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Offline Paulus

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Re: What is Holy about a Roman....Catholic
« Reply #135 on: March 25, 2012, 12:21:26 PM »
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Yes not "Roman" as in "a citizen of the city of Rome" . However "Roman" as in "Roman Catholic" .

"The Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing . " ( Pope Pius XII in "Humani Generis"] .

Immediately I cease to be Roman Catholic , I cease to be in communion with the Roman See , with the Bishop of Rome , and so cease to be Catholic , and so also cease to be a complete member of the Mystical Body of Christ .
Once again, one need not be a ROMAN Catholic to be part of the Catholic Church.

I am NOT a Roman Catholic and I did not cease to be in communion with the Pope.

That is why I don't care for the use of "Roman" when one is describing the universal church - it is insulting to the 21 other Catholic rites that are not Roman and are part of the universal church.

I know where you are coming from . There was a time when Catholics not of the Latin rite were in some quarters looked upon as second class members . That was put to rights at the Second Vatican Council , especially through the forceful way an Eastern rite patriarch , sorry I can't remember his name , spoke out in the name of the Eastern rite Catholics .

I understand your being protective and proud of your rite , and I am all for it .

Throughout this thread I have written and quoted from Popes , and the main point I want to get across is that they used the word Roman to designate communion with the Roman See , with the Bishop of Rome . Rites , whether East or West , are not part of the issue in this matter . You are a Catholic in the Maronite rite . I am a Catholic in the Latin rite . We are both Catholics in communion with the Roman See , with the Bishop of Rome , and it is this fact , using the language Popes have used , which makes us members of the Roman Catholic Church .

The only way to understand what the Popes were saying , such as Pius XII in Mystici Corporis Christi where he wrote "The true Church of Jesus Christ is the One , Holy , Catholic , Apostolic and Roman Church", is to understand that they are designating the Church in communion with the Roman See , with the Bishop of Rome .

Now I have no problem with your not wanting to be referred to as a Roman Catholic , as long as you are not denying the use of the word Roman as the above quote from Pius XII intended it to be used .

When my father was alive , and he was a better Catholic than I will ever be , and he was asked what his religion was he would say Roman Catholic .

Sometimes I say I am Catholic , sometimes Roman Catholic . It's part of common parlance which I don't object to . If the adjective Roman was good enough for Popes from Pius XI to Benedict XVI , and for others if we look into the history of how the term was used , then it's good enough for me .
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« Reply #136 on: March 25, 2012, 01:02:41 PM »
Well said my friend.

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« Reply #137 on: March 25, 2012, 02:06:05 PM »
Well said my friend.

Thanks , I hope you understand what I am trying to say . It's not always easy to get across points when at times they have been part of polemics .

Don't hesitate to query or seek verification about anything I have said .

















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Re: What is Holy about a Roman....Catholic
« Reply #138 on: May 02, 2012, 10:03:43 AM »
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Once again, one need not be a ROMAN Catholic to be part of the Catholic Church.

I am NOT a Roman Catholic and I did not cease to be in communion with the Pope.

That is why I don't care for the use of "Roman" when one is describing the universal church - it is insulting to the 21 other Catholic rites that are not Roman and are part of the universal church.

Scott,

Roman Catholic simply describes the part of the catholic church centered in Rome. It is not an insult. It helps us differentiate when we speak of catholics. My own church is catholic even though we are protestant. We recite the apostles creed every Sunday." I believe in the holy catholic church."

We are holy becuse we are accepted by God as holy when we repent and are justified. That is all.

Peace, JohnR

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