When did it become OK to stop listening to the Church?

[Lively Stone]

You guys are so clueless. If anyone is responsible for changing anything in Christianity concerning doctrine and morals its you guys with your 30,000 different contradicting denoms and countless other falsehoods.

To hear you guys say stuff like the Catholic Church changed anything besides a clarification to the Nicene Creed mindboggling.

In matters of raping, converting and reforming Christianity the protestant is no valid moral position to accuse the Catholic Church of anything.

Is this the best you can do? blame us for protestantism because we know the truth. 

That's like saying, "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful."

[Lively Stone]

Apologies for the forwardness but I don't like it when protestants try to cover their lies with a masquerade of Truth. I can't stand it actually.

Spewing venom rather than facing your own error is avoidance.

[LightHammer]

Apologies for the forwardness but I don't like it when protestants try to cover their lies with a masquerade of Truth. I can't stand it actually.

Spewing venom rather than facing your own error is avoidance.

I'm sure I have plenty of error I need to face and I pray daily to trun from it. However when I pray I don't ask for God to affrm my faith in some doctrine I already hold. I pray for Him to show me Truth. It is not coincedance that when I pray for Truth and submit myself to His guidance that he leads me to the Catholic Church.

It is divine providence.

[Lively Stone]

Apologies for the forwardness but I don't like it when protestants try to cover their lies with a masquerade of Truth. I can't stand it actually.

Spewing venom rather than facing your own error is avoidance.

I'm sure I have plenty of error I need to face and I pray daily to trun from it. However when I pray I don't ask for God to affrm my faith in some doctrine I already hold. I pray for Him to show me Truth. It is not coincedance that when I pray for Truth and submit myself to His guidance that he leads me to the Catholic Church.

It is divine providence.

Good. Keep doing that. He will lead you on.

[mclees8]

Apologies for the forwardness but I don't like it when protestants try to cover their lies with a masquerade of Truth. I can't stand it actually.




And what Lies do you think that is.    Do you thing of us as lairs and yet we only lift the word of God and Jesus Christ. Could  you think us so callus and evil to do that.?

When we truly understand the church that Jesus really founded and we have a reasonable knowledge of church history it is not hard to figure out the truth about what i said of the papacy. There is know lie here

Do you Know Im praying for you and for all of us as well.  Please know this truth is not the institution. Truth is in the person of Christ to know Him and to love Him  and to be conformed to his will.

[LightHammer]

"Do you know what your sin is? It is pride."

I don't think you're liars in the sense that you know the Truth and speak falsely. I think you bear false witness in the sense that you have not fully accepted the fullness of Truth. You have accepted what is necessary for salvation and in the comfort of the basics you are unable to see anything else.

 

[Josiah]

"Do you know what your sin is? It is pride."

SOME would conclude that the RCC's claim of infalliblity is pride, it's forbidding of accountabiliy for self exclusively because self claims that when self exclusively speaks, GOD is speaking are all examples of pride.  Self alone claiming that self alone has the "fullness" is pride. 


Now, back to the topic.   You have ridiculed others for claiming that they listen to the Holy Spirit and the point of this thread is that it is wrong to listen to self.   So, just what does the RCC listen to?   






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[LightHammer]

Josiah how many times do I have to tell you?

The RCC listens to the Holy Spirit.

Accept it or reject it.

In all honesty which way you go won't change the reality that its True.

[LightHammer]

Hearing protestants show their different truths is amusing at best.

If the Truth is 30,000 different opinions then count me out pyschopaths.

Blame you because you know the Truth?

No I blame you for violating the Faith. Because of you and your precious Reformers thousands of new heresies pop up and gain following every 45 years. And I mean huge heresies major heresies.

That is not Truth mclees no matter how many times you say it.

You have taken the Apostolic Faith separated from its stronghold, raped away it's Truth, formed multiple heresies and declared those who actually adhere to what Christ establish through His Apostolic leadership followers of the Beast.

And you ask why I blame you?

For you to ask me why I blame you, "is for the wolf to ask the sheep do you [blame] me?" "For the rapist to ask the raped do you [blame] me."

Don't get it twisted mclees. You protestants haven't saved anything from any error.

Your theology is the disease that has corrupted it.

[mclees8]

Hearing protestants show their different truths is amusing at best.

If the Truth is 30,000 different opinions then count me out pyschopaths.

Blame you because you know the Truth?

No I blame you for violating the Faith. Because of you and your precious Reformers thousands of new heresies pop up and gain following every 45 years. And I mean huge heresies major heresies.

That is not Truth mclees no matter how many times you say it.

You have taken the Apostolic Faith separated from its stronghold, raped away it's Truth, formed multiple heresies and declared those who actually adhere to what Christ establish through His Apostolic leadership followers of the Beast.

And you ask why I blame you?

For you to ask me why I blame you, "is for the wolf to ask the sheep do you [blame] me?" "For the rapist to ask the raped do you [blame] me."

Don't get it twisted mclees. You protestants haven't saved anything from any error.

Your theology is the disease that has corrupted it.

So are you saying you blame me for 30,000 denominations. And you say that because I spoke the truth about the papacy. Thats a lot to put on me don't you think. I would like to know how you think I would accomplish that. Let me remind you I am not a Protestant and i am of no denomination. You see I left all that  I have no bias and see things bad on both sides of the river. I did not live during the reformation or revolt again the RCC. So what are you blaming me for?

Next you do not know what the fullness of truth is? It is not an affiliation to any organized church Protestant or Catholic. The fullness of truth is a gift. It is the grace of God through the sacrifice of our Lord who is the fullness of Gods grace given for all who will believe.

5 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. ( Jn 1:15-16)

[LightHammer]

Not you personally and entirely but you personally in part.

You are not some pulpit Christian who doesn't know much. You measure theology anf affirm doctrine and still choose falsely in part.

That is not the fullness of Truth.

[Lively Stone]

Hearing protestants show their different truths is amusing at best.

If the Truth is 30,000 different opinions then count me out pyschopaths.

Blame you because you know the Truth?

No I blame you for violating the Faith. Because of you and your precious Reformers thousands of new heresies pop up and gain following every 45 years. And I mean huge heresies major heresies.

That is not Truth mclees no matter how many times you say it.

You have taken the Apostolic Faith separated from its stronghold, raped away it's Truth, formed multiple heresies and declared those who actually adhere to what Christ establish through His Apostolic leadership followers of the Beast.

And you ask why I blame you?

For you to ask me why I blame you, "is for the wolf to ask the sheep do you [blame] me?" "For the rapist to ask the raped do you [blame] me."

Don't get it twisted mclees. You protestants haven't saved anything from any error.

Your theology is the disease that has corrupted it.

So are you saying you blame me for 30,000 denominations. And you say that because I spoke the truth about the papacy. Thats a lot to put on me don't you think. I would like to know how you think I would accomplish that. Let me remind you I am not a Protestant and i am of no denomination. You see I left all that  I have no bias and see things bad on both sides of the river. I did not live during the reformation or revolt again the RCC. So what are you blaming me for?

Next you do not know what the fullness of truth is? It is not an affiliation to any organized church Protestant or Catholic. The fullness of truth is a gift. It is the grace of God through the sacrifice of our Lord who is the fullness of Gods grace given for all who will believe.

5 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. ( Jn 1:15-16)

Good post! Manna4U.

[Cobalt1959]

Hearing protestants show their different truths is amusing at best.

If the Truth is 30,000 different opinions then count me out pyschopaths.

Blame you because you know the Truth?

No I blame you for violating the Faith. Because of you and your precious Reformers thousands of new heresies pop up and gain following every 45 years. And I mean huge heresies major heresies.

That is not Truth mclees no matter how many times you say it.

You have taken the Apostolic Faith separated from its stronghold, raped away it's Truth, formed multiple heresies and declared those who actually adhere to what Christ establish through His Apostolic leadership followers of the Beast.

And you ask why I blame you?

For you to ask me why I blame you, "is for the wolf to ask the sheep do you [blame] me?" "For the rapist to ask the raped do you [blame] me."

Don't get it twisted mclees. You protestants haven't saved anything from any error.

Your theology is the disease that has corrupted it.

Apologies for the forwardness but I don't like it when protestants try to cover their lies with a masquerade of Truth. I can't stand it actually.

Well, I knew you hated protestants, but you have certainly taken your hatred to new levels in this post haven't you?  Now we are  pyschopaths.  Nice.

As for your "new heresies every 45 years," I have to give the RCC credit where credit is due.  They have kept the same heresies and faithfully followed them for over a thousand years.  Of course, they have added a few new ones occasionally just for good seasoning, but they have remained faithfully in error to a set of man-made doctrines for 100's of years.  Way to go.  Perseverence has certainly paid off, hasn't it?  All the while claiming world-wide authority through Apostolic succession, which the Bible says absolutely nothing about, and attempting to bludgeon anyone who questions or opposes them into forced submission.  And you wonder why your message isn't humbling accepted.  Perhaps because the message itself is wrong, and the delivery of it is absolutely wrong.

You like to label people.  "Catholic."  "Protestant."  It seems to be this big, personal war with you to go out with your RCC-issue M16, strap on as much ammo as you can carry and start mowing down as many "Protestants" as you can find.  Us against Them.  And who cares about the collateral damage.  You did not get this attitude from the Holy Spirit and Christ certainly did not teach it to you.  I could try and lay the blame for your attitude on the doorsteps of the RCC but even I can't do that because at the end of the day, the only one who is responsible for how you behave is you.  I know you won't like hearing it, because you have to blame those nasty "protestants" for your poor behavior.  Now one, however, is forcing you to frequent this board.  Unless I have something horribly wrong, I don't think anyone is forcing you to come here and interact with others on a daily basis.  You have a great deal of fervency and passion, but it is focused squarely in the wrong direction and on the wrong things.

In Christ's eyes, there is no such thing as Catholic or Protestant, simply those who know Him and those who don't.  It has nothing to do with, and indeed, never has had anything to do with what 'church' someone does or does not have their formal letter of membership in, that's all fluff.  All Jesus sees is one's heart.  You don't seem to be able to grasp that simple fact.

[Cobalt1959]

Josiah how many times do I have to tell you?

The RCC listens to the Holy Spirit.

Accept it or reject it.

In all honesty which way you go won't change the reality that its True.

Then why does the RCC teach doctrines that are unsupported within scripture and, in many cases, 100% oppose scritpure and/or violate it?  Is the Holy Spirit schizophrenic?

There is absolutely no scriptural support for priests to be celibate.

There is absolutely no scriptural support for Mary's virgin birth, being sinless, remaining a virgin, or ascending to heaven as Christ did.

There is absolutely no scriptural support for indulgences or dispensations.

There is absolutely no scriptural support for Apostolic succession.

There is absolutely no scriptural support for priests, or the Pope, or anyone else besides God being able to forgive someone's sins.

There is absolutely no scriptural support for purgatory.

There is absolutely no scriptural support for killing those who believe differently than you.  A subject that you self-admittedly will not discuss because even you realize there is absolutely no way that a professing Christian could defend any of the Inquisitions.

These are just the tip of the iceberg.  You bash on Luther a great deal, and I am certainly not his biggest fan since he (like the RCC has traditionally been) was a flaming anti-semite, but Luther never set out to create a different denomination.  That was not his intent.  He simply wanted the RCC to correct the errors which had crept into the church over time.  You either do not know true RCC history, removed from what they tell you it is, or you simply do not wish to know it.  Because there are two different RCC 'histories.'  The one that the RCC disseminates, and then the actual one that occured in real life.  The RCC version is revisionist history and bears little resemblance to the actual history of the church.  Strange that they would still attempt this since in this day and age, the actual truth is easy to find for anyone who wants to do so.  So your last line is very ironic.

[Lively Stone]

Josiah how many times do I have to tell you?

The RCC listens to the Holy Spirit.

Accept it or reject it.

In all honesty which way you go won't change the reality that its True.

Then why does the RCC teach doctrines that are unsupported within scripture and, in many cases, 100% oppose scritpure and/or violate it?  Is the Holy Spirit schizophrenic?

There is absolutely no scriptural support for priests to be celibate.

There is absolutely no scriptural support for Mary's virgin birth, being sinless, remaining a virgin, or ascending to heaven as Christ did.

There is absolutely no scriptural support for indulgences or dispensations.

There is absolutely no scriptural support for Apostolic succession.

There is absolutely no scriptural support for priests, or the Pope, or anyone else besides God being able to forgive someone's sins.

There is absolutely no scriptural support for purgatory.

There is absolutely no scriptural support for killing those who believe differently than you.  A subject that you self-admittedly will not discuss because even you realize there is absolutely no way that a professing Christian could defend any of the Inquisitions.

These are just the tip of the iceberg.  You bash on Luther a great deal, and I am certainly not his biggest fan since he (like the RCC has traditionally been) was a flaming anti-semite, but Luther never set out to create a different denomination.  That was not his intent.  He simply wanted the RCC to correct the errors which had crept into the church over time.  You either do not know true RCC history, removed from what they tell you it is, or you simply do not wish to know it.  Because there are two different RCC 'histories.'  The one that the RCC disseminates, and then the actual one that occured in real life.  The RCC version is revisionist history and bears little resemblance to the actual history of the church.  Strange that they would still attempt this since in this day and age, the actual truth is easy to find for anyone who wants to do so.  So your last line is very ironic.

[LightHammer]

The first occurrence of Apostolic Succession is recorded in Acts 15 with Matthias chosen to succeed Judas Ischariot.

Scripture records a man literally trying to bribe Peter for his gift to forgive sins. That and besides the fact that Christ spoke such authority into them when He sent them out two and two.

Purgatory is just the baptism of fire. There is plenty to support that including the prophecy of such spoken of by John the Baptist.

Are you simple? Jesus and Paul were celibate. Paul literally spoke and said that it is better for a man to be single that he may better separate himself from the world and serve God.

Mary is never not a virgin in Scripture so yea missing your point.

I could tackle all these but I'm sure there is nothing I can do as a mere man for you. You have to let go and let God.

One more thing. Don't mistake it. If I hated you I would come out and say it bluntly as I'm pretty sure I have proven.

What I feel is akin to sadness and frustration. Rather than hatred and animus.

[Lively Stone]

The first occurrence of Apostolic Succession is recorded in Acts 15 with Matthias chosen to succeed Judas Ischariot.

No instance was ever recorded again, nor was it done. You cannot establish a tradition from one isolated incident.

Scripture records a man literally trying to bribe Peter for his gift to forgive sins. That and besides the fact that Christ spoke such authority into them when He sent them out two and two.

No tradition established.

Purgatory is just the baptism of fire. There is plenty to support that including the prophecy of such spoken of by John the Baptist.

No it is not. There is no mention of Purgatory in Scripture or any teaching similar to what the RCC has concocted. You misapprehend the baptism of fire.

Are you simple? Jesus and Paul were celibate. Paul literally spoke and said that it is better for a man to be single that he may better separate himself from the world and serve God.

Nothing teaches of a priesthood, or a demand for celibacy. That is a calling that God asks the individual. Now, THAT'S simple!

Mary is never not a virgin in Scripture so yea missing your point.

Joesph had sex with his wife, as clearly mentioned in scripture and she gave him many other children.

I could tackle all these but I'm sure there is nothing I can do as a mere man for you. You have to let go and let God.

Please study Scripture prayerfully and let God reveal to you His truth. That is the only way you can receive it.



Christians need to be maintaining unity in Christ and not resort to venting frustration with and blunt jibes. Stop asking people if they are simple! It's insolent.

[stevehut]

1- The first occurrence of Apostolic Succession is recorded in Acts 15

2- Scripture records a man literally trying to bribe Peter for his gift to forgive sins.

3-There is plenty to support that including the prophecy of such spoken of by John the Baptist.

4- Paul literally spoke and said that it is better for a man to be single

 

1- Actually it's Acts 1, and it says that such a man must have physically seen Jesus with his own eyes.

2- Try again.  It's Acts 8, and the imparting of the Spirit, not remission of sins.

3- Not familiar with that one.

4- He also said it's better to marry than to burn with passion.

[mclees8]

In Christ's eyes, there is no such thing as Catholic or Protestant, simply those who know Him and those who don't.  It has nothing to do with, and indeed, never has had anything to do with what 'church' someone does or does not have their formal letter of membership in, that's all fluff.  All Jesus sees is one's heart.  You don't seem to be able to grasp that simple fact.


You got it Cobalt  Preach on    AMEN!

[LightHammer]

I used to believe that but my time on this site has led me to understand just how confused the world is.

When professed Christians can gather under such heresy it only affirms the Truth that God gave us the Catholic Church as the Holy Spirit's tool, to be The Standard by which His children can gather and be led into the fullness of all Truth and not just the basics of salvation that many protestants rest purposefully in because it requires no greater depth or discipline.

More and more I view so many of your theology as shallow and lack of any genuine sitting and studying.

By that same token and in when regarding theology protestantism is like a group of frighten minds ridng the wave of God's Love simply as a means to reach the destination His Love promises; peace and salvation. The Catholic Faith however is group of frightened, lost, sickly minds that don't simply ride the wave of God's Love but dive in and immerse themselves completely in it. Through this salvation is no longer or most pressing concern connecting with the Infinity of the Ocean that is God is.


Those of the shallow and egotistic lifestyle not can't understand but bash those who face the stones and obstacles of the sea to get deeper and deeper in the Ocean that is God. They can't comprehend why its necessary or why our tradition is set in things that are not merely salvation necessary but gain us a deeper fellowship.


Granted I know being Catholic or being protestant alone doesn't save anyone but I am starting to believe that God will find favor in those who immerse themselves into a more intimate relationship, lifestyle and Faith than others. That is what it means to be Catholic.

 

[mclees8]

Granted I know being Catholic or being protestant alone doesn't save anyone but I am starting to believe that God will find favor in those who immerse themselves into a more intimate relationship, lifestyle and Faith than others. That is what it means to be Catholic.


That what it means for a lot of us LH No protestant no catholic just a people of faith.

In that day the Lord will reap a harvest and his true bride will be taken out of this whole Catholic Protestant mess. I pray we all be there.

[Lively Stone]

I used to believe that but my time on this site has led me to understand just how confused the world is.

When professed Christians can gather under such heresy it only affirms the Truth that God gave us the Catholic Church as the Holy Spirit's tool, to be The Standard by which His children can gather and be led into the fullness of all Truth and not just the basics of salvation that many protestants rest purposefully in because it requires no greater depth or discipline.

More and more I view so many of your theology as shallow and lack of any genuine sitting and studying.

You rarely even discuss any theology! All you talk about is your church! That has nothing to do with the deep things of God! You, as far as I can see, do not participate in any thread here that would showcase your deep, abiding faith based on what the word of God has shown you.

You have no criteria for judging anyone as shallow.

The STANDARD is Jesus Christ and God's word. There is no other standard. As long as you hold a monolith to be the standard of God to the world, that error will remain an impediment, a huge STUMBLING BLOCK to know God completely and experience His great salvation and the freedom He died to give you.

Granted I know being Catholic or being protestant alone doesn't save anyone but I am starting to believe that God will find favor in those who immerse themselves into a more intimate relationship, lifestyle and Faith than others. That is what it means to be Catholic.  

God doesn't FIND favour---He GIVES FAVOUR! He favours His own obedient children---those who walk daily with Him by obeying His word, by spending time with Him in prayer and worship DAILY--those who do His word and are not just hearers, amassing great lumps of head knowledge.

[Cobalt1959]

“I could tackle all these but I'm sure there is nothing I can do as a mere man for you. You have to let go and let God.

[Lively Stone]

“I could tackle all these but I'm sure there is nothing I can do as a mere man for you. You have to let go and let God.

[LightHammer]

Here is your actual guidelines for who can be an Apostle, according to scripture.  First of all, it is found in Acts 1, not 15.  It had to be a person who was with the disciples from the time John baptized Jesus till the time Jesus ascended into heaven.  The only reason Paul was exempt from these requirements was because Jesus personally chose him.  There is absolutely no scriptural basis for the RCC’s supposed “Apostolic succession.

[Lively Stone]

Apostolic Succession doesn't make "Apostles", only Christ can create that office. Apostolic Succession provides successors to that office.

It doesn't in real life...only God does that, too.

Celibacy is a disciplined applied to the leadership by the leadership. Are you saying that the men and women don't have the right to choose to be celibate?

That is between God and any single person. No office or position must require it.

You don't know anything about the Catholic Church.

I'll be glad to show you.

"Michal, the daughter of Saul had no children until the day of her death (2 Samuel 6:23).

The english use of the word "until" is to imply a delay in action up to a certain point when it is then fulfilled.

That is not the meaning of the word in its proper historical context. You must understand this when reading the Bible. If you don't you will fall into the trap of protestantism and live a life of shallow pyschopathic theology.

I believe he knows a lot about the Catholic church, and you don't. The word 'until' means up to the time of. Period. you can dance around it all you want but that is just a dance...until you stop, that is!

The definition of insanity is very simple. It is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

That is protestantism personified.

Oh, how like Jesus of you.

For 1600 years the Christian Church has been Catholic. It has been faithfully following God and God has been teaching it about Him. He has covered and decreed the Truths of matters long ago.

For whatever time you may think, the Catholic church has been veering away from the true body of Christ and what Jesus teaches the Church, and becoming its own religion that doesn't resemble Christianity very much.

Inspite of this Sacred Tradition and preservation you guys take Sacred Scripture and try to reform the Truth and recreate doctrine when God has already taught His people such.

Lies. The RCC has done an amazing job of hatcheting true doctrine and fabricating its very own.

You are in essence doing the same thing that was done thousands of years before you and expecting to get a different result.

You are infact very very insane.

[chestertonrules]

Granted I know being Catholic or being protestant alone doesn't save anyone but I am starting to believe that God will find favor in those who immerse themselves into a more intimate relationship, lifestyle and Faith than others. That is what it means to be Catholic.


That what it means for a lot of us LH No protestant no catholic just a people of faith.

In that day the Lord will reap a harvest and his true bride will be taken out of this whole Catholic Protestant mess. I pray we all be there.

Being Catholic doesn't guarantee salvation, but it is easier if we follow the Church Jesus started.

Following the teachings of the Catholic Church faithfully leads to a closer walk with Jesus.

[mclees8]

Granted I know being Catholic or being protestant alone doesn't save anyone but I am starting to believe that God will find favor in those who immerse themselves into a more intimate relationship, lifestyle and Faith than others. That is what it means to be Catholic.


That what it means for a lot of us LH No protestant no catholic just a people of faith.

In that day the Lord will reap a harvest and his true bride will be taken out of this whole Catholic Protestant mess. I pray we all be there.

Being Catholic doesn't guarantee salvation, but it is easier if we follow the Church Jesus started.

Following the teachings of the Catholic Church faithfully leads to a closer walk with Jesus.

dear chester We follow the church Jesus started when listen to his word and the apostles he chose to teach us. You see that's the only true way to follow the church he founded. Not some bogus authority system that changed the church into something else that claims authority by some fabricated idea of apostolic succession. You have a bible that tells you who saved you. I suggest you follow Him. When he said he who hears you hears me he was refering to his apostles and only those who adhere to their teaching. Their teaching is written for our benifit that we may measure those who really follow their teaching.

But you have a blessed day

[chestertonrules]

dear chester We follow the church Jesus started when listen to his word and the apostles he chose to teach us. You see that's the only true way to follow the church he founded. Not some bogus 

You read the words of the apostles and then decide for yourself what the words mean.

Jesus told us to listen to the Church.

You choose to lean on your own understanding, which is why protestantism contains so many contradictory teachings.

[Cobalt1959]

Apostolic Succession doesn't make "Apostles", only Christ can create that office. Apostolic Succession provides successors to that office.

Then what, exactly does Apostolic succession do, and why is the RCC so insistant on it and that it exists?  If only Christ can create that office, then only Christ can chose the people occupying the office, and that would be somewhat difficult considering the fact that at this point in time, He sits at the right hand of the Father in heaven.  So who is the subject of this “Apostolic succession, end exactly what it is for?  Perhaps, at some point in time, when you are not too busy thinking up new insults, you could post actual scripture that describes this concept of Apostolic succession down through time, because Acts 1 and the choosing of Matthias isn’t it.
 

Celibacy is a disciplined applied to the leadership by the leadership. Are you saying that the men and women don't have the right to choose to be celibate?

Are you saying that priests are not required by the RCC to be celibate?

You don't know anything about the Catholic Church.

I'll be glad to show you.

"Michal, the daughter of Saul had no children until the day of her death (2 Samuel 6:23).

The english use of the word "until" is to imply a delay in action up to a certain point when it is then fulfilled.

That is not the meaning of the word in its proper historical context. You must understand this when reading the Bible. If you don't you will fall into the trap of protestantism and live a life of shallow pyschopathic theology.

Well thanks for saving me from all that.  It sounds absolutely horrible.  And this coming from someone who is not allowed by his own church to read the Bible and attempt to understand it, you have to rely on the Magisterium for an explanation of what it means.

I don’t know what translation you are using but you might want to think about getting an interlinear if you are going to continue to buck your churches advice on not being a Berean and checking out scripture for yourself.  Here is the Concordant Literal Version of 2 Samuel 6:23:

“As to Michal daughter of Saul, she had no children till the day of her death.

[Cobalt1959]

You read the words of the apostles and then decide for yourself what the words mean.

Jesus told us to listen to the Church.

You choose to lean on your own understanding, which is why protestantism contains so many contradictory teachings.

No, Jesus tells us to listen to the Holy Spirit.  I dealt with this subject extensively, but you totally ignored it.  I'm still waiting for scriptural proof.

[chestertonrules]

You read the words of the apostles and then decide for yourself what the words mean.

Jesus told us to listen to the Church.

You choose to lean on your own understanding, which is why protestantism contains so many contradictory teachings.

No, Jesus tells us to listen to the Holy Spirit.  I dealt with this subject extensively, but you totally ignored it.  I'm still waiting for scriptural proof.

Jesus told US to listen to the leaders.  We don't get to make up our own message, we are to follow their message.



John 17
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

    20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.

BOLD= CHURCH LEADERS(Apostles)

Underline= The rest of us

[Josiah]

You read the words of the apostles and then decide for yourself what the words mean.

Jesus told us to listen to the Church.

You choose to lean on your own understanding, which is why protestantism contains so many contradictory teachings.

No, Jesus tells us to listen to the Holy Spirit.  I dealt with this subject extensively, but you totally ignored it.  I'm still waiting for scriptural proof.

Jesus told US to listen to the leaders.  We don't get to make up our own message, we are to follow their message.



John 17
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

    20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.

BOLD= CHURCH LEADERS(Apostles)

Underline= The rest of us

1.  Where did Jesus tell anyone to listen to the RCC?

2.  Where did Jesus tell anyone that it's wrong to listen to self - except for the RCC, it just listen to self?

3.  Where did Jesus say anything about any denomination being unaccountable - yours, the EO, the LDS or mine?






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[Lively Stone]

Granted I know being Catholic or being protestant alone doesn't save anyone but I am starting to believe that God will find favor in those who immerse themselves into a more intimate relationship, lifestyle and Faith than others. That is what it means to be Catholic.


That what it means for a lot of us LH No protestant no catholic just a people of faith.

In that day the Lord will reap a harvest and his true bride will be taken out of this whole Catholic Protestant mess. I pray we all be there.

Being Catholic doesn't guarantee salvation, but it is easier if we follow the Church Jesus started.

Following the teachings of the Catholic Church faithfully leads to a closer walk with Jesus.

What is easier?

[Lively Stone]

dear chester We follow the church Jesus started when listen to his word and the apostles he chose to teach us. You see that's the only true way to follow the church he founded. Not some bogus 

You read the words of the apostles and then decide for yourself what the words mean.

Jesus told us to listen to the Church.

Where did He say that?

You choose to lean on your own understanding, which is why protestantism contains so many contradictory teachings.

What the RCC is putting out contradicts God.