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« on: December 28, 2008, 02:47:58 PM »

Hi Guys:

How many of you out there have seen any movement in your parishes towards having a traditional mass as a resuly of the recent encyclical put our by Pope Benedict?
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2008, 07:42:38 AM »

Hi Guys:

How many of you out there have seen any movement in your parishes towards having a traditional mass as a resuly of the recent encyclical put our by Pope Benedict?

Mixed results.  You can attend the Tridentine mass at one church that I know of in the area where I live--the church is about 50 minutes where I live.  A priest refused to entertain such a thought at my former church where I was once registered.  Of course, he was the same priest that was involved in the controversy surrounding Obama and those who voted for him--Father Jay Scott Newman of St. Mary's in Greenville, SC.  I transferred my registration to a church much closer to me.  Unfortunately, the traditional mass is not offered there either.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2009, 01:42:05 PM »

Hi guys,
As you know, I'm not Catholic, but I'm not posting here to debate anything.  Rather, I have a question about this thread....what is a "traditional mass"?  In the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, we have a "standard" worship book that has four or five different Divine Services.  Does the RCC have such a thing?  I was always under the impression that our traditional liturgy was fairly similar to yours, but a Catholic co-worker told me that he has always been in churches where the service would be what I would call "contemporary" (which is really a code word for bad '70s folk music), not traditional.
Anyone care to enlighten me?
Thanks
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2009, 02:57:58 PM »

Hi guys,
As you know, I'm not Catholic, but I'm not posting here to debate anything.  Rather, I have a question about this thread....what is a "traditional mass"?  In the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, we have a "standard" worship book that has four or five different Divine Services.  Does the RCC have such a thing?  I was always under the impression that our traditional liturgy was fairly similar to yours, but a Catholic co-worker told me that he has always been in churches where the service would be what I would call "contemporary" (which is really a code word for bad '70s folk music), not traditional.
Anyone care to enlighten me?
Thanks


The Tridentine Mass, which I call the traditional mass, was the mass that was used for centuries until the Second Vatican Council and Pope Paul introduced the new mass.

Here's a neat site that show the mass in a series of photos:
http://www.traditionalmass.org/mass/

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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2009, 05:18:19 PM »

Interesting.  The things I noticed the most were that our Divine Service contains most of the same elements of the Mass and that the congregation, in our church, gives the replies instead of the server.  We don't adore the elements as you do, but they are kept on the altar and special care is taken with them.  If anyone has an interest, I think I can find a PDF of our Divine Services for comparison.
Thank you for the information, it was great to see!
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2009, 11:14:29 AM »

Does traditional/Tridentine mass also include praying the Liturgy in Latin?  Or is this optional/permitted?

(FWIW, the Orthodox have four basic Liturgies: St. John Chyrsostom, St. Basil, St. Gregory [Pre-Sanctified], and St. James.  The first is used normally, the second is primarily used during Sundays of Lent, the third is used during weekdays of Lent, and the last is rarely observed, and normally only on the feast of St. James on 23 Oct.)
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2009, 01:58:47 PM »

Does traditional/Tridentine mass also include praying the Liturgy in Latin?  Or is this optional/permitted?

You know, thats a great question, and I'll tell you why:

The New Mass is usually in English, but if you watch the daily mass on EWTN you will see them celebrating with a mixture of Latin and English. I like the mixture. Now thats the New Mass.

Now, the Tridentine Mass which you are asking about is always in celebrated Latin. BUT, I personally know of no regulation that says it cannot be celebrated in the vernacular. In fact, I would like to see it in the vernacular. But to the best of my knowledge it has never been celebrated in the vernacular.
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2009, 09:14:29 AM »

Hi guys,
As you know, I'm not Catholic, but I'm not posting here to debate anything.  Rather, I have a question about this thread....what is a "traditional mass"?  In the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, we have a "standard" worship book that has four or five different Divine Services.  Does the RCC have such a thing?  I was always under the impression that our traditional liturgy was fairly similar to yours, but a Catholic co-worker told me that he has always been in churches where the service would be what I would call "contemporary" (which is really a code word for bad '70s folk music), not traditional.
Anyone care to enlighten me?
Thanks


I am not a liturgy expert, but in general terms, 'tradional' Lutheran services are akin to Cranmer's Anglicanism not the Tridentine Mass, or the Byzantine liturgy, etc.
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2009, 09:20:35 AM »

Hi Guys:

How many of you out there have seen any movement in your parishes towards having a traditional mass as a resuly of the recent encyclical put our by Pope Benedict?

Mixed results.  You can attend the Tridentine mass at one church that I know of in the area where I live--the church is about 50 minutes where I live.  A priest refused to entertain such a thought at my former church where I was once registered.  Of course, he was the same priest that was involved in the controversy surrounding Obama and those who voted for him--Father Jay Scott Newman of St. Mary's in Greenville, SC.  I transferred my registration to a church much closer to me.  Unfortunately, the traditional mass is not offered there either.

The Latin Mass terrifies "Catholic' liberals as much as it terrifies the ADL and was the first thing that 'reformers' wanted to destroy.
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2009, 10:34:00 PM »

We have St Margaret Mary Catholic Church in Oakland that offers the Traditional Latin Mass seven days a week.  There is a High Mass on Sunday and Holy Days, plus on weekday evening there is a Low Mass.  The High Mass has Gregorian Chants sung by the choir accompanied by an Organ. The Tridentine Mass has a different Sunday on the calender and the Chants are different for each one of those Sundays.  There are also recorded rehearsals at St. Benedict's Monastery in Sao Paulo, Brazil, and they can be loaded free into my MP3 player.  I listen to these Latin Chants during my daily walk. Here is the site for free MP3 downloads:

 

http://www.christusrex.org/www2/cantgreg/index_eng.html

 

The church has a pile of Latin Missals for the Tridentine Mass, but most Traditional Catholic have purchased a much larger and thicker one.  If the worshiper is a Catholic there shouldn't be any problems with following along.  Communion is taken on your knees at the rail up in front, and we put our hands under the table cloth.  I am not allowed to take communion, so I cross my arms across my chest when the priest approaches me.  Anyone can attend that mass and get a blessing from the priest up at the rail with their arms crossed on their chest like I do.  It's all very quiet after Mass, and everyone goes directly to their car.  No fellowship.  Truthfully, I don't think they know how to Christian Fellowship.  The daily late afternoon Low Mass is without Chants and a much shorter service.  The priest doesn't change his garments like during High Mass.

 

Whether a person is Catholic or Protestant (or whatever?) the medieval humanities, art, and music are worth attending once in a while.  The Mass is done with strict precision and every movement has a Latin name.  However, the Missal is dated 1965 (or a date close to that)  And, like everything else that the Catholic do, the Popes through the centuries have modified it.  But of course, when it comes to my wife and I being banished for getting married in a Protestant Church, that Canon Law will stand until the day we die.  When I went into the confession booth at one of these Traditional Latin Masses the priest refused to absolve my sins.  I don't know how he can face me at the rail after a heartless deed like that?  Especially now that they gave Ted Kennedy a Royal Catholic Funeral?  I will mention the Kennedy Funeral next time I go in there, and I'm sure that many others will do so also.  Not to mention getting kicked out of the Catholic Answers Forum twice for posting my views about my Christian Marriage of 21 years.
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2009, 10:48:05 AM »

Dear Banished,

Maybe the issue is with your priest. I know Catholic priests (in NYC) who have no problem approving marriages between Catholics and Jews. Your priest sounds way more hardcore than the Catholic priests I 'm familiar with
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2009, 06:24:31 PM »

Dear Banished,

Maybe the issue is with your priest. I know Catholic priests (in NYC) who have no problem approving marriages between Catholics and Jews. Your priest sounds way more hardcore than the Catholic priests I 'm familiar with

Absolutely, the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest is probably the most Conservative Priesthood on the planet.  My second wife and I were confirmed Catholics under Novus Ordo, and will not return to that liberal Mass with 1970's hippie music.  You would have to visit one of our California churches to believe it.  The Protestant Mega Churches are much better here in California.  The other alternative is the Catholic Traditional Latin Mass.  The Traditional Catholic congregation at a church picnic is very similar to the behavior of Conservative Protestantism.

 

One of the obstacles is that I am being sent back to my neighborhood Catholic Church that is one of those hippie Novus Ordo Churches.  Neither my wife nor I are ready to get up in front of those hippies and pronounce our marriage as being invalid, because we were married 21 years ago as Born Again Christians.

Richard
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2009, 12:32:42 PM »

We have St Margaret Mary Catholic Church in Oakland that offers the Traditional Latin Mass seven days a week......

Hey! I have been there several times myself! Its a beautiful church
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