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« on: Fri May 04, 2018 - 15:22:41 »
Can you please share with me your views on this topic...what scriptures lead you to this understanding of marriage and roles with in it and the church?

I lean towards conservative egalitarianism, I think.

I want to be led by my husband, but I also am not afraid to be a strong leader in my own right.
I willingly and happily submit to his desires, but on the off chance that God calls me to something, while I'd like my husbands support,  I will honor God and what He's put on my heart above all else, even if the hubs is hesitant to support me...and would encourage my husband to do the same. (this has NEVER happened...my dh always readily tells me "go for it, babe" when I speak of what Gods put on my heart...I have his full confidence like the woman of Proverbs 31 and it is a blessing and a half!)

I don't believe a woman should be a head pastor at this point of my walk with God, based on the Word and how I observe the differences in men and women, but I also do not believe that women are only capable of leading the babies and smallest children. I believe we have a voice, a sound mind, are able to reason through the scriptures and have a place in worship services.

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Re: Egalitarians
« Reply #1 on: Fri May 04, 2018 - 19:04:03 »
Can you please share with me your views on this topic...what scriptures lead you to this understanding of marriage and roles with in it and the church?

I'm single, so for me the marriage part is largely theoretical.

I'm an egalitarian/mutualist.  The latter part of that is a newer term, deriving from the fact that in the "domestic code" section of Eph. 5-6, the verb in 5:22 is only implicit, and must carry over the mutual submission of v. 21.

I understand Scripture to teach full equality of the sexes.  In terms of authority and responsibility, all "roles" are equally open to both sexes.

In the home, any particular couple is free to put that into practice in whatever way suits them.  If they prefer the traditional, "man in charge" approach, fine.  If they find the woman more suited for leadership, fine.  If they want to make every decision a matter of mutual agreement, fine.  If they want to have each partner have the final say in certain particular areas, fine.

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I lean towards conservative egalitarianism, I think.

I want to be led by my husband, but I also am not afraid to be a strong leader in my own right.
I willingly and happily submit to his desires, but on the off chance that God calls me to something, while I'd like my husbands support,  I will honor God and what He's put on my heart above all else, even if the hubs is hesitant to support me...and would encourage my husband to do the same. (this has NEVER happened...my dh always readily tells me "go for it, babe" when I speak of what Gods put on my heart...I have his full confidence like the woman of Proverbs 31 and it is a blessing and a half!)

I don't believe a woman should be a head pastor at this point of my walk with God, based on the Word and how I observe the differences in men and women, but I also do not believe that women are only capable of leading the babies and smallest children. I believe we have a voice, a sound mind, are able to reason through the scriptures and have a place in worship services.

That latter part would probably fall into the category of "soft complementarianism."


The short-ish answer about the Scriptural basis for this is that I see Gen. 1-2 presenting man and woman, husband and wife as equal partners, with no hierarchy prior to The Fall.  In Christ, we are New Creations, and the ideal should be that same equal partnership.

Naturally, I see Gal. 3:28 (particularly when viewed alongside Col. 3:11 and 1 Cor. 12:13) as teaching that in Christ, in the Church, class distinctions should not exist.

I see Acts 2 as teaching (and DOUBLY emphasizing) that men and women are completely equal in carrying out the Great Commission.

I see Rom. 16 as teaching that any leadership roles, up to and including apostle, are open to both men and women.

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Re: Egalitarians
« Reply #2 on: Sat May 05, 2018 - 09:23:09 »
I'm single, so for me the marriage part is largely theoretical.

I'm an egalitarian/mutualist.  The latter part of that is a newer term, deriving from the fact that in the "domestic code" section of Eph. 5-6, the verb in 5:22 is only implicit, and must carry over the mutual submission of v. 21.

I understand Scripture to teach full equality of the sexes.  In terms of authority and responsibility, all "roles" are equally open to both sexes.

In the home, any particular couple is free to put that into practice in whatever way suits them.  If they prefer the traditional, "man in charge" approach, fine.  If they find the woman more suited for leadership, fine.  If they want to make every decision a matter of mutual agreement, fine.  If they want to have each partner have the final say in certain particular areas, fine.

That latter part would probably fall into the category of "soft complementarianism."


The short-ish answer about the Scriptural basis for this is that I see Gen. 1-2 presenting man and woman, husband and wife as equal partners, with no hierarchy prior to The Fall.  In Christ, we are New Creations, and the ideal should be that same equal partnership.

Naturally, I see Gal. 3:28 (particularly when viewed alongside Col. 3:11 and 1 Cor. 12:13) as teaching that in Christ, in the Church, class distinctions should not exist.

I see Acts 2 as teaching (and DOUBLY emphasizing) that men and women are completely equal in carrying out the Great Commission.

I see Rom. 16 as teaching that any leadership roles, up to and including apostle, are open to both men and women.

Thank you for sharing your views and how you came to them scripturally!  I have found myself wondering if what I believe is truly from the Word, or if it is just something I had shoved down my throat my whole life.  Never by church, actually...but the family I come from, where boys were clearly just better and they had more freedoms...

I was actually told that things were harder and different for me, because I wasn't a boy.   ::frustrated::

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Re: Egalitarians
« Reply #3 on: Sat May 05, 2018 - 09:40:06 »
Also...I believe that women may sit in positions of elders as well as youth and associate pastor positions.


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Re: Egalitarians
« Reply #4 on: Sat May 05, 2018 - 10:07:15 »
I feel  that in a marriage, going by the Bible, both should have an input and encourage each other to fulfil their God given callings. On the very rare occasions that we haven't agreed on something or didn't know what to do in a situation I have gone with what He said we should do, but that has only happened 2 or 3 times in 13 years.
He is a very encouraging husband and would have no issues with whatever God wanted me to do, including teaching at church. In fact he would be pleased for me. If he strongly objected to what I wanted to do, then I would have to submit ot that, which is why its so important to marry a godly husband who you respect and trust and who thinks the way you do about such things.

I still think that the untimate head of a church or denomintion should be a man, but I have no issues with female leaders or teachers at all. We have a head pastor and 2 assistant pastors. One of them is female and is excellent. I think its imortant for women to heave a female leader they can go to with issues, how can a man ever understand things from a womens point of view? I doubt I would ever go to a male leader with issues and I do know many women who would feel uncomfortable talking to a man about certain things.

I always think of Deborah, the way God chose her to be judge and leader of the whole of Isreal. He clearly has no issues with the right female leaders and I think of the way that He is using our female PM and the way He has used  the Queen and the Queens before her.


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« Reply #5 on: Tue May 08, 2018 - 05:13:36 »
Here is a good overview by Payne.

Most egalitarians would probably quibble slightly with his translation of "authentein" in 1 Tim. 12, favoring "domineer" over "(inappropriately) assume authority."  Elsewhere he has said that "domineer" is probably the second-most likely correct rendering.

Also most would still be pretty hesitant about his approach to 1 Cor. 14:34-35.  But he makes a strong case.