Why is it believed by Catholics that Mary was a virgin her whole life?

[wayne]

I'm not sure where you went to see wayne, but you got some very wrong info.  The "Caesars" did not sit where the Vatican is.  Imperial Rome and the Caesars seat of government is across the Tiber in Rome.  We say the Church in Rome as an expression.  The Vatican is not in Rome because it is a completely separate country from Italy.  The Vatican State is it's own country and has nothing to do with the city of Rome or the Italian republic.  All Christians should honor the place of the Vatican.  St. Peter's is where it is because the "Circus Vaticinus" right in front of it is where hundreds of Christians were martyred for the faith by the pagan Romans.  St. Peter himself was tortured and murdered in front of the Emperor there.  His body, as with many of the Christian faithful, was taken to the many underground caves or catacombs, that Christians had dug underneath the gardens located near there on Vatican hill.  Underneath St. Peter's today is the graves of hundreds of our honored dead.  St. Peter is also believed by many to be buried there.  Holy Eucharist was celebrated using their sarcophagi as alters.  To this day, in every Catholic Church around the world, a bit of bone or a lock of hair, from a martyr for the faith is embedded in the alter.

yes my good friend, and christians are dying in front of the vatican. the named just changed. the funtion of the vatican is the same as the ceasars. to wipe out followers of christ. you are getting closer my friend, to the truth of the matter. my point is that the holy spirit does not direct the catholic church as they claim. its absurd to believe that in the light of past history and the daily news. money laundering, pedophiles, drug runing jesuits, cover ups, and yes, the jesuits still kill people that get in their way. they even killed a pope not long ago who tried to disband the jesuits. society of jesus. ha. catholic trick. give big holy names to the most vile of orgaizations. holy office,....ha, that office ran the murder of millions.. holy office, give me a break. but you my friend, you must believe its holy. more poewr to you.

[zoonance]

The reason I stopped posting here for awhile is that you can only discuss something with someone who's views are in the realm of reality.  I can totally understand why Protestants, who are informed, believe as they do, even though I disagree with it, but when you start hearing about the most bizarre things regarding the Catholic Church, and you encounter people who perpetually state things about the Catholic Church that are just plain erroneous;  that are not only not Catholic belief, but are beliefs that would get a Catholic excommunicated, and yet, when corrected, they still insist that those beliefs are real or you run across their posts later, and sure enough, they are posting the same old rot again as if they had never been corrected, then what do you do?  You just scratch your head and go on with life...

We have a winner....

Unfortunately, I reached this point a long time ago.  I just scratch my head and go on with life.  However, I do get a kick out of much that is written here, so I make it a point to visit from time to time.  Sometimes, it is better than going to the movies.

It does get interesting!  stuff hollywood dreams of.

[wayne]

FORMER CATHOLICS FOR CHRIST: Yes David, I agree totally. Rome is notorious for forbidding her people to read their Bibles, and if by some chance they should, then they are warned not to interpret them. Rome, however, interprets her behavior a little a bit differently:

"It is said that we deprive the Faithful of the word of God, which is the soul's daily bread. We may answer this falsehood by stating that while, indeed the Scripture is our soul's daily bread, Mother Church proportions it to our needs. Just as parents do not give the whole loaf to their children, or a knife with which to cut it lest they injure themselves, so it is the duty of the Church, of the priest or the preacher, to distribute this spiritual bread of the word of God to the people in portions suited to their requirements. It is said that the word of God is the light of the world. Well, indeed do we admit this truth. But we do not place a lighted candle in a child's hands, lest he burn himself" (The Priest, His Dignity and Obligations, "St." John Eubes, 99).

"From all of which it must be abundantly clear that the Bible alone is not a safe and competent guide because it is not now and has never been accessible to all, because it is not clear and intelligible to all, and because it does not contain ALL THE TRUTH of the Christian religion" (Finding Christ's Church, John A. O'Brien, p. 20). [How surprised this priest will be when Jesus reminds him at the White Throne Judgment of His words to His disciples. "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:" -- John 16:13. Once again Catholic doctrine calls Jesus Christ a liar! -- David Bay]


More than this, parts of the Bible are evidently unsuited to the very young or to the ignorant, and hence Clement XI condemned the proposition that the reading of Scripture is for all. These principles are fixed and invariable but the discipline of the Church with regard to the reading of the Bible in the vulgar tongue (language of the people) has varied with varying circumstances" (Catholic Dictionary, Addis & Arnold, 82).

"Through Luther, although Calvin seems to have been the first to announce Monobiblicism clearly, the Bible became the arm of the Protestant revolt. A DUMB AND DIFFICULT book was substituted for the living voice of the Church, in order that each one should be able to make for himself the religion which suited his feelings. And the Bible opened before every literate man and woman to interpret for themselves was the attractive bait used to win adherents" (Catholic Commentary, 11). [Wonderful. Now Catholicism calls the Holy Bible a "dumb and difficult book". Could Satan be any more pleased by this official denunciation of God's Word? -- David Bay, Cutting Edge Ministries]


want some more? or have you had enough? it only gets worster

[wayne]

here you go mr defender of your faith. no, the vatican would never forbid people to read the bible. remember, these catholic councils are binding, infallable and gods own edicts, as per the catholic church......FORMER CATHOLICS FOR CHRIST: Yes David, like I said before, Rome fears men reading for themselves and learning. The Council of Trent (as recorded in Decrees of the Council of Trent, Schroeder) states:

"...if the sacred books are permitted everywhere...in the vernacular, there will, by reason of the boldness of men, arise there from, more harm than good"(273-278).

It is Rome. s stand that God uses the teaching magesterium alone to interpret the word of God.

Defender, you muct crack ope your bible more often. the holy ghost does not recommend that. he has given us the word to read and learn. the holy spirit teaches us all things, according to bible. vatican says no, we teach you all things. vatican is anti christ in all its teachings. come out of her my friends

[broach972]

 

[wayne]

Extracts from Liguoris' "The Glories of Mary"
This is a very popular Roman Catholic book, many editions having been published, fully approved by the Church, and especially recommended by the cardinals Wiseman and Manning. Quotations are from the sixth edition, Spanish, Paris, 1883:

"She (Mary) is . . . the only hope of sinners (p. 69). In Judea, in olden times, there were cities of refuge, in which the criminals who there sought refuge were exempted from the punishment they merited. These cities are not now so numerous: there is only one, and this is Mary (p. 407).

"No one can be so suitable as Mary to detain with her hand the sword of Divine justice, preventing it from striking sinners. Before Mary came to the world, God lamented that there was no one to detain Him in the punishment of sinners; but the Virgin having been born, she appeases Him (p. 72).

"We will be heard and saved sooner by going to Mary, and invoking her holy name, than that of Jesus our Savior. We will find salvation sooner going to the mother than going to the Son (p. 82).

this blasphemy is worse that fleecing the flock of money. practicing and believe the above will keep you from salvation.  so a church that teaches this kind of antichrist message is above selling pergatory cards? desert my friend, get out while you have a chance.

[papist1]

VIII. Misunderstanding about Matthew 1:25 (Joseph knew her "not until")
Matt. 1:25 - this verse says Joseph knew her "not until ("heos", in Greek)" she bore a son. Some Protestants argue that this proves Joseph had relations with Mary after she bore a son. This is an erroneous reading of the text because "not until" does not mean "did not...until after." "Heos" references the past, never the future. Instead, "not until" she bore a son means "not up to the point that" she bore a son. This confirms that Mary was a virgin when she bore Jesus. Here are other texts that prove "not until" means "not up to the point that":

Matt. 28:29 - I am with you "until the end of the world." This does not mean Jesus is not with us after the end of the world.

Luke 1:80 - John was in the desert "up to the point of his manifestation to Israel." Not John "was in the desert until after" his manifestation.

Luke 2:37 - Anna was a widow "up to the point that" she was eighty-four years old. She was not a widow after eighty-four years old.

Luke 20:43 - Jesus says, "take your seat at my hand until I have made your enemies your footstool." Jesus is not going to require the apostles to sit at His left hand after their enemies are their footstool.

1 Tim. 4:13 - "up to the point that I come," attend to teaching and preaching. It does not mean do nothing "until after" I come.

Gen. 8:7 - the raven flew back and forth "up to the point that" [until] the waters dried from the earth. The raven did not start flying after the waters dried.

Gen. 28:15 - the Lord won't leave Jacob "up to the point that" he does His promise. This does not mean the Lord will leave Jacob afterward.

Deut. 34:6 - but "up to the point of today" no one knows Moses' burial place. This does not mean that "they did not know place until today."

2 Sam. 6:23 - Saul's daughter Micah was childless "up to the point" [until] her death. She was not with child after her death.

peace, papist