hear the word of God and obey it - not that it really matters but rather is not in all Bibles but I rather not dwell on that - wincam

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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #12 on: Sun Sep 13, 2015 - 17:28:20 »
imho - it seems some cannot and will not see that wonderful as it is there must be a vast difference between the womb that bore you and the womb that bore the very son of God - what many Christians cannot see and/or accept was clearly seen by a non Christian - a shame on Christians - so here it is again as accepted by the very son from that blessed womb viz "blessed is the womb that bore thee and the son fro that very womb replied "blessed are they that hear[this] as the word of God and keep it" - wincam
 


Please put that verse in context.
Luke 11:27-28New International Version (NIV)

27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”
28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

Jesus spoke the truth.


 most bibles say womb and not mother - wincam

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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #13 on: Sun Sep 13, 2015 - 21:24:50 »
imho - it seems some cannot and will not see that wonderful as it is there must be a vast difference between the womb that bore you and the womb that bore the very son of God - what many Christians cannot see and/or accept was clearly seen by a non Christian - a shame on Christians - so here it is again as accepted by the very son from that blessed womb viz "blessed is the womb that bore thee and the son fro that very womb replied "blessed are they that hear[this] as the word of God and keep it" - wincam
 
  Please put that verse in context.
Luke 11:27-28New International Version (NIV)

27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”
28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

Jesus spoke the truth.


 most bibles say womb and not mother - wincam


 It doesnt matter what they say, it was merely that womans opinion, and Jesus corrected her as to who were really blessed. Us, those who are believers. 

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« Reply #14 on: Sun Sep 13, 2015 - 21:27:35 »
lest we glibly choose to forget "holy is the womb that bore Thee"[Lk.11:27] and blessed are they that hear this as the word of God and keep it - wincam

Nowhere does it say to venerate it...just that she was blessed to be the vehicle through which Christ in human form came near.

She was blessed in that she was chosen, but not to be set on a pedestal.  She was just like us, a person who loved God and desired to do His will, but a sinner in need of her Savior.

I was also blessed to be given the title mother, you, I am sure, are blessed to be given the gifts God bestows upon you as well.


I have already shown she was by no stretch of the imagination 'just like us' - besides she was sinless since 'full of grace' leaves no room for sin - wincam

 Yes she was, she was a normal woman chosen for a special purpose, and in no way sinless, another completely  man made idea that has no Biblical basis at all. Full of grace doesnt mean sinless, I know people who are full of grace.

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Re: Tomb and womb
« Reply #15 on: Mon Sep 14, 2015 - 02:47:34 »
it does not pass notice that Us does not seem to include Mary - we are not discussing what is normal and natural for normally and naturally all are born in sin from their mother's womb[Isa.48] - wincam

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« Reply #16 on: Mon Sep 14, 2015 - 09:00:24 »
it does not pass notice that Us does not seem to include Mary - we are not discussing what is normal and natural for normally and naturally all are born in sin from their mother's womb[Isa.48] - wincam

Including Mary.

Jesus was the only sinless person.  The reason for that is that He is God.

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« Reply #17 on: Mon Sep 14, 2015 - 10:00:56 »
lest we glibly choose to forget "holy is the womb that bore Thee"[Lk.11:27] and blessed are they that hear this as the word of God and keep it - wincam

Nowhere does it say to venerate it...just that she was blessed to be the vehicle through which Christ in human form came near.

She was blessed in that she was chosen, but not to be set on a pedestal.  She was just like us, a person who loved God and desired to do His will, but a sinner in need of her Savior.

I was also blessed to be given the title mother, you, I am sure, are blessed to be given the gifts God bestows upon you as well.


I have already shown she was by no stretch of the imagination 'just like us' -


You haven't shown anything other than your opinion.

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« Reply #18 on: Mon Sep 14, 2015 - 10:24:14 »
it does not pass notice that Us does not seem to include Mary - we are not discussing what is normal and natural for normally and naturally all are born in sin from their mother's womb[Isa.48] - wincam

Including Mary.

Jesus was the only sinless person.  The reason for that is that He is God.

all means all or does it not - it seems there are two exceptions and have to be viz Jesus and His beloved mother or as natural and normal He would have been conceived in sin from His mother,s womb which was not holy according to some - give over and come home now

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« Reply #19 on: Mon Sep 14, 2015 - 10:45:37 »
it does not pass notice that Us does not seem to include Mary - we are not discussing what is normal and natural for normally and naturally all are born in sin from their mother's womb[Isa.48] - wincam

Including Mary.

Jesus was the only sinless person.  The reason for that is that He is God.

all means all or does it not - it seems there are two exceptions and have to be viz Jesus and His beloved mother or as natural and normal He would have been conceived in sin from His mother,s womb which was not holy according to some - give over and come home now

Nope.  Just one exception.  Jesus.  He alone is sinless because He alone is God.

I am home...right where I belong, in the arms of my Heavenly FATHER.

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« Reply #20 on: Mon Sep 14, 2015 - 11:37:52 »
MATTHEW 1 V 24
24 When Joseph woke up, he did just as an angel from God commanded and took Mary as his wife. 25 But he didn’t have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to a son. Joseph called him Jesus.

Either you believe what God says in the Bible or you dont.

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« Reply #22 on: Mon Sep 14, 2015 - 11:45:52 »
it does not pass notice that Us does not seem to include Mary - we are not discussing what is normal and natural for normally and naturally all are born in sin from their mother's womb[Isa.48] - wincam

Including Mary.

Jesus was the only sinless person.  The reason for that is that He is God.

all means all or does it not - it seems there are two exceptions and have to be viz Jesus and His beloved mother or as natural and normal He would have been conceived in sin from His mother,s womb which was not holy according to some - give over and come home now

Your church has so many unbiblical errors, nope definitely not my home. My home is with my Dad in heaven and until then I will go to churches that stick to Biblical truth.
There is only one who is perfect the Bible says, and that is Jesus. Paul says that we all fall short and all means all. SOOO many unbiblical beliefs.  ::frown::

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« Reply #23 on: Mon Sep 14, 2015 - 13:01:43 »
you have just told us all does not mean all  - wincam

 

     
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