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Several nights ago I posted the story of how my wife left me in December 09 for a man whom she first fornicated with and who took her virginity. (That was way back in 1974, when she was only 13! He was allegedly the h.s. stud whom all the girls wanted and now my wife feels like she FINALLY won out over all the other girls who wanted him after 36 yrs.)

What I didn't post was that she was married 3 times before I married her in 1998. I was married twice before I married her. But I was not a Christian until just recently. I had thought when I married my wife that she was a commited serious Christian who had put away her sexual sins from the past, but perhaps I married the wrong person.

To me a true Christian is someone who is seriously bothered by ANY sin that they commit. A true Christian cannot continue to sin over and over and not be bothered by their sin. A true Christian hates his or her sin--and when they sin--they quickly confess it to Jesus have a change of heart and mind. They repent. Jesus said, "If you love me you'll obey me." I take that verse extremely seriously.

Now we all sin from time to time, but I'm not talking about the occasional sin. I'm talking about a long walk away from God's will and His word into a sinful lifestyle; in this case: ADULTERY! And then DIVORCING a spouse so that one can be with their co-adulterer.

This is a two part question that I want your opinions on:

1) Can a person be a true Christian and commit adultery? If so, then how do they assuage their conscience? If they're truly saved, can they have any peace from God? (I can't even begin to imagine commiting adultery against my spouse.)

2) Have some of you experienced former spouses who commited adultery and what became of them for this sin? What were their consequences? Aren't there always consequences for sin? Does God bless adulterous unions?





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1. Yes. They assuage it the same way anyone else does. The preferred option though, is that they would correct both their heart and their behavior. However, her current marriage (assuming she's married) is just as valid as any of hers or yours have been. If she follows God, God will bless her.

2. Does not apply.

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You believe that God blesses marriages formed out of adultery? I wasn't a Christian until recently and so in my past I had no regard for what Scripture said about marriage or adultery.

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God blesses those that turn to Him. How He does that is up to Him.

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So then you believe that when the temptation of lust turns into the action of adultery and the adulterer divorces their spouse to be with the co-adulterer, God says, "Oh well, they're turning to me now (or at some point) so I'll overlook their sin and bless them?" Is that what you believe?

Aren't you forgetting that sins have consequences? And that God HATES divorce?

And I'm speaking of two people who are Christians. Not people who are unsaved. Btw, the co-adulterer is unsaved, so my soon-to-be-ex is eventually going to yoke herself to an unbeliever.

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1) Can a person be a true Christian and commit adultery? If so, then how do they assuage their conscience? If they're truly saved, can they have any peace from God? (I can't even begin to imagine commiting adultery against my spouse.)

Of course this is my opinion. But here goes.. Based on 1 John 3

Yes and no.

Yes, a Christian can sin. But no, they can't live in sin. That is not biblical. We (sinners) love to say we can live however we want and still claim salvation and claim to be a child of God. But according to scripture, if you live in sin, you are of the devil.

Scripture goes on to tell us that we will know who the children of God are through this same "litmus" test. There are many, even here on this forum, who will disagree with that. All I can say is, if they can "excuse" living in sin but say they have the Lord, well, they are indeed something the Word said that they couldn't be.

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2) Have some of you experienced former spouses who commited adultery and what became of them for this sin? What were their consequences? Aren't there always consequences for sin? Does God bless adulterous unions?

Been there, done that.. Got the T-shirt. She is still living the same way. And yes, there is always consequences. Outwardly it appears she hasn't paid any yet.. But who knows what she has going through her mind. I say of my ex-wife all the time that I do not know how she sleeps at night.. But when you are just immersed in sin, you get used to the lifestyle I guess.

And by the way, my ex also claims to be a Christian. But she has no fruit at all. None.





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NYP~

Why do you assume that just because someone has become a Christian they never sin again?  Or that they are never tempted again? Or that they are always capable of denying their flesh?

Why do you assume that the enemy doesn't have a mighty powerful arsenal of weapons to use? 

Why do you assume that walking away from God's grace is a difficult thing?  The enemy makes it mighty tempting.

We are human - we fall - we have to get back on the path - As long as you think that because we are Christians we are inherently perfect - you will fall too.


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NYP~

Why do you assume that just because someone has become a Christian they never sin again?  Or that they are never tempted again? Or that they are always capable of denying their flesh?

He didn't post that. In fact he posted this:
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Now we all sin from time to time, but I'm not talking about the occasional sin. I'm talking about a long walk away from God's will and His word into a sinful lifestyle; in this case: ADULTERY! And then DIVORCING a spouse so that one can be with their co-adulterer.

You put way more into what he posted than was there. Way more.

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Why do you assume that the enemy doesn't have a mighty powerful arsenal of weapons to use?

He didn't even elude to that. But he did suggest that what Christ gives us, is stronger or should be than the temptation to LIVE in sin.

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Why do you assume that walking away from God's grace is a difficult thing?  The enemy makes it mighty tempting.

Because the bible says so? We, as Christians should be in spiritual agony when we are sinning.

And while the enemy does make sin tempting, God has given us a way out of ALL temptation. Again, according to the Word.

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We are human - we fall - we have to get back on the path - As long as you think that because we are Christians we are inherently perfect - you will fall too.

Again, he never even eluded to this. Not once.

Please do not be offended, but it seems as though this has touched a nerve or something with you. Maybe with some of your past choices? I do not know, but you assumed way to much into his post.

But as I answered his post, the bible says that the child of God CAN'T live in sin. The Word says that if you do, you're of the devil.. Harsh? Maybe... True? Absolutely.. Why? Because the Word says so.

Have a blessed day...

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Mac~
Not offended and no it didn't really strike a nerve, and while he might not have specified those things...can you see how you can get there?

Even the title of his post "Can a True Chrisitan...."

While the Bible says that we should be in spiritual agony when we sin, that doesn't mean that it stops us from sinning....

What I 'read' into the post is what I have seen in a few other questions posted recently - looking for a justification for the poster to feel better than someone else (in this case a spouse) - "Look, I am a better Chrisitan because you did xyz." 

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To me a true Christian is someone who is seriously bothered by ANY sin that they commit. A true Christian cannot continue to sin over and over and not be bothered by their sin. A true Christian hates his or her sin--and when they sin--they quickly confess it to Jesus have a change of heart and mind. They repent. Jesus said, "If you love me you'll obey me." I take that verse extremely seriously.

Now we all sin from time to time, but I'm not talking about the occasional sin. I'm talking about a long walk away from God's will and His word into a sinful lifestyle; in this case: ADULTERY! And then DIVORCING a spouse so that one can be with their co-adulterer.

He is making assumptions here.  He is assuming how someone else feels - just because she is in sin doesn't mean that he knows how she is feeling about it.  My sins tormented me for years - granted I wasn't saved yet - but God sure made certain that I wasn't comfortable in it.  So the OP doesn't know what is going on with her. 

As far as God is concerned the 'occasional sin' is just as distasteful to God as a 'long walk away.' There is no measuring stick.

Yes, these are the things the Bible says...does that mean that humanity lives it out perfectly the moment they become Chrisitan?  The only one I know of that has lived a perfect Christian life is Christ - no one before or since has been able to - so while, yes this is what the Bible says, this is not how we live.

I don't agree that I put in way more - I think he wants to know if he's a better Christian...cuz 'Christians' don't do that....and yet we see all the time that they do, they have, and they will continue to do so.

The moment you start believing that you aren't capable of 'falling' into a major sin because YOU are a CHRISITAN is the moment the enemy starts chipping away at your pedestal...


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The bible warns Christians that Satan is like a hungry lion prowling around seeking whom he might devour. If Christians can't be devoured, the Holy Spirit wasted some ink. I have seen true Christians faithful for decades become devoured by Satan. That is when they commit the sin of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and walk away from God. If not Godly sorrow leading to repentence would ensue.
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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #10 on: Mon Mar 01, 2010 - 12:19:52 »
Mac~
Not offended and no it didn't really strike a nerve, and while he might not have specified those things...can you see how you can get there?

No, not really. I took it as a simple statement. Maybe he didn't explain it all clearly. But, I know where he is at and what he is feeling. I have been there.. Done that. It is a very hurtful and damaging blow when you are on the receiving end of these things.

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Even the title of his post "Can a True Chrisitan...."

I think his post, though, was more appropriately worded.. Can someone, who calls themselves a Christian, live in sin. Not just commit a sin.. But live in a constant state of sin.. There is a big difference. And the biblical answer to that is, no. According to 1 John 3. And others of course.. That scripture just comes to mind first.

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While the Bible says that we should be in spiritual agony when we sin, that doesn't mean that it stops us from sinning....

No, you're right. But again, there is a difference between sinning and living in sin. The whole idea of repentance is to repent of it and turn from it. How can one repent of the same sin everyday and there be no effort to change? It makes the whole process a joke really.

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What I 'read' into the post is what I have seen in a few other questions posted recently - looking for a justification for the poster to feel better than someone else (in this case a spouse) - "Look, I am a better Chrisitan because you did xyz."  

I didn't see the other post. Well, maybe I did... But nothing sticks out.. But for one thing is for sure, people have a bad habit of "grading" sin. That is the wrong way to approach sin. Sin, is sin. A murderer is no more or less a sinner than a liar. Or someone who cheats on their taxes. Or the adulterer.. Drunkard, etc....

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He is making assumptions here.  He is assuming how someone else feels - just because she is in sin doesn't mean that he knows how she is feeling about it.  My sins tormented me for years - granted I wasn't saved yet - but God sure made certain that I wasn't comfortable in it.  So the OP doesn't know what is going on with her.  

Some people are so immersed in their sin life that it doesn't bother them. The bible talks about this as well. The reprobate mind.

God will stop knocking.

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As far as God is concerned the 'occasional sin' is just as distasteful to God as a 'long walk away.' There is no measuring stick.

I am going to have to disagree with you here. Yes, sin is sin.. But the Word says that it is impossible to live in sin and be of God. Never said we will not sin. But if we LIVE in sin, we are not a child of God.

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Yes, these are the things the Bible says...does that mean that humanity lives it out perfectly the moment they become Chrisitan?  The only one I know of that has lived a perfect Christian life is Christ - no one before or since has been able to - so while, yes this is what the Bible says, this is not how we live.

True. But we are to strive to be like Christ. Will we ever be without sin? One day, when we are in heaven. Can we achieve that here on earth? We are to strive towards it either way.

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I don't agree that I put in way more - I think he wants to know if he's a better Christian...cuz 'Christians' don't do that....and yet we see all the time that they do, they have, and they will continue to do so.

I think what he was saying is that, people like that have no "fruit". And without fruit, there is no Christian. I think that is more along the lines of what he tried to get across. What a man has perverted in Gods Word, doesn't change what it means. Men have told us that Christians can "live" in sin.. Because we are all sinners... The Word happens to disagree with that stance.

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The moment you start believing that you aren't capable of 'falling' into a major sin because YOU are a CHRISITAN is the moment the enemy starts chipping away at your pedestal...

True, but the moment people think that they are a Christian, even though they have no fruit and continue to live in sin, they are deceiving themselves. And the enemy will not even bother to "chip" away.. He has them where he wants them already. Believing a lie.

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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #11 on: Mon Mar 01, 2010 - 12:35:02 »
What you say is true Mac - I was approaching it from the 'those without sin cast the first stone'  or 'judge not least you be judged' view -

I don't like to attempt to judge someone else's walk with God based on their 'fruit' - because they appear to be living in sin by our standpoint - we do not know what battle is being waged within them - we do not know what God is teaching them - we do not know where they are in their walk....you judge them by their 'fruit' instead of praying, guiding, assisting, helping?

'you will know by their fruit'...what about your fruit?....how are you going to respond?  Are you going to give the grace and forgiveness that God would give?

(Please note: most of the 'you' terminology used in this post references the general 'you' not the specific 'you'.)

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« Reply #12 on: Mon Mar 01, 2010 - 13:30:16 »
What you say is true Mac - I was approaching it from the 'those without sin cast the first stone'  or 'judge not least you be judged' view -

I don't like to attempt to judge someone else's walk with God based on their 'fruit' - because they appear to be living in sin by our standpoint - we do not know what battle is being waged within them - we do not know what God is teaching them - we do not know where they are in their walk....you judge them by their 'fruit' instead of praying, guiding, assisting, helping?

'you will know by their fruit'...what about your fruit?....how are you going to respond?  Are you going to give the grace and forgiveness that God would give?

(Please note: most of the 'you' terminology used in this post references the general 'you' not the specific 'you'.)

Understood.

See Matthew 7:15-23
15"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
16"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
17"So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
18"A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20"So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Galations 5
13For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
14For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
15But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.
16But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
17For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.
18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
19Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
20idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
21envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
24Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.
26Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.

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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #13 on: Mon Mar 01, 2010 - 18:41:10 »
So then you believe that when the temptation of lust turns into the action of adultery and the adulterer divorces their spouse to be with the co-adulterer, God says, "Oh well, they're turning to me now (or at some point) so I'll overlook their sin and bless them?" Is that what you believe?

Aren't you forgetting that sins have consequences? And that God HATES divorce?

And I'm speaking of two people who are Christians. Not people who are unsaved. Btw, the co-adulterer is unsaved, so my soon-to-be-ex is eventually going to yoke herself to an unbeliever.
I'm saying that every sin is treated the same way by God. It matters not if you're a mass murderer. If you turn to God, you're in.

Are there consequences? Most times there are. Are they implemented by God? Maybe, maybe not. Is there a requirement that God exact punishment for every sin you commit after becoming a Christian? If not, why must He exact judgment against anyone else?

The best thing you can do is let go of the hurt, and move on.

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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #14 on: Tue Mar 02, 2010 - 05:19:01 »
I am living in a marriage that was based and built on adultery.  I was not saved he was back slid-en and yes we built our marriage on the sand not the ROCK.  Right now we are going through a major crisis from which I can only pray and trust God that we will survive.  Right now praying is trusting is all I have.  When we BOTH have turned to God and repented - God is now ripping down our marriage to the foundation and with his GRACE rebuilding it.  Are we reaping what we sowed - I believe we are - has God forgiven us - I believe He has - is our journey in this as pain free as those who built their marriages on solid ground absolutely not.  We are having to for the want of a better word PAY for our sins in this - but I do honestly belief that if we have truly repented - turned our hearts to Him and honestly with our hearts ask for forgiveness and a new a Godly marriage to come from all this He will be faithful to answer that prayer.

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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #15 on: Tue Sep 21, 2010 - 21:01:29 »
My brother named NeedingYourPrayers, Do not let these people lie to you (exception of mac). No adulterer will inherit the kingdom of God. It is impossible. Its amazing how people who have the wrong no view of scripture (not bothered to read all scripture and use their God given mind coupled with the understanding of the Holy Spirit) automatically assume all sins is the same and lead onto death e.g. a liar, murderer, and adultery have different weights of sin. All sins are the same when it comes to our salvation e.g. breaking the Ten Commandments. But when it comes to different category of sins God is not STUPID he knows the human heart. Let’s look at the book of Deuteronomy. The only sins God said to kill for was 1) idol worship 2) murder (when there are witnesses) 3) adultery (when there are witnesses).
There is no where were scripture says kill the person when someone steals or lies etc. The scripture tells us in the case of e.g. stealing the person pays back tenfold to the innocent. Not all sins lead onto death. The scripture even tells us when Christ stood before Pilate He said “The ones who gave me into your hands have the greater sin

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« Reply #16 on: Tue Sep 21, 2010 - 23:48:20 »
1) Can a person be a true Christian and commit adultery?
Yes.

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If so, then how do they assuage their conscience?
Same way you do.

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If they're truly saved, can they have any peace from God?
Yes.

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(I can't even begin to imagine committing adultery against my spouse.)
This isn't about you; it's about God and His grace and mercy.

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2) Have some of you experienced former spouses who committed adultery and what became of them for this sin? What were their consequences? Aren't there always consequences for sin?
Always consequences; but not necessarily the ones you may want to see.

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Does God bless adulterous unions?
God blesses and disciplines those who seek Him. Even those who have committed adultery.

I'll ignore for now whether a married woman having sex with her husband is adulterous.

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« Reply #17 on: Wed Sep 22, 2010 - 00:10:47 »
My brother named NeedingYourPrayers, Do not let these people lie to you (exception of mac). No adulterer will inherit the kingdom of God. It is impossible. Its amazing how people who have the wrong no view of scripture (not bothered to read all scripture and use their God given mind coupled with the understanding of the Holy Spirit)
Well, except you, of course.

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automatically assume all sins is the same and lead onto death e.g. a liar, murderer, and adultery have different weights of sin. All sins are the same when it comes to our salvation
Well see that last part there? That's the important consideration, no?

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e.g. breaking the Ten Commandments. But when it comes to different category of sins God is not STUPID he knows the human heart. Let’s look at the book of Deuteronomy. The only sins God said to kill for was 1) idol worship 2) murder (when there are witnesses) 3) adultery (when there are witnesses).
There is no where were scripture says kill the person when someone steals or lies etc. The scripture tells us in the case of e.g. stealing the person pays back tenfold to the innocent. Not all sins lead onto death. The scripture even tells us when Christ stood before Pilate He said “The ones who gave me into your hands have the greater sin
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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #18 on: Wed Sep 22, 2010 - 00:53:57 »
I have seen Christians have affairs, and yes, even leave their spouses for the other person (who, in the 3 cases that I know of, weren't Christians either)
One married the other person, but I don't know the current situation, one broke up with the other man 2 months after the divorce, but she did want to marry the other man at some point.(that was my husband ex wife.) and the third, is living with the other lady but it isn't working out.

I believe that if the adulterer repents and admits to what they did, and is truly sorry, then God will forgive them. Hopefully if the repentance is real, they will also apologise to all those they betrayed and hurt as well and turn back to God. Whether God wants them to marry again I dont know, maybe not, but after true repentance, they are forgiven.

 I do find it hard to see how a marriage started this way, especially to a non Christian can be good,or blessed(after all, it is based on cheating lying and betrayal) and indeed marriages that have started this way don't often last, and have a very high failure rate.

I would say that if your wife has now left her 3rd husband,and possibly going to marry her 4Th, she has some serious issues that need to be sorted out. 

As for the consequenses, well we do reap what we sow. Even if we do repent, and get forgiven, there will always be consequenses. Many regret what they did, for deeply hurting their spouses and  children and wider family. Some desperately regret loosing their spouse and some have disastrous marriages following this. They may loose their children, or at least their childrens respect.
For those whose affair doesnt last, they may never meet anyone else and may spend the rest of their life alone. This is especially true for older Christian women for whom available Christian guys are rare. God may not want them to get married again anyway, as has been mentioned. Their spiritual life will probably suffer and they may live with regret and shame.
For the one cheated on there is deep hurt rejection and pain,and also for the children, whose life has been turned upside down, their lives torn apart. Yes adultery is an awful thing.
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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #19 on: Wed Sep 22, 2010 - 06:13:08 »
HRoberson,

After reading alot of your past posts/comments I now realise it will be futile to even reply to your comments/post. I dont know what sort you are or what messenger you are but it certainly is not of the Lord. Your past posts/comments are seriously unbelievable hence I'm not at all surprised of your reply to my comments/post.

The main conclusion of my post was REPENTANCE and the fruit and proof of it.


Ecc 12:13  Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14  For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Thank God I decided to read your past posts first.

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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #20 on: Wed Sep 22, 2010 - 08:02:38 »
mac
Its really good to see you back here.

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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #21 on: Wed Sep 22, 2010 - 09:54:45 »
My brother named NeedingYourPrayers, Do not let these people lie to you (exception of mac). No adulterer will inherit the kingdom of God.

You sure are a light in this dark world...just shut out the blood of Christ; and get there on your own spiritual whiteness!

I don't think so...you are only condemning yourself.

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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #22 on: Wed Sep 22, 2010 - 16:03:06 »
It's horrid stuff but God knows my heart and I know He loves me. He hates what I have done but I know I have an everlasting relationship with Him because the spiritual and emotional pain that came from my adultery seems unbareable on a daily basis. I never felt "good" or "ok" about it. I just have to continue to give it to the Lord.

Sister...and I say that because you are a child of God!

There are those among us that would condemn...but, they are the wolves in sheep's clothing...never listen!

There is only one relationship that counts...and that is between you and your Creator, Savior & Friend (Jesus)...keep that relationship at all costs.  Listen to Him only!  His still small voice will always say...my grace is sufficient!

God Bless ::smile::


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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #23 on: Wed Sep 22, 2010 - 17:51:47 »
A couple of things.  First of all I have heard ever since I was saved that "all sin is the same to God" to which I say hogwash, which in Greek is hogwash.  :-)  There are at least two sins that are mentioned in the scriptures that are "worse" than any other sin.  In Matt 18:6, Jesus said, " But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."  For no other sin did He ever say anything of the sort.   The second is the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.  In Matt 12:32, Jesus said "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."  Also in 1 John 5:16-17 we read, "If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death."  Obviously there are two different types of sin, one leading to death and the other not leading to death (or at least a quicker death than usual.)

Then we turn to the OT.  In Exodus 20:5, God said "....I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me..."  This was punishment for worshipping idols.  This warning is not given for any other sin.

So there are "levels" of sin, and there are "levels" of the consequences for committing the different sins.  For instance if I murder my neighbor and get caught I will most likely spend the rest of my life in prison for that sin, but if I borrow the same neighbors claw hammer and never return it and get caught I will probably give it back and "suffer" not ever being trusted to return a borrowed tool ever again.  Both were sin but the consequences were vastly different.

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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #24 on: Wed Sep 22, 2010 - 18:37:54 »
I agree with you Ben.

All sin separates us from God, and some folks take that to mean that all sin is equivalent in the sight of God.

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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #25 on: Wed Sep 22, 2010 - 19:19:31 »
Hopeforfuture

I read your story and past responses/post by others regarding your situation and the events in your life and marriage.

I totally sympathize with what you have been through and your situation. It must have been unbearable and tough. Your husband certainly did not love you the way God commanded us to love our wife’s. Only the Lord knows why he behaved this way. His treatment of you was certainly unloving and cruel.  Only the Lord as the ability to discern what goes on between the soul and the heart of man. But hopeforfuture your husband can CHANGE. The LOVE for your husband can comeback. Your husband can start treating you well if you gave or had given God the chance to work on him. But alas there was another man in the picture and your heart was for him. Satan brought you an alternative. Oh how the adversary/enemy of our souls never changes his tactics. As he did to Eve he is doing to you by bringing you an alternative in this man

In your past posts people/brethren/posters gave you good advice according to the Holy Scriptures. Although you found some comments/posts harsh. Maybe they should have taken a diffrent approach they did speak truth. Like John the Baptist sometimes we need people like these sort who can home truth to certain type of people/individuals (characters). But it seems it never worked with you.

And judging by your above response neither did the truth calmly spoken by other posters worked with you.  Your heart and Satan have deceived you.

hopeforfuture. Read and study the scriptures yourself and you will know.

From your past posts it seems you only want people to give you advice that will justify your actions (sins).

But I will address the point/reference you make about King David to try and justify your sin. Most Christian counsellors will also use the event of King David in adultery as justification that God will overlook, but guess what hopeforfuture the Holy Scriptures tell us:

Mat 7:14  For narrow is the gate, and constricted is the way that leads away into life, and few are the ones finding it.

But hopeforfuture the truth is your husband never broke the marriage vows. You did. The scripture gives us the answer to your situation. You SEPERATE. Not look for love in another man. Blaming the wrong actions you took on your parents and your husband you clearly know is not true. The Holy Scripture clearly tells us

Jer 31:29  In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. Jer 31:30  But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.

Eze 18:19  Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.  Eze 18:20  The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him


Everyone always uses the story of David to confirm their sin of adultery. David deserved to die and go to hell for all he did but God didn’t kill him. But also you forget that David could marry Bathsheba because her husband was dead. David repented immediately upon Nathan pointing out his hidden sin. But hopeforfuture you seem to be justifying your actions by blaming others e.g. your husband, parents etc. David never did that. If God had said to David "David today you die" David would know God was just in His actions of killing him. But it seems we Christians nowadays if the penalty of adultery was death we won’t run out of excuses and those to blame for our actions/sins. This is what Adam and Eve did. Like Adam and Eve this is what you do hopeforfuture. But David never did this hence we wonder why God called him a man after my own heart.  Also just because David was forgiven did that then mean at the time of David all who committed adultery afterwards (with proof of witnesses) were spared the law, which was death? We all know the answer to that.

hopeforfuture your husband is still alive hence according to God you have no right to be in another relationship because you were the one that broke your marriage vows. hopeforfuture your husband never committed adultery. The only reasons you could divorce him and be in another relationship.

On David adultery again. We forget David was promised that the line of the Messiah will come via him. Also if people read the scriptures you would realise that God never supported David's adultery. Please look with me at the genealogy of Christ.

Mat 1:5  and Salmon fathered Boaz out of Rahab, and Boaz fathered Obed out of Ruth, and Obed fathered Jesse,  Mat 1:6  and Jesse fathered David the king. And David the king fathered Solomon out of her who had been the wife of Uriah,

God the Holy Spirit recorded that Bathsheba was the wife of Uriah. If David's marriage was ordained/accepted by God why didn’t the Spirit of God omit Uriah name. And just say "And David the king fathered Solomon with Bathsheba his WIFE"

hopeforfuture God will forgive you if you remain separate or try and reconcile with your husband. If it was the other way round and your husband was the one that committed adultery then yes you have a right (option, not mandatory. As you could forgive) to divorce and re-marry. No one is saying to stay with him but you have every right to separate but not to then go off with another man.

NOTE: Thank you  to Ben and The Great Baptizmo for reiterating better than I could have done on highlighting that “All sin separates us from God but there are levels of sin
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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #26 on: Wed Sep 22, 2010 - 19:26:45 »
HRoberson,

After reading alot of your past posts/comments I now realise it will be futile to even reply to your comments/post. I dont know what sort you are or what messenger you are but it certainly is not of the Lord.
I would say that your posts reflect the writing of an ungracious buffoon, but that wouldn't be graceful. So I will simply say that you seem to be overly emotional, tend to bowl people over with your vitriol, and posses a rather closed mind.

Have a nice day.

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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #27 on: Wed Sep 22, 2010 - 22:29:51 »
Hopeforfuture

That was a very good testimony, and I would say that it fully answered the question in the OP. I am glad you are determined to never let Satan whisper in your ear that you are unworthy of Christ's love.

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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #28 on: Wed Sep 22, 2010 - 22:36:56 »
Thank you Norton and Thankfulldad. Your encouraging words are uplifting to me. God bless you both.

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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #29 on: Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 07:45:13 »
Hopeforfuture

Thanks for your reply.

I’m glad you mentioned about God helping realise your hardened heart.  Reading your responses I still get the feeling you still don’t understand what REPENTANCE is.

I could help advice you but may I suggest you spend sometime on this website, which deals with relationship especially Christians in adultery or have committed adultery.  This will really answer all your questions also coupled with the Holy Scriptures. This site includes every type of questions anyone could have asked in justifying adultery or being confused on what they should do next.

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/divorce.htm (This question asked here is somewhat very, very similar to your situation)

http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/answersTopicA.htm#Adultery

Please click on the link and read al the answers/advice that was given to the question people like you have asked etc.

Also I suggest reading the ones on divorce as well
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/answersTopicD.htm#Divorce

May I ask you then?
1)   Have you cut off all contact with this other man that is not your husband?
2)   Are you and your husband divorced as we speak? If not are you attempting on reconciliation with your husband (I hope so. Same for him as well to want to reconcile)?
3) Or are you living seperate from your husband but still married? Is there a mediator trying to help fix the marriage?

Repentance is not owning up and admitting your mistakes it way, way more than that. Adultery (in your case as that is the subject we’re dealing with) is not a mistake it’s a grievous sin. And repentance is more than just one admitting that they are at fault. You say and talk a lot about grace but I wont even go there with you yet. You need to understand what repentance is all about first.  Look at what the dictionary says about repentance:

Repentance
REPENT'ANCE, n.


1. Sorrow for any thing done or said; the pain or grief which a person experiences in consequence of the injury or inconvenience produced by his own conduct.
2. In theology, the pain, regret or affliction which a person feels on account of his past conduct, because it exposes him to punishment. This sorrow proceeding merely from the fear of punishment, is called legal repentance, as being excited by the terrors of legal penalties, and it may exist without an amendment of life.
3. Real penitence; sorrow or deep contrition for sin, as an offense and dishonor to God, a violation of his holy law, and the basest ingratitude towards a Being of infinite benevolence. This is called evangelical repentance, and is accompanied and followed by amendment of life.
Repentance is a change of mind, or a conversion from sin to God.
Godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation. 2 Cor 7. Mat 3.
Repentance is the relinquishment of any practice, from conviction that it has offended God.

From all your past post and your last comments now you do not even understand let alone reach a place to understand what you have done. And feelings are not what will get you there.

Now let’s look at what the Holy Scriptures say:

2Co 7:8  For even if I grieved you in the letter, I do not regret, if indeed I did regret, for I see that letter grieved you for an hour. 2Co 7:9  Now I rejoice, not that you were grieved, but that you were grieved to repentance. For you were grieved according to God, that you might suffer loss in nothing by us. 2Co 7:10  For the grief according to God works repentance to salvation, not to be regretted. But the grief of the world works death. 2Co 7:11  For behold this same thing, you being grieved according to God, how much it fully worked earnestness in you, but also defense, but also indignation, but also fear, but also desire, but also zeal, but also vengeance! In everything you commended yourselves to be clear in the matter.

The Old Testament gives us a good look on what repentance is all about as well when God was speaking to the tribe of Ephraim.

Jer 31:18  Hearing I have heard Ephraim moaning over himself, saying, You have chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bull not broken in. Turn me, and I shall be turned; for You are Jehovah my God. Jer 31:19  For after I had turned away, I repented; and after I knew, I slapped on my thigh. I was ashamed; yea, I even blushed, because I bore the reproach of my youth.

See Hopeforfuture, Scripture interpretes Scripture., We can not disconnect the Old Testament from the New Testament.

Note: Please do a search on the bible on the word "repentance" with a good bible software. And then read as much as you can you will be surprised what you will come to understand

The sorrow and grieving you are showing is worldly sorrow not Godly sorrow. This is why you can make comments like “So I guess I would say please give me a little more credit
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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #30 on: Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 09:51:58 »
Eddmon,

Romans 2:17-24...Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and brag about your relationship to God; 18if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth.

21you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself?  You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery?  You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23You who brag about the law, do you dishnor God by breaking the law? 24As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

Jesus said "go and make disciples"...not go and make converts to your opinion.  Stop being superior...the law and knowledge of the law is nothing.  A relationship with our Savior is what counts.  More of HIM less of us...giving up ourself, yielding, abandoning our will for His will.  Forgetting what is behind...unlearning the past...becoming exactly that of a child in the arms of God.

What the law could not do...JESUS DOES; everyday for those who trust in Him. 

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« Reply #31 on: Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 10:30:51 »
Thank you Norton and Thankfulldad. Your encouraging words are uplifting to me. God bless you both.

God tells us to carry one another burdens...so to fullfill the law of Christ.  Anyone putting themself in a superior position can never lift up...they can only place more bondage and weight on those hurting with sin.  To lift up and encourage we are to put ourself under those who need Jesus in their life.

Until man sees that there is no hope, the Cross of Jesus has no meaning to him.  Conviction of sin always brings about a fearful sense of the law, it makes a man hopeless.  We are guilty sinners...and, we can NEVER get right with God, it is impossible.  There is only one way in which we can get right with God, and that is by the Death of Jesus Christ.

Many want to hold onto the law and get right on their own merit...only causing them more heart ache and despair.  We need to get rid of the idea that we can ever be right with God because of our obedience....WHICH OF US COULD EVER OBEY GOD TO ABSOLUTE PERFECTION!!!  Only liars and wolves...

Trust Jesus only...trust no man, no wolf, no sheep...only Jesus. 


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« Reply #32 on: Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 10:54:41 »
He gave us David so we could know that we are not hope-less.


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« Reply #33 on: Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 11:21:37 »
eddmon

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"And repentance is more than just one admitting that they are at fault. You say and talk a lot about grace but I wont even go there with you yet. You need to understand what repentance is all about first.  Look at what the dictionary says about repentance:"

I think you have it just backwards. There can be no true Godly sorrow or repentance without a realization of God's grace.  Rom 2:4:  "Or do you show contempt for the riches of of his kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?"

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Re: Can a True Christian Really Commit Adultery? What Are the Consequences?
« Reply #34 on: Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 11:42:50 »
hopefofrfuture

Thankfulldad seem to preach another gospel. He selected part of scripture and managed to make it independent to what other parts of scripture tell us

YOU WROTE: “Conviction of sin always brings about a fearful sense of the law, it makes a man hopeless.