I'm embarrassed to ask this question

[chosenone]

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.  (Hebrews 13:4)

If the bed is undefiled then i think what happens between married couples is between them and God

 So its OK for one to get a whip and beat the other then?(as long as they are both into sadism and masochism of course). 

I REALLY dont think that verse has anything to do with justifying some of the things that some couples may be into.

[son of God]

exactly, chosenone.  And the scriptures, as far as I know, soundly condemn sodomy (anal sex).  Just because both agree on it, doesn't mean that it is OK to do.  basic stuff, that.

[farouk]

Ms dallas:

Well, not everyone...

Also dont be embarrased that you asked.Many people wonder that same thing.

Love

Dallas

[BAH-BLAH]

I was wondering this, the other day, over muesli and Fair Trade coffee.

[yesult]

Great question. I've heard christians justify everything from masturbation to porn as a 'marital aid' to sex toys to remaining faithful to an unfaithful spouse as 'Gods will'. I've also heard perversion attempted to be justified. (Have to wonder when I hear public christian attempts for child molestation.)

(And most of the above from either the pulpit or bible thumping types.) (Or with low moral standards who also exist - (including occasionally the pulplit too.)

Anyway.

Perversion is a perversion of anything 'natural'. God made sex to be enjoyed between a husband and wife. Even non-christian medical studies will show you that anal sex is unhealthy. The digestive track is simply not designed to handle sex. It's designed for waste disposal, nothing else. I was once even shown a documentry at school (public) on the whys. (I'm not sure that it would be allowed anymore with all the widespread attempts at cultural brainwashing regarding homosexuality.)

Oral is still a perversion. So is whipping and tying up your partner or filming, photographing them etc. It's stepping over into lust which is a perversion of healthy sexual love. One builds, the other destroys.

Picture God asking you about it. If you'd be ashamed or embaressed then it isn't right. What isn't right always has consequences.

You're wise to ask. When people don't it can lead to a lot of unhappiness and hurt in the long term and since christians with lower morals can tell you all sorts of things (including the justification of homosexuality as a life choice) and the world tells you that 'exploring your sexuality' includes sin. It can leave people high and dry on some of the issues that arn't directly expounded on in scripture.

For example the bible gives the word 'porniea' as justifcation for divorce, with the word covering a broad range of sexual sin (basically everything from fornication to beastiality.) Perversion is a perversion of something natural.

Hope that helps.


PS. And when a partner (generally a man) starts pressuring for these types of things, it can usually be traced to a porn habit or past sexual sin. It's lust, not love and needs to be nipped in the bud.

[chosenone]

I was wondering this, the other day, over muesli and Fair Trade coffee.

  so what were your conclusions bah-blah?

[farouk]

Ms ch:

So you want to know?

I was wondering this, the other day, over muesli and Fair Trade coffee.

  so what were your conclusions bah-blah?

[chosenone]

Ms ch:

So you want to know?

I was wondering this, the other day, over muesli and Fair Trade coffee.

  so what were your conclusions bah-blah?

 

I was just responding to his amusing post with a less than serious question.

[BAH-BLAH]

I was wondering this, the other day, over muesli and Fair Trade coffee.

  so what were your conclusions bah-blah?

Well the muesli has a bunch of fibre and....

Oh forget it

[farouk]

Ms ch:

Oh.

(Maybe I should bow out of this thread...)

from: chosenone on Today at 06:24:56 AM
Quote from: farouk on Today at 06:13:20 AM
Ms ch:

So you want to know?

Quote from: chosenone on Today at 05:43:13 AM
Quote from: BAH-BLAH on Yesterday at 06:15:19 PM
I was wondering this, the other day, over muesli and Fair Trade coffee.

  so what were your conclusions bah-blah?
 

I was just responding to his amusing post with a less than serious question.

[OkiMar]

Oral sex is perverted?

You guys are hilarious.

[Logismos]

Perversion is a perversion of anything 'natural'.

Even though there is no direct references to anal or oral sex, is there a Biblical reason to believe that these acts are not natural or that they are prohibited? It seems as though your arguments are based on a documentary you saw in school a long time ago and medical information about the risks (there are medical risks for even the most generic of sexual behaviors), as well as generalizations about lust and a greek word called pornia which apparently means everything that you assume to be unnatural (sorry but you're using circular reasoning). I don't intend to actually discuss sexual behavior on a Christian forum but I just want to say that I found your points unconvincing. My wife and I are Christians and have a very loving relationship and have been married for 10 years. Our sex is better now than it was in the first 5 years of our marriage when we didn't know what we were doing. We don't do anal sex but I'll try to be non-descriptive and simply say that over many years we have been gradually and pleasantly surprised at the kinds of new pleasures that can be safely experienced...down in that other direction. And its nothing beyond our simple physical manifestation of love for one another.

Picture God asking you about it. If you'd be ashamed or embaressed then it isn't right.

If God asked me about pooping I would be embarrassed, and certainly that doesn't make pooping wrong.

[dallasapple]

Perversion is a perversion of anything 'natural'.

Even though there is no direct references to anal or oral sex, is there a Biblical reason to believe that these acts are not natural or that they prohibited? It seems as though your arguments are based on a documentary you saw in school a long time ago and medical information about the risks (there are medical risks for even the most generic of sexual behaviors), as well as generalizations about lust and a greek word called pornia which apparently means everything that you assume to be unnatural (sorry but you're using circular reasoning). I don't intend to actually discuss sexual behavior on a Christian forum but I just want to say that I found your points unconvincing. My wife and I are Christians and have a very loving relationship and have been married for 10 years. Our sex is better now than it was in the first 5 years of our marriage when we didn't know what we were doing. We don't do anal sex but I'll try to be non-descriptive and simply say that over many years we have been gradually and pleasantly surprised at the kinds of new pleasures that can be safely experienced...down in that other direction. And its nothing beyond our simple physical manifestation of love for one another.

Picture God asking you about it. If you'd be ashamed or embaressed then it isn't right.

If God asked me about pooping I would be embarrassed, and certainly that doesn't make pooping wrong.

I will say from what I understand many scholars have concluded the Sodom event in the Bible pertained to rape more so than any specific sexual act.

And the definition of sodomy isnt limited to anal sex either.It includes oral as well as beastiality.

I just personally believe its "unhealthy"...And yes of course there are some risk involved in any time we are in close contact with another human beign not even just sexually.Its just with anal there are so many possible complications at a much higher # of occurence to make it unacceptable to me personally for myself.

But if two married people who love each other and enjoy this practice its really none of my business.I know some Christian women who think Im disgusting because I have no problem with oral sex.(personally).She reminded me thats where we go "pee pee" from .

Oh well..

Love

Dallas

[kensington]

I'm embarrassed to ask this question but I am going to go for it.  I am happily married and enjoy a good sex life.  However, I girl friends who engage in anal sex with their spouses/boyfriends.  My hubby and I are both Christians and are committed to each other.  I was wondering if anal sex is a no-no for Christians?  My confusion is this- I know homosexuality is against God's will and some consider it unnatural.  However, if you are performing this act in marriage is this still considered unnatural an ungodly?  I want to be in God's will.

Here is how I look at it...   When speaking to this act in the church or to those in the church, the Word speaks to "those who traded the natural for the unnatural"  And that is enough for me.  There is a natural mode of sex an an unnatural mode.  It's more fulfilling to seek out the ways to make the natural more enjoyable and fun than to trade it for the unnatural.  Or it has been for us...  23+ years.

[yesult]

Even though there is no direct references to anal or oral sex, is there a Biblical reason to believe that these acts are not natural or that they are prohibited?

Perverion is a perverting of anything natural. What part of that point are you disagreeing with?

It seems as though your arguments are based on a documentary you saw in school a long time ago and medical information about the risks (there are medical risks for even the most generic of sexual behaviors),

No, the point I brought up is that the bowl is for the extrection of wastes and scientific (non-christian) studies have shown how damaging sex is to that area. It isn't designed for it. The womb, suprisingly enough, is.

Medical risks for natural sex? Really. Please explain.

as well as generalizations about lust and a greek word called pornia which apparently means everything that you assume to be unnatural (sorry but you're using circular reasoning).

Look it up. The word does mean everything from perverted sex to adultery. Why don't you prove your points with facts instead of just trying to dismiss the bible because it says something you don't like. (Or somebody quoting it.)

I don't intend to actually discuss sexual behavior on a Christian forum

Why not? You're happy to defend perverted sexual practices but find it prudish to discuss sex at all on a 'christian' forum. Not discussing it in a healthy way is how sexual sin gets opportunity to flourish in the first place

but I just want to say that I found your points unconvincing.

And I find your counter arguments unsubstaniated or able.

 

My wife and I are Christians and have a very loving relationship and have been married for 10 years. Our sex is better now than it was in the first 5 years of our marriage when we didn't know what we were doing. We don't do anal sex but I'll try to be non-descriptive and simply say that over many years we have been gradually and pleasantly surprised at the kinds of new pleasures that can be safely experienced...down in that other direction. And its nothing beyond our simple physical manifestation of love for one another.

Bingo. You like oral and who knows what else and are trying to defend it without bringing up any valid actual points as to why what I've stated is wrong.

You simply like it and want to do it.

If God asked me about pooping I would be embarrassed, and certainly that doesn't make pooping wrong.

Then you have a pretty strange idea of God in my opinion.