GCM Home | Bible Search | Rules | Donate | Bookstore | RSS | Facebook | Twitter

Author Topic: What determines correct interpretations?  (Read 16135 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Memphis Dwight

  • Guest
What determines correct interpretations?
« on: October 13, 2011, 09:45:38 AM »
Is it just me or does it seem like whenever doctrine
is being discussed, there is this idea that the correct
doctrine is the one with the most vocal cheerleading section?

If two doctrines are at odds with each other, then just because several posters come along and say AMEN when one of those doctrines is being mentioned, that does not make a particular teaching the right one.  Or does it? 

Christian Forums and Message Board

What determines correct interpretations?
« on: October 13, 2011, 09:45:38 AM »

Offline free-in-Christ

  • Junior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 23
  • Manna: 2
    • View Profile
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2011, 10:06:56 AM »
Hello Memphis Dwight

You asked........
“Is it just me or does it seem like whenever doctrine
is being discussed, there is this idea that the correct
doctrine is the one with the most vocal cheerleading section?

If two doctrines are at odds with each other, then just because several posters come along and say AMEN when one of those doctrines is being mentioned, that does not make a particular teaching the right one.  Or does it?

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2011, 10:06:56 AM »

Offline Lively Stone

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17265
  • Manna: 513
    • View Profile
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2011, 10:09:50 AM »
Hello Memphis Dwight

You asked........
“Is it just me or does it seem like whenever doctrine
is being discussed, there is this idea that the correct
doctrine is the one with the most vocal cheerleading section?

If two doctrines are at odds with each other, then just because several posters come along and say AMEN when one of those doctrines is being mentioned, that does not make a particular teaching the right one.  Or does it?

Online Catholica

  • Modal Globerator
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 4241
  • Manna: 153
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2011, 10:12:37 AM »
The Magisterium of the Catholic Church, guided by the Holy Spirit as promised by Christ, is the God-established authority on Earth for doctrinal issues.

For those who don't believe in its authority, there is no final arbiter, as you have correctly ascertained.
John 13
34 I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.
35 This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

2 John
6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2011, 10:12:37 AM »

Offline Lively Stone

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17265
  • Manna: 513
    • View Profile
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2011, 10:14:33 AM »
The Magisterium of the Catholic Church, guided by the Holy Spirit as promised by Christ, is the God-established authority on Earth for doctrinal issues.

For those who don't believe in its authority, there is no final arbiter, as you have correctly ascertained.

No, the written word of God is our only authority beside the Holy Spirit who is the Revelator.

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2011, 10:14:33 AM »



Online Catholica

  • Modal Globerator
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 4241
  • Manna: 153
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2011, 10:21:51 AM »
The Magisterium of the Catholic Church, guided by the Holy Spirit as promised by Christ, is the God-established authority on Earth for doctrinal issues.

For those who don't believe in its authority, there is no final arbiter, as you have correctly ascertained.

No, the written word of God is our only authority beside the Holy Spirit who is the Revelator.

Who says?  Public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, I believe.  What you say is not in the Bible, nor in Sacred Tradition.  So who says?
John 13
34 I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.
35 This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

2 John
6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

larry2

  • Guest
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2011, 10:25:25 AM »
You're correct, and for a real taste of that mindset give the politics section a whirl.

Offline Lively Stone

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17265
  • Manna: 513
    • View Profile
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2011, 10:29:02 AM »
The Magisterium of the Catholic Church, guided by the Holy Spirit as promised by Christ, is the God-established authority on Earth for doctrinal issues.

For those who don't believe in its authority, there is no final arbiter, as you have correctly ascertained.

No, the written word of God is our only authority beside the Holy Spirit who is the Revelator.

Who says?  Public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, I believe.  What you say is not in the Bible, nor in Sacred Tradition.  So who says?

As Scripture has always been the authority before Christ, it continues after Christ. Certainly no person or group of persons can be the authority on Biblical doctrine, but the Bible itself. Every Christian person in the world is given spiritual understanding by Holy Spirit, and that includes those members of the so-called Magisterium who know Jesus as their personal Saviour. They are no different than you or me.

larry2

  • Guest
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2011, 10:47:49 AM »

Who says?  Public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, I believe.  What you say is not in the Bible, nor in Sacred Tradition.  So who says?


Choose for yourself - do we believe the word of God or man? The following scripture should put an end to such garbage as the Mormons preach.

Colossians 1:25  Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill (complete or end it) the word of God

Galatians 1:8  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 
The book of Mormon

2 Nephi 29:3 . . . many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.

2 Nephi 29:9 . . . because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.

2 Nephi 29:10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.

Online Catholica

  • Modal Globerator
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 4241
  • Manna: 153
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2011, 11:50:51 AM »
The Magisterium of the Catholic Church, guided by the Holy Spirit as promised by Christ, is the God-established authority on Earth for doctrinal issues.

For those who don't believe in its authority, there is no final arbiter, as you have correctly ascertained.

No, the written word of God is our only authority beside the Holy Spirit who is the Revelator.

Who says?  Public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, I believe.  What you say is not in the Bible, nor in Sacred Tradition.  So who says?

As Scripture has always been the authority before Christ, it continues after Christ. Certainly no person or group of persons can be the authority on Biblical doctrine, but the Bible itself. Every Christian person in the world is given spiritual understanding by Holy Spirit, and that includes those members of the so-called Magisterium who know Jesus as their personal Saviour. They are no different than you or me.

How do you know which books are scripture?  Who decided?

No person or group of persons can be the authority on Biblical doctrine?  Then there is no truth because it is every man for himself.  The Holy Spirit gives correct spiritual understanding to each and every person?  Not only is that naive in practice, but who says?  That idea is not found in scripture, and rightly so, because it doesn't take a terribly rational analysis to realize that, in this world, it is not so.  I think the fact that this thread was even started is a testament to that.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2011, 12:50:31 PM by Catholica »
John 13
34 I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.
35 This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

2 John
6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

blu

  • Guest
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2011, 12:23:07 PM »
Is it just me or does it seem like whenever doctrine
is being discussed, there is this idea that the correct
doctrine is the one with the most vocal cheerleading section?

If two doctrines are at odds with each other, then just because several posters come along and say AMEN when one of those doctrines is being mentioned, that does not make a particular teaching the right one.  Or does it? 

No. If you find two conflicting doctrines, then go to the bible and find the true solution. The bible is the word of God, not the church doctrine.

Offline Beta

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1815
  • Manna: 126
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2011, 01:10:14 PM »
It appears that all agree on the 'Holy Spirit' being the 'leading agent in a 'christians life.
Just 'claiming to have the HS does not make that a true fact - because most forget that there are 2 groups of Christians :
the true and the false or deceived.
Jesus himself 'warned of 'deception Mat.24v4,5,11.
Also Rev.12v9 says 'the whole world is deceived. Also scripture says it is the 'MANY' who are on the road to destruction. All keep similar nonbiblical observances - who then can be right ?

Yet NO 'Christians ever mention those scriptures .
They are swept under the carpet as is the most important of WHO is given the Holy Spirit Acts 5v32. It comes down to 'OBEDIENCE which is so obviously lacking in this world and sadly also in Christianity.
Why does Jesus say in Lk.6v46 : And why call ye me Lord, Lord and do not the things which I say ?
Could he say that if those who call him 'Lord were 'obedient ?

I think it is high time christians were honest with themselves instead of looking for excuses not to obey God's Commandments.
To 'claim (take to oneself) the HS when one is 'disobedient has to be 'sin ?

Offline gospel

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11884
  • Manna: 638
    • View Profile
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2011, 01:21:15 PM »
The Magisterium of the Catholic Church, guided by the Holy Spirit as promised by Christ, is the God-established authority on Earth for doctrinal issues.

For those who don't believe in its authority, there is no final arbiter, as you have correctly ascertained.

No, the written word of God is our only authority beside the Holy Spirit who is the Revelator.

Who says?  Public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, I believe.  What you say is not in the Bible, nor in Sacred Tradition.  So who says?

As Scripture has always been the authority before Christ, it continues after Christ. Certainly no person or group of persons can be the authority on Biblical doctrine, but the Bible itself. Every Christian person in the world is given spiritual understanding by Holy Spirit, and that includes those members of the so-called Magisterium who know Jesus as their personal Saviour. They are no different than you or me.

How do you know which books are scripture?  Who decided?

No person or group of persons can be the authority on Biblical doctrine?  Then there is no truth because it is every man for himself.  The Holy Spirit gives correct spiritual understanding to each and every person?  Not only is that naive in practice, but who says?  That idea is not found in scripture, and rightly so, because it doesn't take a terribly rational analysis to realize that, in this world, it is not so.  I think the fact that this thread was even started is a testament to that.


Those who have the Holy Spirit agree.....and thank God!

His Truth is Marching On and not the confusion you have described!

As we speak our brothers in Christ are dying in Egypt because of their Faith in Christ because they agree with the same Holy Spirit who has baptized them into the Body of Believers as He baptized us.

They too are in agreement with The Word of God which says that

Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life

If you agree with that, it is only because the same Holy Spirit in you is the same Holy Spirit in me
« Last Edit: October 13, 2011, 01:28:32 PM by gospel »
"For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God. Acts 20:27

Offline Lively Stone

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17265
  • Manna: 513
    • View Profile
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2011, 01:25:57 PM »
The Magisterium of the Catholic Church, guided by the Holy Spirit as promised by Christ, is the God-established authority on Earth for doctrinal issues.

For those who don't believe in its authority, there is no final arbiter, as you have correctly ascertained.

No, the written word of God is our only authority beside the Holy Spirit who is the Revelator.

Who says?  Public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, I believe.  What you say is not in the Bible, nor in Sacred Tradition.  So who says?

As Scripture has always been the authority before Christ, it continues after Christ. Certainly no person or group of persons can be the authority on Biblical doctrine, but the Bible itself. Every Christian person in the world is given spiritual understanding by Holy Spirit, and that includes those members of the so-called Magisterium who know Jesus as their personal Saviour. They are no different than you or me.

How do you know which books are scripture?  Who decided?

No person or group of persons can be the authority on Biblical doctrine?  Then there is no truth because it is every man for himself.  The Holy Spirit gives correct spiritual understanding to each and every person?  Not only is that naive in practice, but who says?  That idea is not found in scripture, and rightly so, because it doesn't take a terribly rational analysis to realize that, in this world, it is not so.  I think the fact that this thread was even started is a testament to that.

Men so directed by God Himself, and in agreement together have determined what is holy writ. That is a miracle wrought by God.

Holy Spirit does give correct interpretation and understanding to all men, provided they hear correctly---and heed Him as well. The flesh is notorious for getting in the way.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2011, 06:22:11 PM by Lively Stone »

Offline Talking Donkey

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1485
  • Manna: 55
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: What determines correct interpretations?
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2011, 04:03:03 PM »
Isa 8:20 To the law and the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, there is no light in them.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

Jn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

We will be judged by the written word, not by man's traditions that go against the word of God.  The word of God says to wash our faces to hide we are fasting, Rome says: Put on the black mark of Ash Wednesday on your face, the total opposite of what the Bible says, to announce to the world, you are fasting.

Mat 6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;
18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

Peace
Acts 4:31 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spoke the word of God with boldness. 

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love your law: and nothing shall offend them.