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Let Each Woman Have Her Own Husband
« on: Wed Dec 03, 2008 - 15:58:04 »
Since it appears that Charles Sloan and I will be discussing this matter, here is a
brief article that sheds plenty of light
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« Reply #1 on: Wed Dec 03, 2008 - 16:01:33 »
Are you promoting polygamy?

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« Reply #2 on: Wed Dec 03, 2008 - 16:03:32 »
no, polygamy is where a woman could have more than one husband.  That would be wrong.  What I'm
promoting is polygyny. 

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Re: Let Each Woman Have Her Own Husband
« Reply #3 on: Wed Dec 03, 2008 - 16:07:19 »
no, polygamy is where a woman could have more than one husband.  That would be wrong.  What I'm
promoting is polygyny. 

Thank you for clearing that up, but in't that what the Mormons practice?

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Yes.  But I'm not Mormon. 
And just because Mormon's practice something does not make it necessarily wrong. 
I'm completely against Mormonism as it a false religion that adds to the bible with the uninspired writings of a false prophet. 


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Re: Let Each Woman Have Her Own Husband
« Reply #5 on: Wed Dec 03, 2008 - 16:18:52 »
Since it appears that Charles Sloan and I will be discussing this matter, here is a
brief article that sheds plenty of light
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Biblically, there is nothing I have found to suggest this as wrong. Americanly, I can't afford the Alimony payments.

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« Reply #6 on: Wed Dec 03, 2008 - 16:42:58 »
Yes.  But I'm not Mormon. 
And just because Mormon's practice something does not make it necessarily wrong. 
I'm completely against Mormonism as it a false religion that adds to the bible with the uninspired writings of a false prophet. 

Okay, I'm glad your not a Mormon but their practices are in error including their polygyny. For example when Jesus was questioned in Mark 10:6-9 about marriage and divorce pointed back to the beginning of creation for God's model of marriage. "And they twain shall be one flesh" So God made Adam one wife, not many.

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« Reply #7 on: Wed Dec 03, 2008 - 20:13:47 »
Also Paul says that each man should have his own wife (it does not say wives but wife.)
I have heard this argument before from a guy who runs a website that dares to call itself Christian marriage. it is totally against the teachings of Jesus, of Paul and of Gods original intention for one man and one woman. If God thought that a man needed more than one wife than maybe he would have made him two or three or four....but no, he made him one wife and they joined and became one flesh as said already.You cannot have a one flesh relationship with 3 or 4.

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« Reply #8 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 08:35:26 »
I would love to have two or three wives.   And at least ten kids. 

The passages that anti-polygynists throw up have been abused and twisted
to make it look like God is against man having more than one wife. 

But Eve was formed from a rib.  And a body can have many ribs but a rib can have only one body. 

God said He was married to two women.  God gave David plenty of wives.  God said that David was a-okay in His sight. 
Most if not all of the men in Israel had more than one wife.  The census proves it. 

God even commanded some men that if their brother's died and left no children then they were to marry their dead brother's wife.  And it didn't matter if they were already married.  They were still to take on another wife.

God made men to want lots of women.  It is natural. 

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« Reply #9 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 08:44:54 »
I would love to have two or three wives.   And at least ten kids. 

The passages that anti-polygynists throw up have been abused and twisted
to make it look like God is against man having more than one wife. 

But Eve was formed from a rib.  And a body can have many ribs but a rib can have only one body. 

God said He was married to two women.  God gave David plenty of wives.  God said that David was a-okay in His sight. 
Most if not all of the men in Israel had more than one wife.  The census proves it. 

God even commanded some men that if their brother's died and left no children then they were to marry their dead brother's wife.  And it didn't matter if they were already married.  They were still to take on another wife.

God made men to want lots of women.  It is natural. 


I have heard it al before. men who want to have more than one woman pick out all the verses that support their case while ignoring the words of Paul, Jesus and others who say that each man is to have his own WIFE. I find it quite funny actually.
Also God didnt make men to want more than one woman. The men that I know are quiet happy with their own wife thank you very much (including my husband)
I am sure that if God wanted men to have 2 or 3 wives he would make it that there were many more women born that men. As it is there are about 50/50, so what happens to the millions of men who cant have a wife becuase those like you have 2 or 3.?

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« Reply #10 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 09:02:34 »
I would love to have two or three wives.


Because of this I believe you will go to any length to justify polygamy.

The passages that anti-polygynists throw up have been abused and twisted
to make it look like God is against man having more than one wife. 


No one twisted or abused any passages here, they were just mentioned. And according to the Pastoral epistles (1Ti 3:2, 1Ti 3:12, Tts 1:6) its obvious that God does want some men to practice monogamist relationships and not polygamist.

So God is against some men having more than one wife.

But Eve was formed from a rib.  And a body can have many ribs but a rib can have only one body.


Talk about twisting Scripture, God made Adam one wife and her name was Eve. That was the perfect plan for man from the beginning of creation before the fall. There is nothing you can bring to this discussion that will changed that fact.

God said He was married to two women.


If you are talking about Adam I would like to see the book, chapter and verse.

God gave David plenty of wives.  God said that David was a-okay in His sight. 
Most if not all of the men in Israel had more than one wife.  The census proves it. 


Didn't Jesus say that for the hardness of their hearts Moses permitted them to put away their wives, but from the beginning it was not so? If in the beginning God created man with one wife why would you look to the actions of a disobedient, stiff necked people to justify polygamy?

God even commanded some men that if their brother's died and left no children then they were to marry their dead brother's wife.  And it didn't matter if they were already married.  They were still to take on another wife.


Not all the commands given to Israel can just randomly be applied to Gentiles.

God made men to want lots of women.  It is natural. 


What seems natural to a man is not always of God. (Pro 14:12, 1Cr 2:14)

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« Reply #11 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 09:22:40 »
More than one mother-in-law? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Memphis, I just showed a major flaw.

Concubines are biblical.  Why not concubines?

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« Reply #12 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 09:27:03 »
Charles,
God would not tempt man by portraying Himself as having two wives.  Neither would he give David several wives then tell him he did good.

When Christ was speaking on divorce, His point about becoming one flesh had nothing to do with how many wives a man could have but rather the permanence of each connection he has with each wife.   

Christ was speaking against divorce.  Not against having more than one woman. 

The desire for marriage is natural and the norm.  Celibacy is the exception. 

God made man to have a libido that is on 24 hours of the day, 7 days a week.  He also made men to able reproduce even at an old age.  Women were not made to have libidos that were on 24/7 and cannot reproduce at an old age. 

If you say having more than one wife is sin, then you foolishly charge God. 

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« Reply #13 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 09:28:20 »
Gary,
I would love a couple of concubines.  Good suggestion. 

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« Reply #14 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 09:31:28 »
Gary, you still get in-laws with concubines.  See Judges ch. 19.

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« Reply #15 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 09:41:50 »
yeh I like the weird interpretation about the ribs also charles, and the fact that Adam had 2 wives?never has been mentioned in any Bible I have ever seen. I find it quiet incredible that some will so distort the bible as to make anything ok even if it isnt allowed by God for us.
memphis are you married? and if you are does your wife know that you dont find her enough for you?

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« Reply #16 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 10:19:11 »
Charles,
God would not tempt man by portraying Himself as having two wives.  Neither would he give David several wives then tell him he did good.

David is not the example, Christ is.

When Christ was speaking on divorce, His point about becoming one flesh had nothing to do with how many wives a man could have but rather the permanence of each connection he has with each wife.   

When Christ was addressing divorce he expounded on marriage, and in doing so he pointed back to the garden of Eden and the beginning of creation to show God's intentions for man. And God intended Adam to have one wife, Eve.

But again let me ask you to provide me with the passages where we can see that Adam had more than one wife. I and many others would be very interested in this revelation, since I have read my Bible many times an I can't seem to recall anything like that.

Maybe I just overlooked it, but please help me out here.

Christ was speaking against divorce.  Not against having more than one woman. 

Christ expounded on marriage in doing so rebuked polygamy.

The desire for marriage is natural and the norm.  Celibacy is the exception. 

I agree with this, but sinful desires can also seem natural and the normal for men too.

God made man to have a libido that is on 24 hours of the day, 7 days a week.  He also made men to able reproduce even at an old age.  Women were not made to have libidos that were on 24/7 and cannot reproduce at an old age. 

That was little to do with this argument.

If you say having more than one wife is sin, then you foolishly charge God. 

Whatever is not of faith is sin.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 10:40:10 »
If you ask me, no matter how you slice it up or what reasons you come up with for wanting to do what you want to do without consequence- the Bible tells us that we are to respect our rulers and follow the law which reveals what is sin to us.  The law in America is that men are to have only one wife and women one husband, therefore regardless of who's example you want to use to justify polygamy it is illegal for we who are in America to practice it and therefore it is sin for us to do so.  Other cultures have different laws- David was not American!

FYI:  justify what you want to but in this society adultery is adultery and bigamy is bigamy!
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« Reply #18 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 11:08:39 »
If you ask me, no matter how you slice it up or what reasons you come up with for wanting to do what you want to do without consequence- the Bible tells us that we are to respect our rulers and follow the law which reveals what is sin to us.  The law in America is that men are to have only one wife and women one husband, therefore regardless of who's example you want to use to justify polygamy it is illegal for we who are in America to practice it and therefore it is sin for us to do so.  Other cultures have different laws- David was not American!

FYI:  justify what you want to but in this society adultery is adultery and bigamy is bigamy!

well said crystals mama
I heard a man form a 'Christian' sect who advocated several wives and he said that to enable them to have more than one wife and stay within the law that they should divorce each wife before marrying the next one. ::frown:: He is therefore committing adultery becuase he is sitll having sex with his divorced wives while also sleeping with his new and usually very young new one.quite amazing isnt it how a mans desires can make him do such rediculous things. Does he somehow think that God would be pleased with him for divorcing his previous wives for absulutely no Biblical reason? HARDLY
His justification was that some men in their 50's and even their 60's needed more than one woman to satisfy them sexually, What arrogance. Havent they heard of being faithful and loving and having self control.? Of course the women arent allowed to have another husband even if their husband isnt satisfying them. sexually.

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« Reply #19 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 11:10:17 »
memphis dwight
the only thing I agree with you on is that we are designed to want to be married and that is good, but NOT to more than one wife.How much more crystal clear can the Bible be?

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« Reply #20 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 11:11:04 »
Interesting, David was a "man after God's own heart".
He was also a murderer.
So is murder okay too then?

I work with an Egyptian woman.  
Her brother has two wives.  
From my understanding, in Egypt, each wife is given her own house... It gets to be quite expensive.

It's true that the OT is full of examples of men with more than one wife.  I don't that was God's original intent.

It wasn't His original intent for Israel to have a king either.

And just because it is "man's nature" to want to sleep around, doesn't mean it's okay.

"The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked."  Jeremiah 17:9  

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« Reply #21 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 11:12:18 »
Great post Janet.

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« Reply #22 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 11:34:20 »
I say, start at the beginning, God made Adam. Later on He made Eve as it wasn't good for Adam to be alone. One man, one woman, end of discussion. That's how God created it and that's His intent, istm.

God made man to have a libido that is on 24 hours of the day, 7 days a week.  He also made men to able reproduce even at an old age.  Women were not made to have libidos that were on 24/7 and cannot reproduce at an old age. 

If you say having more than one wife is sin, then you foolishly charge God. 

I suppose you are just going on what you read, but surely this isn't the case. I know many women who have more of a sex drive than their husbands. So then, should they get another husband as well to fulfill these desires? If you want 10 kids, then marry someone who also wants a large family and go ahead. I'm from a family of 7, and there are many large large families in our heritage.



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« Reply #23 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 15:35:00 »
I’m just a simple Christian man.  I look at the clearest statements of God. 

From the NLT, Ezekiel 23:4
God speaking here:
The older girl was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. I married them, and they bore me sons and daughters.

God speaking here to David:
2 Sam 12:8
I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if [that had been] too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

God speaking about David:
1 Kings 15: 5 Because David did [that which was] right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any [thing] that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.

Speaking of Israel and Judah:
I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jeremiah 31:32

2 Chronicles 24: 2-3
And Joash did [that which was] right in the sight of the LORD all the days of Jehoiada the priest.
And Jehoiada took for him two wives; and he begat sons and daughters.

I can't apologize for wanting to be a righteous man like the great patriarchs of the bible. 





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« Reply #24 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 15:37:20 »
Nor can I apologize for wanting to be a righteous woman of God.

The clearest statements of God istm are the ones right in the beginning, before the fall.

One man, one woman, He created them.



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« Reply #25 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 15:41:45 »
We're not living in Eden any longer.  There aren't just two people on the planet.  And we still have to be fruitful and multiply per the command of God in Genesis. 
And I don't charge God with sin because He had more than one wife. 
And if I want four or five wives, you know what? that is my God given right.

God also told wives to be obedient to their husbands.  Do you follow that command? 

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« Reply #26 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 16:27:11 »
I’m just a simple Christian man.  I look at the clearest statements of God. 

Honestly, I believe you are just trying to justify polygamy.

From the NLT, Ezekiel 23:4
God speaking here:
The older girl was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. I married them, and they bore me sons and daughters.

Isn't the LORD talking about Samaria and Jerusalem?

God speaking here to David:
2 Sam 12:8
I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if [that had been] too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

Indeed, God allowed for polygamy in the Old Testament.

God speaking about David:
1 Kings 15: 5 Because David did [that which was] right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any [thing] that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.

Obviously polygamy wasn't the issue with David, now Solomon is another story...

Speaking of Israel and Judah:
I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jeremiah 31:32

Again, God isn't talking about real women.

2 Chronicles 24: 2-3
And Joash did [that which was] right in the sight of the LORD all the days of Jehoiada the priest.
And Jehoiada took for him two wives; and he begat sons and daughters.

You will find polygamy in the Old Testament, that isn't the contention.

I can't apologize for wanting to be a righteous man like the great patriarchs of the bible.

Dwight, just to remind you we are under another covenant. I know you will continue to point to the Old Testament to support your beliefs in polygamy, but you need to reconcile verses like 1Ti 3:2, 1Ti 3:12, Tts 1:6 with your belief that God wants men to have multiple wives and that is his design and intention is for polygamy.

I will continue to point to creation as God's intention, and events after the fall as evidence of man depravity and need for redemption and restoration. Jesus came to make all things new. So seek become like Jesus, don't live in the shadows of his coming.

By the way, I'm still waiting for the reference to Adam's second wife.

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« Reply #27 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 16:32:06 »
Memphis Dwight!  Thank you for posting this!  Finally someone else sees it too.

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« Reply #29 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 16:58:08 »
Any ladies out there want to be my second wife?   You will have to get past the current Mrs. first though (Might want to visit the thread on gun possesion!  She ain't big on sharing me.)

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When Christ was addressing divorce he expounded on marriage, and in doing so he pointed back to the garden of Eden and the beginning of creation to show God's intentions for man. And God intended Adam to have one wife, Eve.

But again let me ask you to provide me with the passages where we can see that Adam had more than one wife. I and many others would be very interested in this revelation, since I have read my Bible many times an I can't seem to recall anything like that.

Maybe I just overlooked it, but please help me out here.

Memphis could you answer this?

Memphis, would you take more than one wife? How old are you and are you already married?

Biblically, I can see how one could argue this point, however,

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If you ask me, no matter how you slice it up or what reasons you come up with for wanting to do what you want to do without consequence- the Bible tells us that we are to respect our rulers and follow the law which reveals what is sin to us.  The law in America is that men are to have only one wife and women one husband, therefore regardless of who's example you want to use to justify polygamy it is illegal for we who are in America to practice it and therefore it is sin for us to do so.  Other cultures have different laws- David was not American

Is bang on
Romans 13

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« Reply #31 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 18:05:19 »
We're not living in Eden any longer.  There aren't just two people on the planet.  And we still have to be fruitful and multiply per the command of God in Genesis. 
And I don't charge God with sin because He had more than one wife. 
And if I want four or five wives, you know what? that is my God given right.

God also told wives to be obedient to their husbands.  Do you follow that command? 


No matter how you say it, that doesn't change what God created. We certainly can be fruitful and multiply with one wife or husband.

I follow it indeed, just ask my husband, my one and only.

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« Reply #32 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 18:05:43 »
Any ladies out there want to be my second wife?   You will have to get past the current Mrs. first though (Might want to visit the thread on gun possesion!  She ain't big on sharing me.)
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« Reply #33 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 18:32:07 »
Since multiple wives are not allowed legally in the US of A, this discussion is pretty much moot anyhow.

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« Reply #34 on: Thu Dec 04, 2008 - 18:53:18 »
Any ladies out there want to be my second wife?   You will have to get past the current Mrs. first though (Might want to visit the thread on gun possesion!  She ain't big on sharing me.)

Yes I know what you mean. if my husband wanted to have another wife, I would be out of the door so fast and even I may get a gun and I am British and I dont even agree with owning a gun! The trouble is that this man is ignoring all the many teachings in the new testament that specifically say that we are to have one wife and one husband.

memphis please answer the question as to whether you are married cos if you are I would LOVE to know what your wife thinks of this. If you arent then may I suggest that you find one wife before you start thinking that you need more than one.
You may find that once you have told her what your feelings are on the matter she wouldnt want to marry you anyway. I cant see many women being happy about being married to a guy who wanted to be unfaithful.(and that is what it would be.)Not a good start for any mariage is it.How would you feel if your wife told you that she wants to have more than one husband as you cannot satisfy her. Also what would you say to those who would have no wife due to the fact that you had 2 or 3?

Sorry to be blunt, but this sort of thinking (as you have confirmred memphis) usually comes down to the fact of the man wanting to have sex with lots of different women and using The Bible to justify it. Sorry, it wont wash .Jesus himself made it clear, as did Paul, that each man is to have his own wife and each women her own husband (singular)as it was always mean to to be.