Chosenone said: There is no such place as purgatory, nor is there any where in the Bible that says we should confess to a priest. The state of Grace thing is also not Biblical, we are either saved or we are not. Only those who have accepted Jesus as their saviour are His children, others are in satans kingdom. The ONLY way we are saved or adopted into Gods family is through the death of Jesus. We need to go to God through Jesus to confess sins.
YOu may have been told things as you grew up, and in the church you go to, but many of them are clearly not Biblical. if a churches teaching isnt in line with the Bible then we can discount it, and SHOULD discount it.
Here we go again! EVERYTHING the Catholic Church teaches is Biblical, you just refuse to believe it's teaching on the matter and instead go to some newfangled biblical interpretation of the Holy Word. Again I will ask, which other Christian sect is right? Is it the 1st Baptist Church on Main street or the Assembly of God Church on Oak? Or perhaps it's the Apostolic Church of the Holy Word in the K-Mart shopping center?
I'll stick with the teaching church that has been around since day 1, thank you very much!
I prefer to stick to the teaching from the word of God and not a fallible church. Anything not in there, should be discounted.
Show me where it says that if something is not in the Bible, it should be discounted. Show me where in the Bible does the Holy Spirit state the canon of scripture.
Therein lies the core problem with the house of cards built in the reformation. Without an infallible Church, you don't even know what books make up the word of God with absolute certainty. And without absolute certainty you have no idea whether you are in orthodoxy or apostasy. Any one of the books, or even all of them, in this library of books called the Bible, might be not inspired at all; it took a Church, a group of people with authority and a guarantee of infallibility, to say with absolute certainty that "this book is inspired" and "this book is not".
We also don't listen to a fallible church. We listen to an infallible church, one that you reject, to your own detriment.
There is no such thing as an infallible church or an infallible person, which is why we need to hear the word of an infallible God and check everything against what He says.
The statement that you made here is fallible, isn't it? So in fact there may be an infallible church or an infallible person. And in fact there has to be for the word of God to be infallible.
Of course, in your mind the infallibility of any person of Church is somehow a natural infallibility rather than a divinely granted infallibility. Surely you believe that God could be the cause of a person or church to be infallible? Or do you believe that God is incapable of that?
God is surely perfectly capable of making sure that what is in the Bible is what He wanted there.
Of course God is capable of making sure what is in the Bible is what He wanted there. And man is also capable of making sure that the things he didn't want in the Bible is not there, and that is exactly what the Protestant revolutionaries did.
God was also capable of making the Bible fall from the sky, but He did not. Rather, He used the Church.
God was also capable of writing the Bible himself with his own human hands, but He did not. Rather He used the Church.
God was also capable of preserving the autographs (the original copies of the Bible) but He did not. Rather, He used the Church to preserve the Gospel precisely.
God was also capable of ensuring that human languages would make it possible to exactly and precisely translate the words of scripture into any language but He did not. Rather, He used the Church which He grew and spread to all countries, speaking all languages, to preach His word unadulterated.
God was also capable of ensuring that human copyists would exactly and without error copy the originals so as to preserver exactly the words of the autographs, but he did not. Rather, he ensured the Truth would remain despite the introduction of imperfections in the text, and He did so through His Church, which He founded.
God is certainly capable of anything. But the fact is that God's chosen method to preserve the gospel perfectly was in the hearts of men and through preaching in union with "what you heard from the beginning", not through the distribution of literature for people to "fallibly" (your words) interpret with complete disregard with what was preached from the beginning and maintained through the Church which God not only instituted but also sustains and protects through His power, an act of God which is rightly makes the Church "infallible".
So I reiterate, in denying that the Church is infallible or that individuals are infallible is akin to denying that scripture is inerrant or that the Canon of scripture can be known.