is pornography grounds for divorce

[lightshineon]

"Ok I agree but thoes scriptures dont say where the wife has the right to deny her husband or the husband deny the wife."

But where does it say that they have to do every form of sex act that the man says.  I suspect that if it were a woman angry that her husband wasn't doing this, then it would be okay for him to say no.

 Well, if my husband was looking at the naked women, I think in the spirit of the law, he has already gotten his needs met. I guess a woman could lay there a man could , essentially rape his wife, or she could lay there hating him on top of her, while he has fantasy's about the chicks on the net, thus, making him commit adultery in his mind. He could earn the privilege of becoming one again with his wife. God understands.

[777]

We know what the Bible says about sin.
We also know the reality of our culture on earth, good and bad.

Yes, porno is sin.  Jesus said if you look at another with lust, you have commited adultery with her in your heart.  If that is grounds for divorce......97% of christians would be divorced.  I think it is sin that needs to be squashed.

The reality of a woman divorcing her husband for looking at porn is arguable but not realistic.....even with Christians.  Hate to say it......but we all know the sick world we live in.  There are ALWAYS underlying reasons why people get divorced.  Sometimes, I think we as Christians want to pretend we live in this sheltered world......but we don't....its the same sick society we all live in.  Where same sex marriages are ok & women are almost naked in commercials, drug use is an every day occurence, & celebrities are in rehab and are glorified because of it.  We as Christians are in this world.........not of it.

[chosenone]

We know what the Bible says about sin.
We also know the reality of our culture on earth, good and bad.

Yes, porno is sin.  Jesus said if you look at another with lust, you have commited adultery with her in your heart.  If that is grounds for divorce......97% of christians would be divorced.  I think it is sin that needs to be squashed.

The reality of a woman divorcing her husband for looking at porn is arguable but not realistic.....even with Christians.  Hate to say it......but we all know the sick world we live in.  There are ALWAYS underlying reasons why people get divorced.  Sometimes, I think we as Christians want to pretend we live in this sheltered world......but we don't....its the same sick society we all live in.  Where same sex marriages are ok & women are almost naked in commercials, drug use is an every day occurence, & celebrities are in rehab and are glorified because of it.  We as Christians are in this world.........not of it.

 I'm sorry but you cannot say that 97% of Christian guys look at porn. That is just simply not true. My husband never looks at porn and nor did my first husband and neither does my adult son. I have many Christian female friends and none of their husband do either.The only case that I know of personally was a Christian lady whose non Christian husband was looking at porn and they are now divorced.

That is a very sweeping atatement. Even if it were true it is still sexual immorality and long term and unrepentant use of porn would give grounds for divorce in my opinion.Just becuase it is getting more common doesnt make it acceptable. After all adultery is quite common now but that doesnt mean that it isnt still grounds for divorce.

[Mac]

I'm sorry but you cannot say that 97% of Christian guys look at porn. That is just simply not true. My husband never looks at porn and nor did my first husband and neither does my adult son. I have many Christian female friends and none of their husband do either.The only case that I know of personally was a Christian lady whose non Christian husband was looking at porn and they are now divorced.

Please don't take this as a knock on you, but I work with men that view porn daily and their wife and family would walk through fire to say, "My husband would never look at porn". They believe what they are being told, and what they are being told is a lie.

Just because a guy doesn't look at it on the home computer, that doesn't mean he can't see it else where. (Internet cafes, work, library, etc...)

As sad as it is, some men would rather lie to their spouse than disappoint their spouse. For most men, definitely Christian men, porn is a no no. Looked down on.

I am not saying that all men look at porn. I don't. But I would never say I haven't either.

[chosenone]

I'm sorry but you cannot say that 97% of Christian guys look at porn. That is just simply not true. My husband never looks at porn and nor did my first husband and neither does my adult son. I have many Christian female friends and none of their husband do either.The only case that I know of personally was a Christian lady whose non Christian husband was looking at porn and they are now divorced.

Please don't take this as a knock on you, but I work with men that view porn daily and their wife and family would walk through fire to say, "My husband would never look at porn". They believe what they are being told, and what they are being told is a lie.

Just because a guy doesn't look at it on the home computer, that doesn't mean he can't see it else where. (Internet cafes, work, library, etc...)

As sad as it is, some men would rather lie to their spouse than disappoint their spouse. For most men, definitely Christian men, porn is a no no. Looked down on.

I am not saying that all men look at porn. I don't. But I would never say I haven't either.

  If men look at porn in secret and their wives have no idea then they are also deceiving and lying as well as looking at porn.
yes I am sure that many non christian guys do it, to the world it is quite normal, after all, 'everyone does it' they will say. Also I know that there are many Christian men who do   also,However the women I know have husbands who don't do it.

. My hubby works at home and hates porn. he of course has the same struggles as any man but he is very strict about even seeing scantily clad women on the television and refuses to see any film with sex or partially clad women in it. he is very godly man. My ex also worked in a place where it wouldn't have been possible to do that at work and certainly never did it at home.
Christian guys are obviously a target for Satan in this area but to imply that 97% look at porn (and I am talking about regular use of porn)doesn't stand up to studies that have been done.

if any man who I was married to do regularly did it and wasn't prepared to even consider stopping or admit that is was wrong, then I would see it was a reason to divorce, for sexual immorality.Others don't agree, but as we have heard here from others, it destroys lives and marriages. If the person doing it wants to destroy their lives that's is their business but why let it destroy their spouses and children's as well?.

[chosenone]

We know what the Bible says about sin.
We also know the reality of our culture on earth, good and bad.

Yes, porno is sin.  Jesus said if you look at another with lust, you have committed adultery with her in your heart.  If that is grounds for divorce......97% of Christians would be divorced.  I think it is sin that needs to be squashed.

The reality of a woman divorcing her husband for looking at porn is arguable but not realistic.....even with Christians.  Hate to say it......but we all know the sick world we live in.  There are ALWAYS underlying reasons why people get divorced.  Sometimes, I think we as Christians want to pretend we live in this sheltered world......but we don't....its the same sick society we all live in.  Where same sex marriages are OK & women are almost naked in commercials, drug use is an every day occurrence, & celebrities are in rehab and are glorified because of it.  We as Christians are in this world.........not of it.

  Totally agree and it is hard to be different from those around us but we are called to do that It is hard when all the guys at work are looking at a naked woman to say "No thanks I don't want to see that"
 This is why for example we hardly watch any television and hardly ever go and see films because there is so little that hasn't got sex scenes, bad violence loads of swearing etc, but we don't have to see them as everyone else is. We don't have to do the things that the world does.
 Yes many people are unfaithful to their spouses and I have several couples in my family where the marriage has broken up because of this but we are called to be different. Gods standards are totally different from the worlds, and if we act just like everyone else how are we to be a light to those around us? We are supposed to be The body of Christ and I hardly think that Christ would look at porn.    The worse the world gets with its low moral standards the more we are to stand out for our own godly moral standards, and how can we do that if we are hooked on porn? That would be totally hypocritical. 

[Bocephus]

We know what the Bible says about sin.
We also know the reality of our culture on earth, good and bad.

Yes, porno is sin.  Jesus said if you look at another with lust, you have commited adultery with her in your heart.  If that is grounds for divorce......97% of christians would be divorced.  I think it is sin that needs to be squashed.

The reality of a woman divorcing her husband for looking at porn is arguable but not realistic.....even with Christians.  Hate to say it......but we all know the sick world we live in.  There are ALWAYS underlying reasons why people get divorced.  Sometimes, I think we as Christians want to pretend we live in this sheltered world......but we don't....its the same sick society we all live in.  Where same sex marriages are ok & women are almost naked in commercials, drug use is an every day occurence, & celebrities are in rehab and are glorified because of it.  We as Christians are in this world.........not of it.

 I'm sorry but you cannot say that 97% of Christian guys look at porn. That is just simply not true. My husband never looks at porn and nor did my first husband and neither does my adult son. I have many Christian female friends and none of their husband do either.The only case that I know of personally was a Christian lady whose non Christian husband was looking at porn and they are now divorced.

That is a very sweeping atatement. Even if it were true it is still sexual immorality and long term and unrepentant use of porn would give grounds for divorce in my opinion.Just becuase it is getting more common doesnt make it acceptable. After all adultery is quite common now but that doesnt mean that it isnt still grounds for divorce.

Read what I bolded, I believe you inferred something that was not written.  What 777 posted is true.  You don't need look at porn to lust.  If lust was grounds for divorce, the vast majority of men and women would have grounds for divorce.

[Bocephus]

We know what the Bible says about sin.
We also know the reality of our culture on earth, good and bad.

Yes, porno is sin.  Jesus said if you look at another with lust, you have commited adultery with her in your heart.  If that is grounds for divorce......97% of christians would be divorced.  I think it is sin that needs to be squashed.

The reality of a woman divorcing her husband for looking at porn is arguable but not realistic.....even with Christians.  Hate to say it......but we all know the sick world we live in.  There are ALWAYS underlying reasons why people get divorced.  Sometimes, I think we as Christians want to pretend we live in this sheltered world......but we don't....its the same sick society we all live in.  Where same sex marriages are ok & women are almost naked in commercials, drug use is an every day occurence, & celebrities are in rehab and are glorified because of it.  We as Christians are in this world.........not of it.

 I'm sorry but you cannot say that 97% of Christian guys look at porn. That is just simply not true. My husband never looks at porn and nor did my first husband and neither does my adult son. I have many Christian female friends and none of their husband do either.The only case that I know of personally was a Christian lady whose non Christian husband was looking at porn and they are now divorced.

That is a very sweeping atatement. Even if it were true it is still sexual immorality and long term and unrepentant use of porn would give grounds for divorce in my opinion.Just becuase it is getting more common doesnt make it acceptable. After all adultery is quite common now but that doesnt mean that it isnt still grounds for divorce.

So, should we take your opinion or God's Word?

[chosenone]

We know what the Bible says about sin.
We also know the reality of our culture on earth, good and bad.

Yes, porno is sin.  Jesus said if you look at another with lust, you have commited adultery with her in your heart.  If that is grounds for divorce......97% of christians would be divorced.  I think it is sin that needs to be squashed.

The reality of a woman divorcing her husband for looking at porn is arguable but not realistic.....even with Christians.  Hate to say it......but we all know the sick world we live in.  There are ALWAYS underlying reasons why people get divorced.  Sometimes, I think we as Christians want to pretend we live in this sheltered world......but we don't....its the same sick society we all live in.  Where same sex marriages are ok & women are almost naked in commercials, drug use is an every day occurence, & celebrities are in rehab and are glorified because of it.  We as Christians are in this world.........not of it.

 I'm sorry but you cannot say that 97% of Christian guys look at porn. That is just simply not true. My husband never looks at porn and nor did my first husband and neither does my adult son. I have many Christian female friends and none of their husband do either.The only case that I know of personally was a Christian lady whose non Christian husband was looking at porn and they are now divorced.

That is a very sweeping atatement. Even if it were true it is still sexual immorality and long term and unrepentant use of porn would give grounds for divorce in my opinion.Just becuase it is getting more common doesnt make it acceptable. After all adultery is quite common now but that doesnt mean that it isnt still grounds for divorce.

So, should we take your opinion or God's Word?

 

It depends on whether you consider looking at porn as sexual immorality or not. Jesus used the word 'pornea' as the reason he gives for allowance for divorce. That word means many different types of sexually immorality and certainly not just adultery itself.

To me, if someone is repeatedly looking at porn, probably masturbating while he is actually looking at it,probably imagining that he is having sex with these women while he is having sex with his wife, then that is sexually immorality.

If you dont think it is, then what is it?

 Also the person looking at porn is not doing what God commanded to forsake all others and to be faithful to their spouse and to treat them with love and respect. He is breaking the marriage vows everytime he looks.

[Bocephus]

We know what the Bible says about sin.
We also know the reality of our culture on earth, good and bad.

Yes, porno is sin.  Jesus said if you look at another with lust, you have commited adultery with her in your heart.  If that is grounds for divorce......97% of christians would be divorced.  I think it is sin that needs to be squashed.

The reality of a woman divorcing her husband for looking at porn is arguable but not realistic.....even with Christians.  Hate to say it......but we all know the sick world we live in.  There are ALWAYS underlying reasons why people get divorced.  Sometimes, I think we as Christians want to pretend we live in this sheltered world......but we don't....its the same sick society we all live in.  Where same sex marriages are ok & women are almost naked in commercials, drug use is an every day occurence, & celebrities are in rehab and are glorified because of it.  We as Christians are in this world.........not of it.

 I'm sorry but you cannot say that 97% of Christian guys look at porn. That is just simply not true. My husband never looks at porn and nor did my first husband and neither does my adult son. I have many Christian female friends and none of their husband do either.The only case that I know of personally was a Christian lady whose non Christian husband was looking at porn and they are now divorced.

That is a very sweeping atatement. Even if it were true it is still sexual immorality and long term and unrepentant use of porn would give grounds for divorce in my opinion.Just becuase it is getting more common doesnt make it acceptable. After all adultery is quite common now but that doesnt mean that it isnt still grounds for divorce.

So, should we take your opinion or God's Word?

 

It depends on whether you consider looking at porn as sexual immorality or not. Jesus used the word 'pornea' as the reason he gives for allowance for divorce. That word means many different types of sexually immorality and certainly not just adultery itself.

To me, if someone is repeatedly looking at porn, probably masturbating while he is actually looking at it,probably imagining that he is having sex with these women while he is having sex with his wife, then that is sexually immorality.

If you dont think it is, then what is it?

Porn is lust.  Looking at a woman too long on the street is lust.  If "adultery in the heart" is grounds for divorce, almost every couple has grounds for divorce.

Lust is not physical adultery.  Is it sinful?  Yes.  Grounds for divorce?  I don't believe so.  If it is, virtually every woman on this planet has grounds for divorce unless their husbands are blind.

[chosenone]

We know what the Bible says about sin.
We also know the reality of our culture on earth, good and bad.

Yes, porno is sin.  Jesus said if you look at another with lust, you have commited adultery with her in your heart.  If that is grounds for divorce......97% of christians would be divorced.  I think it is sin that needs to be squashed.

The reality of a woman divorcing her husband for looking at porn is arguable but not realistic.....even with Christians.  Hate to say it......but we all know the sick world we live in.  There are ALWAYS underlying reasons why people get divorced.  Sometimes, I think we as Christians want to pretend we live in this sheltered world......but we don't....its the same sick society we all live in.  Where same sex marriages are ok & women are almost naked in commercials, drug use is an every day occurence, & celebrities are in rehab and are glorified because of it.  We as Christians are in this world.........not of it.

 I'm sorry but you cannot say that 97% of Christian guys look at porn. That is just simply not true. My husband never looks at porn and nor did my first husband and neither does my adult son. I have many Christian female friends and none of their husband do either.The only case that I know of personally was a Christian lady whose non Christian husband was looking at porn and they are now divorced.

That is a very sweeping atatement. Even if it were true it is still sexual immorality and long term and unrepentant use of porn would give grounds for divorce in my opinion.Just becuase it is getting more common doesnt make it acceptable. After all adultery is quite common now but that doesnt mean that it isnt still grounds for divorce.

So, should we take your opinion or God's Word?

 

It depends on whether you consider looking at porn as sexual immorality or not. Jesus used the word 'pornea' as the reason he gives for allowance for divorce. That word means many different types of sexually immorality and certainly not just adultery itself.

To me, if someone is repeatedly looking at porn, probably masturbating while he is actually looking at it,probably imagining that he is having sex with these women while he is having sex with his wife, then that is sexually immorality.

If you dont think it is, then what is it?

Porn is lust.  Looking at a woman too long on the street is lust.  If "adultery in the heart" is grounds for divorce, almost every couple has grounds for divorce.

Lust is not physical adultery.  Is it sinful?  Yes.  Grounds for divorce?  I don't believe so.  If it is, virtually every woman on this planet has grounds for divorce unless their husbands are blind.

 

 To me that long term use of porn that is totally unrepentant and deliberate and that the person wont even attempt to stop is a totally different thing from looking at a lady for a few seconds too long.(although some men are also very careful about not doing that)
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Porn usage to me is being unfaithful even if there is no actual physical contact.

It doesnt really matter to me whether anyone agree or not,it is only my opinion.  We have seen from posts that it can and does destroy wives and marriages. That is why Satan loves to get people hooked on to it becuase it is so destructive. 
Porn use is sexually immoral, and The Holy spirit withdraws when a person does it. I have heard people tell me that from expereince.

[fanuvmxpx]

Lust is not physical adultery.  Is it sinful?  Yes.  Grounds for divorce?  I don't believe so.  If it is, virtually every woman on this planet has grounds for divorce unless their husbands are blind.

I receive porn in my email a few times a week. Most of the time I can identify it and delete it...but sometimes its masked very well and I can't tell if it is a business email or something I ordered online. My wife has already caught me "looking at porn"...when I opened one of these emails.

Regarding lust though...if it is grounds for divorce than I should probably pack. Because I have lusted since I married. I have never, and will never, act on lust...but unfortunately, living in Southern California...many of the women here do not have morals regarding covering their bodies.

[Mac]

living in Southern California...many of the women here do not have morals regarding covering their bodies.

You are not alone. I think this is the norm in most places today. Young women and even older mothers wear clothing they just shouldn't. I live on the gulf coast, so summer time you get an eye full.

I have 3 teen boys and a "tween" daughter who will be 13 in Sept. The bathing suits the girls wear are awful. Skirts so short they can't bend over and pick anything up or they will show the world their nether regions. It is a trying time for young men today. But it is the godless world we live in.

I often hear ladies say things like, "Would you look at how that girl (14-18 yr.) is dressed. She looks like a tramp. Do her parents even care?" But if you look at the 35-40 yr old woman who just said that, she looks like a street walker. Skin tight blue jeans or slacks, thong underware hanging out of her clothes and no bra or VERY low cut shirts on. Showing too much of their chest... Way too much...And they wonder why their daughters dress that way?

It is a rough world out there. Very sexual in nature. Young men and women have a tough road to hoe...

I edited the edit. Sorry.

[FoC]

The problem with lust = 'adultery' (of the heart) being punishable by divorce is that if we are going to punish sins of the heart then this has to carry over to a similar precept from scripture.

(1Jn 3:15 KJV)  Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer:

*IF* lust of the heart being 'adultery' is grounds for taking appropriate action, then this man who hates his brother should, to be logically consistent, be tried for murder in a court of law.

I dont think that is the point in scripture with this sins of the heart where no physical sin takes place. The point isnt to give grounds for divorce or punishment on mans part, its to expose the sins of the heart to the person who lusts or hates his brother.

[Bocephus]

We know what the Bible says about sin.
We also know the reality of our culture on earth, good and bad.

Yes, porno is sin.  Jesus said if you look at another with lust, you have commited adultery with her in your heart.  If that is grounds for divorce......97% of christians would be divorced.  I think it is sin that needs to be squashed.

The reality of a woman divorcing her husband for looking at porn is arguable but not realistic.....even with Christians.  Hate to say it......but we all know the sick world we live in.  There are ALWAYS underlying reasons why people get divorced.  Sometimes, I think we as Christians want to pretend we live in this sheltered world......but we don't....its the same sick society we all live in.  Where same sex marriages are ok & women are almost naked in commercials, drug use is an every day occurence, & celebrities are in rehab and are glorified because of it.  We as Christians are in this world.........not of it.

 I'm sorry but you cannot say that 97% of Christian guys look at porn. That is just simply not true. My husband never looks at porn and nor did my first husband and neither does my adult son. I have many Christian female friends and none of their husband do either.The only case that I know of personally was a Christian lady whose non Christian husband was looking at porn and they are now divorced.

That is a very sweeping atatement. Even if it were true it is still sexual immorality and long term and unrepentant use of porn would give grounds for divorce in my opinion.Just becuase it is getting more common doesnt make it acceptable. After all adultery is quite common now but that doesnt mean that it isnt still grounds for divorce.

So, should we take your opinion or God's Word?

 

It depends on whether you consider looking at porn as sexual immorality or not. Jesus used the word 'pornea' as the reason he gives for allowance for divorce. That word means many different types of sexually immorality and certainly not just adultery itself.

To me, if someone is repeatedly looking at porn, probably masturbating while he is actually looking at it,probably imagining that he is having sex with these women while he is having sex with his wife, then that is sexually immorality.

If you dont think it is, then what is it?

Porn is lust.  Looking at a woman too long on the street is lust.  If "adultery in the heart" is grounds for divorce, almost every couple has grounds for divorce.

Lust is not physical adultery.  Is it sinful?  Yes.  Grounds for divorce?  I don't believe so.  If it is, virtually every woman on this planet has grounds for divorce unless their husbands are blind.

 

 To me that long term use of porn that is totally unrepentant and deliberate and that the person wont even attempt to stop is a totally different thing from looking at a lady for a few seconds too long.(although some men are also very careful about not doing that)
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Porn usage to me is being unfaithful even if there is no actual physical contact.

It doesnt really matter to me whether anyone agree or not,it is only my opinion.  We have seen from posts that it can and does destroy wives and marriages. That is why Satan loves to get people hooked on to it becuase it is so destructive. 
Porn use is sexually immoral, and The Holy spirit withdraws when a person does it. I have heard people tell me that from expereince.

But any scripture to back up "your experience?"