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« Reply #35 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 11:06:04 »
Answering questions best I can.  If I missed anyone's, please PM me. 

Multiple wives are not allowed in this country but there is no law against a
married man having girlfriends with whom he has made a vow.

I am 42 years old.  I am married. 

Not all laws are to be obeyed.  California has made it against the law to spank
children.  If I lived there, I would not obey that law if I had children.  Some states say men can marry men.  Not going to obey that law either. 


The thing is, the laws of God regarding physical relations have become so distorted by the melting pot American Church. 
We say sex is evil and can only be made acceptable when it is between one man and one woman.  Hmmmmm.  Why didn't God think to put it that over simplified when He wrote a whole chapter in the book of Leviticus? 

Maybe our hang-ups go back to some of the early misguided church “fathers

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« Reply #36 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 11:21:00 »
Answering questions best I can.  If I missed anyone's, please PM me. 

Multiple wives are not allowed in this country but there is no law against a
married man having girlfriends with whom he has made a vow.

I am 42 years old.  I am married. 

Not all laws are to be obeyed.  California has made it against the law to spank
children.  If I lived there, I would not obey that law if I had children.  Some states say men can marry men.  Not going to obey that law either. 


The thing is, the laws of God regarding physical relations have become so distorted by the melting pot American Church. 
We say sex is evil and can only be made acceptable when it is between one man and one woman.  Hmmmmm.  Why didn't God think to put it that over simplified when He wrote a whole chapter in the book of Leviticus? 

Maybe our hang-ups go back to some of the early misguided church “fathers

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« Reply #37 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 11:43:29 »
We say sex is evil and can only be made acceptable when it is between one man and one woman.  Hmmmmm.  Why didn't God think to put it that over simplified when He wrote a whole chapter in the book of Leviticus? 

"We do?" Whom it we and were exactly did we say that?

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« Reply #38 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 11:47:13 »
We say sex is evil and can only be made acceptable when it is between one man and one woman.  Hmmmmm.  Why didn't God think to put it that over simplified when He wrote a whole chapter in the book of Leviticus? 

"We do?" Whom it we and were exactly did we say that?

 
 

sex isnt evil it is good........when it is in a married relationship between one man and one women, as God intented.
 

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« Reply #39 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 11:48:28 »
We say sex is evil and can only be made acceptable when it is between one man and one woman.  Hmmmmm.  Why didn't God think to put it that over simplified when He wrote a whole chapter in the book of Leviticus? 

"We do?" Whom it we and were exactly did we say that?

 
 

sex isnt evil it is good........when it is in a married relationship between one man and one women, as God intented.
 

"Sex" is always good. It is the "Act/Sin" of doing it outside of marriage that is not good. God created "sex", so it is always good.

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« Reply #40 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 12:08:26 »
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Making a vow does not make you married. If you find another woman you will be committing adultery and you know how God views that. Your desire to have sex with more than one woman is blinding you to what The Bible says on the matter.

Help me to understand, please.  What does the bible say on the matter?
God Himself says to David I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives...
And then He told David if that had not been enough, He would have given him more.  More wives!! 

Does God tempt people to sin?  Heavens no!  James 1:13 says of God: neither tempteth he any man:

God said that David did right all of his days except in the matter of having Uriah the Hittite killed.  This can be found in 1 Kings 15:5.


All the twisting of passages like Matt 19:3-9 are just that: twisting. 


It is not wrong for a man to have several wives.  It is wrong for a woman to have more than one husband.  The husband is the head of his wife.

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« Reply #41 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 12:14:11 »
Maybe the laws regarding physical relations also have to do with ownership.  Father has rights to daughter, she is his property until she becomes married and then the ownership passes to the husband. 

I would like for my second wife to be very physically voluptuous.  Because usually that is a sign of fertility.  If she looks like Venus Williams, well then that would be awesome.  We’re praying that the right woman comes along soon. 
I think I'm going to puke.  No man will ever "own" me.  I am not an object or a piece of property.


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« Reply #42 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 12:18:42 »
In the early years of this country, certain men and women who considered themselves Christians made exactly the same arguments you are making:

It is in the Old Testament.
It is accepted in the Bible and appears to be approved by God.
It is “natural

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« Reply #43 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 12:18:58 »
If what I said makes ya want to puke, then read this:

Deut 5:21
Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any [thing] that [is] thy neighbour's.

All of the above belong to the man signified by the words : any [thing] that [is] thy neighbour's.
Wife, house, field, manservant and maidservant, ox, ass,etc.

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« Reply #44 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 12:20:06 »
In the early years of this country, certain men and women who considered themselves Christians made exactly the same arguments you are making:

It is in the Old Testament.
It is accepted in the Bible and appears to be approved by God.
It is “natural

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« Reply #45 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 12:28:16 »
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Making a vow does not make you married. If you find another woman you will be committing adultery and you know how God views that. Your desire to have sex with more than one woman is blinding you to what The Bible says on the matter.

Help me to understand, please.  What does the bible say on the matter?
God Himself says to David I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives...
And then He told David if that had not been enough, He would have given him more.  More wives!! 

Does God tempt people to sin?  Heavens no!  James 1:13 says of God: neither tempteth he any man:

God said that David did right all of his days except in the matter of having Uriah the Hittite killed.  This can be found in 1 Kings 15:5.


All the twisting of passages like Matt 19:3-9 are just that: twisting. 


It is not wrong for a man to have several wives.  It is wrong for a woman to have more than one husband.  The husband is the head of his wife.

There are loads of verses in the New Testament such as let each man have his own wife (singular) and others which have already been mentioned here. I will look up more later but I havent time now as I have to go out. Just look up wife and husband and see what it really says.

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« Reply #46 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 12:29:52 »
If what I said makes ya want to puke, then read this:

Deut 5:21
Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any [thing] that [is] thy neighbour's.

All of the above belong to the man signified by the words : any [thing] that [is] thy neighbour's.
Wife, house, field, manservant and maidservant, ox, ass,etc.



My husband is MY husband, and I am HIS wife, that doesnt mean that he owns me or that I own HIm.

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« Reply #47 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 13:11:46 »
Answering questions best I can.  If I missed anyone's, please PM me. 

You missed mine, where does the Bible say Adam had two wives?

Multiple wives are not allowed in this country but there is no law against a
married man having girlfriends with whom he has made a vow.

There is a law against adultery/fornication, you will find it listed in the Ten Commandments.

I am 42 years old.  I am married. 

You should consider yourself blessed. (Pro 18:22)

Not all laws are to be obeyed.  California has made it against the law to spank
children.  If I lived there, I would not obey that law if I had children.  Some states say men can marry men.  Not going to obey that law either. 

But God's law is always to be kept, that includes not committing adultery or fornicating.

The thing is, the laws of God regarding physical relations have become so distorted by the melting pot American Church.

You mean because America doesn't allow polygamy so our views are distorted.

We say sex is evil and can only be made acceptable when it is between one man and one woman.  Hmmmmm.  Why didn't God think to put it that over simplified when He wrote a whole chapter in the book of Leviticus? 

God says sexual immorality is a sin, and your blatantly ignoring every passage in the New Testament that exhorts men to have only one wife. I think its clear to anyone reading these exchanges that you are just walling yourself off from New Testament marriage principles to defend your belief that God allows Christians to have many wives.

Your trouble is that you can't prove it in the New Testament.

Maybe our hang-ups go back to some of the early misguided church “fathers

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« Reply #48 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 14:16:04 »
We say sex is evil and can only be made acceptable when it is between one man and one woman.  Hmmmmm.  Why didn't God think to put it that over simplified when He wrote a whole chapter in the book of Leviticus? 

"We do?" Whom it we and were exactly did we say that?

 
 

sex isnt evil it is good........when it is in a married relationship between one man and one women, as God intented.
 

I agree completely. Hence my point to Memphis.

We say sex is evil and can only be made acceptable when it is between one man and one woman.  Hmmmmm.  Why didn't God think to put it that over simplified when He wrote a whole chapter in the book of Leviticus? 

"We do?" Whom it we and were exactly did we say that?

 
 

sex isnt evil it is good........when it is in a married relationship between one man and one women, as God intented.
 

"Sex" is always good. It is the "Act/Sin" of doing it outside of marriage that is not good. God created "sex", so it is always good.

Yup

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« Reply #49 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 14:25:48 »

It is not wrong for a man to have several wives.  It is wrong for a woman to have more than one husband.  The husband is the head of his wife.

I am sorry Memphis. I think you are totally taking this out of context. I suggest you study Ephesians 5 more closely, verses 21 and ff.

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Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— for we are members of his body. "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

The husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. The head of woman is man, the head of man is Christ and therefore, in essence we both are submitting to one another and to Jesus Christ our Lord.

The Holy Spirit clearly uses the singular tense in referring to a man and his wife.

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« Reply #50 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 14:35:18 »
I haven't read all of these.   Is it permissible to give it the ol' BCV argument?

Show me BCV that says directly that a man can not have multiple wives!   (except for the elder/deacon passages of course)

Show me BCV that a man can not marry his pet!


I submit, therefore, that God only gave us a glimpse of the ideal.  We are free in Christ to marry whoever and as many as we want to! Who are you to judge?  etc etc etc.    *This approach works pretty well on a lot of issues, doesn't it?

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« Reply #51 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 14:36:49 »
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« Reply #52 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 14:44:34 »
You say that you are praying that the right woman comes along soon.
God will not answer a prayer that is against His will. if someone does come along, it wont be God who has answered your prayer, and I will give you 2 guesses who it will be. I'll give you a clue, it is someone who loves to disort Godly Christian marriages and who loves to cause unhappiness and dishormany in a marriage.
I am sure that some women here may like to meet a male equviliant to a 'voluptous woman' but we are more than happy wih the husbands that God has blessed us with and know that he looks on those who commit adultery or fornication with strong disfavour. Havent you read what will happen to those who openly commit adultery?
They have no place in the kingdom. If I were you I would stick to what God says, it isnt worth having another woman to  have sex with and then to loose your soul.
God will not bless  a marriage where the marriage bed is defiled. God says that it is defiled when one spouse is unfaithful and you will be being unfaithful, AND saying that God permits it which is even worse..

Thank God for the wife that you have. Many men dont have a wife so be content with her and with the children that he blesses you with together.

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« Reply #53 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 14:46:06 »
I haven't read all of these.   Is it permissible to give it the ol' BCV argument?

Show me BCV that says directly that a man can not have multiple wives!   (except for the elder/deacon passages of course)

Show me BCV that a man can not marry his pet!


I submit, therefore, that God only gave us a glimpse of the ideal.  We are free in Christ to marry whoever and as many as we want to! Who are you to judge?  etc etc etc.    *This approach works pretty well on a lot of issues, doesn't it?


???

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« Reply #54 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 14:54:25 »
I haven't read all of these.   Is it permissible to give it the ol' BCV argument?

Show me BCV that says directly that a man can not have multiple wives!   (except for the elder/deacon passages of course)

Show me BCV that a man can not marry his pet!


I submit, therefore, that God only gave us a glimpse of the ideal.  We are free in Christ to marry whoever and as many as we want to! Who are you to judge?  etc etc etc.    *This approach works pretty well on a lot of issues, doesn't it?


???

Sarcasm can often be confused as the rantings of a crazy person, but zoonance is not advocating marrying your poodle.

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« Reply #55 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 14:56:00 »
Didn't think so.

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« Reply #56 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 15:27:35 »
zoonance, marry your pet? 
Leviticus 20:15
And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.

Since we're at it:

And Jehoiada took for him two wives; and he begat sons and daughters.
And Joash did [that which was] right in the sight of the LORD all the days of Jehoiada the priest.

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« Reply #57 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 15:28:28 »
Show me BCV that a man can not marry his pet!


Exodus 22:19...  

I guess you can marry them, but don't have sex with them.   ???  

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« Reply #58 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 15:35:50 »
I haven't read all of these.   Is it permissible to give it the ol' BCV argument?

Show me BCV that says directly that a man can not have multiple wives!   (except for the elder/deacon passages of course)

Show me BCV that a man can not marry his pet!


I submit, therefore, that God only gave us a glimpse of the ideal.  We are free in Christ to marry whoever and as many as we want to! Who are you to judge?  etc etc etc.    *This approach works pretty well on a lot of issues, doesn't it?


???

Sarcasm can often be confused as the rantings of a crazy person, but zoonance is not advocating marrying your poodle.


No, but there is this hot dachsund....

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« Reply #59 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 15:38:01 »
zoonance, marry your pet? 
Leviticus 20:15
And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.

Since we're at it:

And Jehoiada took for him two wives; and he begat sons and daughters.
And Joash did [that which was] right in the sight of the LORD all the days of Jehoiada the priest.



That was OT.    God has become a christian since then on a number of issues He no longer meant.
Show me BCV that a man can not marry his pet!


Exodus 22:19...  

I guess you can marry them, but don't have sex with them.   ???  



Interesting.  In our culture, that can happen (between people!) and the marriage be anulled legally due to intimacy deficiency.   Was it ever a marriage?  When does a marriage really become a marriage?

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« Reply #60 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 15:47:07 »
I haven't seen anyone say this yet...

Would anyone actually WANT 2 wives, or 2 concubines? I Love my spouse with all my heart, but there is no way I could physically or mentally balance two women.

And that's not to say 1 negative thing about women. Simply that I could not handle 2 different personalities, sex drives, needs, wants, reproduction desires, styles, tastes, life views, personal hygiene, favorite tv shows, expectations for social gatherings (parties, friends over), types of friends, personal things they don't like about me, etc. etc. etc.

One is a blessing and one is plenty  ::juggle::

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« Reply #61 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 15:52:53 »
What I'm promoting is polygyny. 

What?!  Have I logged into the Twilight Zone, here?  That's what I get for not being on the forum much for a few days.  Carry on.

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« Reply #62 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 16:03:06 »
Maybe the laws regarding physical relations also have to do with ownership.  Father has rights to daughter, she is his property until she becomes married and then the ownership passes to the husband. 

I would like for my second wife to be very physically voluptuous.  Because usually that is a sign of fertility.  If she looks like Venus Williams, well then that would be awesome.  We’re praying that the right woman comes along soon. 



 ::headspin::
I am sorry but to draw a quote from 'Finding Nemo'  - "There's something wrong with you, really!"       Perhaps you can address the questions and references pointed out to you regarding the New Testament instead of avoiding them and picking and choosing that which suits you and out of context at that- everyone is still waiting   ::bracingmyself::

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« Reply #63 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 16:14:52 »
Memphis, using the logic you have presented here, saying that our OT patriarchs did it, you could also say owning slaves would be perfectly fine today.

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« Reply #64 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 16:20:05 »
It used to be at consummation... but I don't think anyone cares now. 

I was being sarcastic  rofl  ... You know I won the prize for being the MOST sarcastic poster.  Did you vote for me??   ::saint::

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« Reply #65 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 16:24:01 »
Maybe the laws regarding physical relations also have to do with ownership.  Father has rights to daughter, she is his property until she becomes married and then the ownership passes to the husband. 

I would like for my second wife to be very physically voluptuous.  Because usually that is a sign of fertility.  If she looks like Venus Williams, well then that would be awesome.  We’re praying that the right woman comes along soon. 



 ::headspin::
I am sorry but to draw a quote from 'Finding Nemo'  - "There's something wrong with you, really!"       Perhaps you can address the questions and references pointed out to you regarding the New Testament instead of avoiding them and picking and choosing that which suits you and out of context at that- everyone is still waiting   ::bracingmyself::

I noticed Mr. Muchos Mamasitas Memphis has been ignoring my posts despite the fact he claimed in the opening post to have started this thread to discuss this topic with me specifically.

I find that ironic.

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« Reply #66 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 17:28:08 »
Memphis Dwight,

All I can say is I think you need to take a good look at your heart in all of these things you have been posting, here and in other threads.

A man is to love his wife with agape love.

1 Corinthians 13:4-8 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.  Love never ends.

I hope you treat your wife in the way that God would have you treat her. 

Looking at what you've posted makes me believe that you are trying to justify being unfaithful to your wife.  You're looking for loopholes, and you're at the prime age for a mid-life crisis/fling.  Your wife deserves better.  I hope she knows that.


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« Reply #67 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 20:46:21 »
I haven't seen anyone say this yet...

Would anyone actually WANT 2 wives, or 2 concubines? I Love my spouse with all my heart, but there is no way I could physically or mentally balance two women.

And that's not to say 1 negative thing about women. Simply that I could not handle 2 different personalities, sex drives, needs, wants, reproduction desires, styles, tastes, life views, personal hygiene, favorite tv shows, expectations for social gatherings (parties, friends over), types of friends, personal things they don't like about me, etc. etc. etc.

One is a blessing and one is plenty  ::juggle::
     


The trouble is that many sects who do have this marrying several women thing treat their wives like servants and their wives have little or no say in anything. They are certanly not allowed to ask their husbands not to have another woman,or to have any say in what their own needs or desires are or what they want. The are bought up to think that the man is  never to be questioned about anything and they have no say in anything that goes on. This is how it works for the man. The women are usually brainwashed into thinking that this is their lot in life and just to get on with it.

I STILL want to know what would happen to the millions of men who would be without wives if others had 2 or 3. Could you answer this memphis?In the sects where this goes on, the young men are chucked out of the families at a certain age so that the older men can have the girls and there are none left for the young guys.
Ugh, makes me feel sick.

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Re: Let Each Woman Have Her Own Husband
« Reply #68 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 23:03:35 »
Statistically, that would not happen... "millions of men without wives"... as it's been recorded for decades that women outnumber men in the world.

I think those who are chucked out of the cults are better off... they can go find normal wives and marriages.  IMHO. 

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« Reply #69 on: Fri Dec 05, 2008 - 23:06:54 »
Memphis, using the logic you have presented here, saying that our OT patriarchs did it, you could also say owning slaves would be perfectly fine today.

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Is he really serious?  If he is, about multiple wives, I'll never take anything he says seriously again.  Give me a break.