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The Evolution of a Creationist by Jobe Martin
« on: Sat Oct 12, 2013 - 12:00:27 »
Jobe Martin was a biologist and dentist.  The story of his Christianity begins as he sits in the officers club while enrolled in USAF Basic Medical Training.  He says a prayer asking God to show him the woman he will marry lest he become one of the wildest air force officers ever seen.  That very day he met the woman he married, and began going to church and pledged his life to Christ.  But still, he was committed to evolution.

While teaching at Baylor College that viewpoint was challenged by two of his students.  They wanted him to prove evolution.  At the time he thought the challenge easy, it was 1971, and anyone of any intelligence could see the veracity of evolution theory.  He set out to show them the evidence of this truth.

What he discovered is that evolution required as much faith as creation.  Although portrayed as fact by much of the scientific community, evolution falls short of even the label, 'scientific theory'.  This book reveals what he discovered.

Containing many references to scripture, but also the words of secular scientists are used to prove his point while eliminating some of the creationist bias that colors most similar works.  A compelling case for creation develops.

In addition each chapter is followed by an example of one of God's remarkable creatures that defies an evolutionary religion.  This provides a rather refreshing diversion as one makes his/her way through the book.

The book is well written in a style that is easily understood by the layman, and is an enjoyable read.

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Re: The Evolution of a Creationist by Jobe Martin
« Reply #1 on: Thu Oct 17, 2013 - 06:57:11 »
http://pleiotropy.fieldofscience.com/2009/04/another-creationist-dentist-expert-on.html
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Jobe Martin, a native of Bloomsburg, PA, was a biology major at Bucknell University and a 1966 graduate of the University of Pittsburgh Dental School. After spending two years in the Air Force, he established a private dental practice at NASA in Houston. Jobe and his wife, Jenna Dee, moved to Dallas in 1971 when he assumed a teaching post at the Baylor College of Dentistry. In 1982, he made the decision to enroll at Dallas Theological Seminary. He graduated in 1986 with a Masters of Theology in Systematic Theology. Dr. Martin also has an Associates Degree in Business from Eastfield Community College in Dallas.

In other words, Dr. Jobe Martin was conspicuously unqualified to evaluate the evidence for evolution. He hasn't studied evolution, perhaps apart from a class or two in his days as a pre med.

But, he could very well have spent the last twenty years as a serious student of evolution. So did he?

Dr. Jobe Martin has spent the last twenty years studying the topic of Biblical Creation vs. Evolution, and lectures frequently on the subject. He began his scientific career as a dentist, and a believer in Darwinian evolution, as he had been taught in numerous courses in high school, undergraduate school, and dental school. Some of his Christian students at the Baylor College of Dentistry challenged him to prove to them that evolution was a correct, complete and accurate explanation for the origin of the earth and all of its abundance of unique life forms.

Hmmm... Numerous courses in high school and dental school? I know how little evolution is taught nowadays in high school, and how little students care. Could be that high schools were totally focused on evolution in the 1950's. It could be that he loved evolution as a pre med and took lots of courses on evolution, and related subjects. Could it also be that he took numerous evolution classes in dental school? Sounds doubtful. I'd pay good money too see his transcripts.

But studying biblical creation vs. evolution does emphatically not qualify you as an expert, I am sorry to say. It does not mean that he submerged in evolutionary theory, learning all he could, and then years afterward did his best to honestly assess the evidence pro and con. Rather, as a committed creationist, it sounds like he set out from the beginning looking to misrepresent evidence as though it does not support evolution. He certainly wouldn't be the first.

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Re: The Evolution of a Creationist by Jobe Martin
« Reply #2 on: Thu Oct 17, 2013 - 08:21:19 »
Jobe Martin was a biologist and dentist.  The story of his Christianity begins as he sits in the officers club while enrolled in USAF Basic Medical Training.  He says a prayer asking God to show him the woman he will marry lest he become one of the wildest air force officers ever seen.  That very day he met the woman he married, and began going to church and pledged his life to Christ.  But still, he was committed to evolution.

While teaching at Baylor College that viewpoint was challenged by two of his students.  They wanted him to prove evolution.  At the time he thought the challenge easy, it was 1971, and anyone of any intelligence could see the veracity of evolution theory.  He set out to show them the evidence of this truth.

What he discovered is that evolution required as much faith as creation.  Although portrayed as fact by much of the scientific community, evolution falls short of even the label, 'scientific theory'.  This book reveals what he discovered.

Containing many references to scripture, but also the words of secular scientists are used to prove his point while eliminating some of the creationist bias that colors most similar works.  A compelling case for creation develops.

In addition each chapter is followed by an example of one of God's remarkable creatures that defies an evolutionary religion.  This provides a rather refreshing diversion as one makes his/her way through the book.

The book is well written in a style that is easily understood by the layman, and is an enjoyable read.

Evolution and creation need not be in conflict.  It very often is primarily because the one speaking about evolution does not believe in the creation and similarly it often is primarily because the one speaking about creation doesn't believe in evolution.  So that it usually is not about either evolution or creation but rather about the evolutionist or the creationist.

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Re: The Evolution of a Creationist by Jobe Martin
« Reply #3 on: Fri Oct 18, 2013 - 12:16:32 »
http://pleiotropy.fieldofscience.com/2009/04/another-creationist-dentist-expert-on.html
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Rather, as a committed creationist, it sounds like he set out from the beginning looking to misrepresent evidence as though it does not support evolution. He certainly wouldn't be the first.


The problem is that argument works both ways, as one committed to a worldview where everything MUST have a naturalistic cause must come up with suppositions that preclude God.

I will concede that there are some shortcomings in Jobe's arguments, and he has some ideas that I simply believe are wrong, yet still some of the content of this book is not easily refuted. 

The above is merely an attack on the author, not his arguments.  It seems that whenever an evolutionist admits to the shortcomings in the theory, even when an atheist (not the case here as Jobe honestly discloses his Christianity), he is categorized as a closet creationist and insincere and dismissed as a fool with an agenda.

As Jimmy mentions evolution need not conflict with creation, although I do not believe in evolution, I find the idea rather intriguing, imagine one so powerful he could create the seed that would lead to all around us.  Jobe seems to feel that those that believe in such a method to creation, may be risking there salvation, I certainly do not hold this view.  Although, I am not an evolutionist, I will not be surprised should I meet a theistic evolutionist in heaven, of course at that point they will know they were wrong,  ::doh:: or perhaps it will be I that is corrected.

New world/ancient world, evolutionary mechanisms/discrete creation of kinds; whatever, what is important is that we know God is responsible, and to Him we owe our life here, and with Him our eternal existence is assured.





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