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Re: Men, Can't seem to make her happy?
« Reply #70 on: Tue Nov 24, 2009 - 02:29:41 »
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There are no men here on this thread who wish to dominate and control women...so why is that even a part of this?

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You know I sometimes think you see some men claiming to be christians because no other part of society will accept their attitudes. Legitimately anyway.  Sad that.

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Re: Men, Can't seem to make her happy?
« Reply #71 on: Tue Nov 24, 2009 - 05:33:14 »
Now I am sure that someone has a gender issue.

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Re: Men, Can't seem to make her happy?
« Reply #72 on: Tue Nov 24, 2009 - 06:31:53 »
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You know, yesult, what you just said actually has nothing to do with my statement whatsoever. I said feminism has to be killed and why.

Actually it did. Loud and clear. You're trying to twist 'feminism' into what you want it to be, which therefore justifys killing all of it.

But considering so many of your posts on here that doesn't suprise me.


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If you think you're talking about something else called "equality" which I sure hope also involves standing up against female offenders against male victims, "equally," then we have no argument on that issue in this case.  

If your posts on here overall backed that up, I'd believe you. But that hasn't been my observations.

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Not to mention demonstrating that your sense of justice toward "equality" also goes in the direction of men such as in the cases I stated (and believe me, there is much more where that came from).

Bingo. Twisting it around to try to imply that I unfairly view equality from a biased female perspective. lol. What a suprise.



"Twisting it around" to see if there's a drop of consistency in your justice? Don't say I presumed anything before trying to find out: Is there, or is there not, any respect in you for the fact that after a certain method called "feminism" was employed, a severe inequality AGAINST men can now be found? When something called "women's issues" were created in such a way as to divert attention away from "men's issue's" (the schism that feminism CREATED, which I established previously), men suffered?

And here we are: men suffer from it, some people don't even want to know about it. Feminism is just that sacred to some people, and I'm not sure even they know what they think they want at this point anymore.

If there is any "overall" trend in my posts, beyond this issue also, it's this: follow scripture: acknowledge every word. If you don't follow scripture, it won't work, and there will be consequences. Feminism doesn't have the slightest basis in scripture--there is no cause, there is absolutely no Biblical grounds for indicting the entire male gender for a male sin across the history of the world, nor does the Word portray some ideal justice in the way that feminism does. And there is no evidence that women are happier overall in today's culture than in others or in previous ones. Whatever women's problems really were, I can't see how feminism fixed any of them this far.

Anyway, like I say, without feminism there would not be this fear of "hurting the women's team" that would actually prevent some men from getting justice.
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Re: Men, Can't seem to make her happy?
« Reply #73 on: Tue Nov 24, 2009 - 08:20:41 »
Cally there is a sort of stockholm syndrome that infects men. There are actual male feminists, then there are men who just are so deeply trained to never thing anything but sugar and spice, then there are these stockholm sufferers.

Track it back and we all maybe exhibited it when we were younger (those of us not younger now) as we, when talking with girlsd would say "Im not like other guys"....thats exactly whwre and when it started.

I had this long talk explaining all this to my 16 year old boy, and he was surprised when i gave that example because he said yep, he had used the exact same sentence before.

Self effacement urges by men are why those who complain as we do will largely stay marginalized. Unless LOTS complain its very easy to say , "kooks, haters, bitter men, etc"

There is simply nothing left to rail about for feminism. I wish someone would list off for me the tangible injustices that need fixing. The laws are equal (yet unequally applied, in THEIR favor), pay IS equal, its choices that create the mythical gap, all rights exist, some even carry quotas that exceed mens natural rights, from medical research dollars to educational enrollments at uni. men are lesser.....yet.....who is loudly proclaiming there is an issue?

Feminists. (save your ammo if you intend to say something about the 3rd world. we are discussing western countries for one thing, and for another western feminists advocate very little for the plight of the sisters in those areas, some go so far as to celebrate those womens "choices"....twisted that)

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« Reply #74 on: Tue Nov 24, 2009 - 11:00:01 »
Cally there is a sort of stockholm syndrome that infects men. There are actual male feminists, then there are men who just are so deeply trained to never thing anything but sugar and spice, then there are these stockholm sufferers.

Track it back and we all maybe exhibited it when we were younger (those of us not younger now) as we, when talking with girlsd would say "Im not like other guys"....thats exactly whwre and when it started.

I had this long talk explaining all this to my 16 year old boy, and he was surprised when i gave that example because he said yep, he had used the exact same sentence before.

Self effacement urges by men are why those who complain as we do will largely stay marginalized. Unless LOTS complain its very easy to say , "kooks, haters, bitter men, etc"

There is simply nothing left to rail about for feminism. I wish someone would list off for me the tangible injustices that need fixing. The laws are equal (yet unequally applied, in THEIR favor), pay IS equal, its choices that create the mythical gap, all rights exist, some even carry quotas that exceed mens natural rights, from medical research dollars to educational enrollments at uni. men are lesser.....yet.....who is loudly proclaiming there is an issue?

Feminists. (save your ammo if you intend to say something about the 3rd world. we are discussing western countries for one thing, and for another western feminists advocate very little for the plight of the sisters in those areas, some go so far as to celebrate those womens "choices"....twisted that)

Yes, I know what you mean. The guys are tricked into thinking that they're doing a righteous thing for the world by apologizing to women.

Forget it.

And "Stockholm syndrome" is true. There are men out there that have been oppressed by women their whole lives (these are personal anecdotes) and it blows my mind how they are always looking for some male "bad guy" to track down when they just can't seem to confront a female when she's clearly the source of the trouble. Ironically, that is an example of tradition rearing its ugly head--they are enslaved by women.

The only thing left for feminism to rail about is the simple fact that these women underneath it are simply not happier. They think the whole rest of the world is "oppressed" and they keep trying to convince them how unhappy they are (is the world easy street for men all over the world?). Can't someone just think and realize how innately crazy that proposal is, that women were wronged by men all across history? If something that spectacular were going on there's no way you wouldn't hear about its epic scale in scripture. It's roots are humanist (or "human evolution") to think that we came up with some brand spanking new idea. And Christians agreeing to it? If it's so Godly, then why isn't the secular world also embracing Christianity?

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There are no men here on this thread who wish to dominate and control women...so why is that even a part of this?

 rofl


You know I sometimes think you see some men claiming to be christians because no other part of society will accept their attitudes. Legitimately anyway.  Sad that.

You mean the God-hating atheist world? You're right! Interesting, no?
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Re: Men, Can't seem to make her happy?
« Reply #75 on: Tue Nov 24, 2009 - 14:34:56 »
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There are no men here on this thread who wish to dominate and control women...so why is that even a part of this?

 rofl


You know I sometimes think you see some men claiming to be christians because no other part of society will accept their attitudes. Legitimately anyway.  Sad that.

If I have any idea what this means, and I have to say its the laughing emoticon that makes it confusing, then I see simply a bad misread of "these mens attitudes".

In your world I guess there are 2 places.

1. Where men are seen as morons and mean idiots, and they are comfortable there because each one can individualy say "Im not like that" (kinda like you are doing)
2. Full on woman haters


you fail to include the possibility of a 3rd catagory....where they MIGHT actually have a point.

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« Reply #76 on: Fri Nov 27, 2009 - 06:42:45 »
I ran into another article on the internet:

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/career/?p=1441

"It never ceases to amaze me that the same women who would have a cow over an insensitive remark directed at their own gender can feel perfectly justified in being complete boors toward men."

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« Reply #77 on: Mon Nov 30, 2009 - 04:29:24 »
Now I am sure that someone has a gender issue.

Really. Can you prove it? You haven't so far.

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« Reply #78 on: Mon Nov 30, 2009 - 04:44:38 »
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"Twisting it around" to see if there's a drop of consistency in your justice?

What, only a drop?

How about proving that what I've said is wrong. That would be far more interesting.

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Don't say I presumed anything before trying to find out: Is there, or is there not, any respect in you for the fact that after a certain method called "feminism" was employed, a severe inequality AGAINST men can now be found?

Twisting. Again. Any respect? Give me a break. How about responding with something a little more logical.

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[/b] When something called "women's issues" were created in such a way as to divert attention away from "men's issue's"

How about making your accusations a little clearer. You seem to be implying that womens issues were deliberatly created to draw attention away from 'mens issues.'

If that is so, all I can say is  rofl

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(the schism that feminism CREATED, which I established previously), men suffered?

You established previously? You're ignoring my points and trying to claim feminism is exactly what you want it to be so you can blame it for whatever you feel like. AS I ALREADY stated.

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Here we are: men suffer from it, some people don't even want to know about it.

"All' men suffer from inequality when women are treated as equals? I don't agree. Some men suffer when women bully them. Wow, how about that. The same as some women suffer when men bully them. Who would have guessed?

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Feminism is just that sacred to some people, and I'm not sure even they know what they think they want at this point anymore.

Feminism isn't what you want it to be. Again.

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If there is any "overall" trend in my posts, beyond this issue also, it's this: follow scripture: acknowledge every word.

Muddy the water and twist what other people have said as well as ignoring what they've said to try to prove your point of view regardless.

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If you don't follow scripture, it won't work, and there will be consequences.

Funny but I and phoebe and chosenone occasionally and other people have quoted scriptures to back up our posts frequently when gender arguments have started in threads and you've usually ignored those scriptures because there was little you could say or quote in response. So trying to claim that I or others haven't is a joke.

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Feminism doesn't have the slightest basis in scripture--

Interestingly enough however, equality and justice does.

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there is no cause, there is absolutely no Biblical grounds for indicting the entire male gender for a male sin across the history of the world,

It's fun watching you slip and slid around sometimes to avoid detection and pretend you have an argument. Would you like to actually explain what you're trying to say here, because you seem to be implying that although this is not the case for men, it is for women. If not then please explain.

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nor does the Word portray some ideal justice in the way that feminism does.

No it just promotes equality. And feminism isn't against equality as a movement or have you missed that fact?

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And there is no evidence that women are happier overall in today's culture than in others or in previous ones.

Jumping from one point to another and another hoping to pretend you have a valid argument through attrition if nothing else.

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Whatever women's problems really were, I can't see how feminism fixed any of them this far.

Yeah not being able to vote wasn't a problem. Neither was being paid less for equal work. Neither was sexism regarding immorality, nor lack of legal rights for victims of physical or sexual abuse. Neither was lack of educational opportunities, career options or the right to be able to have a career and earn enough to support yourself outside of marriage. It goes on and on. Maybe you should do a little history reading and stop making such blatantly ignorant statements hoping no one will notice or question them.

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Anyway, like I say, without feminism there would not be this fear of "hurting the women's team" that would actually prevent some men from getting justice.

Feminism isn't what YOU want it to be. How many times does that point need to be brought up?
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« Reply #79 on: Mon Nov 30, 2009 - 05:10:32 »

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And "Stockholm syndrome" is true. There are men out there that have been oppressed by women their whole lives (these are personal anecdotes) and it blows my mind how they are always looking for some male "bad guy" to track down when they just can't seem to confront a female when she's clearly the source of the trouble. Ironically, that is an example of tradition rearing its ugly head--they are enslaved by women.

Funny, I've never met any. I've seen men beaten down by women which is sad, but I've never seen them try to blame men for their oppression.

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The only thing left for feminism to rail about is the simple fact that these women underneath it are simply not happier.

When men (like you) deliberatly ignore scripture to try to keep women out of ministry which you have CLEARLY done on more then one thread, that shows an underlying attitude that will rear it's ugly head in other directions. So is trying to claim that feminism has never helped any woman. You want to ignore male sexism and bigotry because that justifys pushing women down. Your choice.

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They think the whole rest of the world is "oppressed"

Have you had a good look at womens roles and treatment in developing nations lately. Perhaps you should.

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and they keep trying to convince them how unhappy they are

And inequality and oppression doesn't cause unhappiness. Cally you're constantly claiming fairness and logic and then exposing what you really think over and over again.

 
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(is the world easy street for men all over the world?).

And that's supposed to justify treating women worse?

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Can't someone just think and realize how innately crazy that proposal is, that women were wronged by men all across history?

Do you ever watch televion, read anything that could possibly prove you wrong? So you honestly believe that women all over the world are treated equally to men and always have. Your posts are starting to border on fanaticism to excuse your viewpoints.

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If something that spectacular were going on there's no way you wouldn't hear about its epic scale in scripture.

Yes it is mentioned in scripture. Why don't you read it. (Oh, but we've been pointing it out to you in scripture and you've been ignoring it.) Like proven translation bias. Like the destruction of Davids family through his multiple wives. Like Solomons idolatry because of his greed for women. Like Abrahams sin in taking Hagar and the suffering it brought on his generations as a result. Like Jacobs two wives and concubines and the rivalry between the sons. Like the constant infighting between the sons from the many wives of Israels kings. Like the fact that the new testment says that a church overseer should only have ONE wife.

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It's roots are humanist (or "human evolution") to think that we came up with some brand spanking new idea.

What's roots? Equality. No they come from the bible. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

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And Christians agreeing to it?

Well 'christians' have been agreeing to all sorts of behaviour from genocide to homosexuality to the murder of other christians. What does the bible say about it? A lot actually and we've been quoting it to you for quite a while now.

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If it's so Godly, then why isn't the secular world also embracing Christianity?

Pehaps a better question to ask is why have so many non-christians rejected 'christianity' because of the percieved or practiced bigotry in it?


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You know I sometimes think you see some men claiming to be christians because no other part of society will accept their attitudes. Legitimately anyway.  Sad that.

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You mean the God-hating atheist world? You're right! Interesting, no?

So all non christians are God hating athiests? You wish. It'd make you feel better. 

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« Reply #80 on: Mon Nov 30, 2009 - 05:13:16 »
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In your world I guess there are 2 places.

1. Where men are seen as morons and mean idiots, and they are comfortable there because each one can individualy say "Im not like that" (kinda like you are doing)
2. Full on woman haters

As above. You wish. It'd justify your own arrogance and bigotry if that actually was the case which you have yet been able to prove.

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you fail to include the possibility of a 3rd catagory....where they MIGHT actually have a point.

Who has a point? That women give men a hard time sometimes? Have I ever claimed that wasn't the case?

No.

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« Reply #81 on: Mon Nov 30, 2009 - 07:24:08 »
We usually call Prima Facia evidense just that....

Plain as the nose on a person's face.

The thing stands alone as complete proof of it's existance.


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« Reply #82 on: Mon Nov 30, 2009 - 08:12:57 »
Here are just a few general notes. First of all, all of your interpretations about the dreaded inequality throughout scripture do not see a hint of God's agreement on it JUDGMENT-WISE.

Does God come out of a cloud and scream: "what is the matter with all of you being so unequal to women?" Nope. Never. He did so for all kinds of things during and after Israel's history. You claim some inequality that was so epic in scale across humanity, and the fact is you can hardly produce anything that shows that God has the same opinion of it as you do.

Secondly, you've seen more than enough that shows that views against men have prevented them from getting justice. Even regardless of your conspiracy theories, what you see before you is inequality against men, ironically because of a culture bias. You would see at least as many men calling out in distress as we see of women if they knew they had been done wrong and were not afraid to call out for help. Feminism is responsible for that.

Finally, about the "translation bias": there isn't one. The arguments for them are so overwhelmingly absurd and desperate that the only solution has been drowning it with completely circular logic that begins and ends with "we all know this is just wrong, right?" Every single one--and it doesn't surprise me to see the sheer amount of effort some people put into it, but that's not exactly the only camp of perversion of scripture there is out there. The translators did not set out to mess anything up--if they had, they wouldn't have gotten the REST of scripture as well-translated (without serious error) as they have. And in case it's a mystery to you, I primarily gather information, which involves testing reactions--standing on the word has been reinforced spiritually without a doubt.

Now I am sure that someone has a gender issue.

Really. Can you prove it? You haven't so far.

The reason is because YOU started the discussion about "how terribly women are treated" spiel in the middle of a discussion about things happening to men--you are the one who dragged that into this discussion which discussed issues affecting men.

What next? Will you barge into a room where men are trying to be helped from these sorts of traumas and just pound into him some more about how you think his gender owes it to the other half anyway for your personal vengeance? That sort of thing is also not uncommon in this culture.

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« Reply #83 on: Mon Nov 30, 2009 - 10:19:59 »
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/11/29/the-myth-of-womens-oppression/


The Myth of Women’s Oppression
Sunday, November 29, 2009
By Paul Elam
Forty some odd years ago, feminists bellowed their way into mainstream attention, launching a major offensive on what they called a patriarchal system that had oppressed women for centuries.

Painting women as downtrodden and powerless, they railed against men with the missionary zeal of abolitionists and with largely the same message.

In short, women were slaves and men were their masters. They demanded liberation and have been making demands every since.

They did a magnificent job of pitching all this. That could be a testament to the inherent truth in their ideas. Or it might be something else, like the fact that they already had so much power that few were willing to question anything they said in the first place.

You can put your money on the latter, because even a remotely objective examination of the facts leads to a far more reasonable conclusion.

Women were never oppressed to begin with. Not even close.

I’m no historian, but I did attend some history classes before I finished middle school. So, by the time I was 13, I knew what oppression was. And lucky for me I was 13 in a time when people still knew what it wasn’t.

Oppression has some pretty obvious tell tale signs. Like torture and death; like bullwhips and chains; gas chambers and death camps. Oppression is a roadmap of scars on the back of a field hand that was purchased at an auction. It is the rope that gets strung over a tree branch in broad daylight and used to choke the life out of someone convicted of being the wrong color.

It is an indelible stain on humanity, void of compassion, dehumanizing both the oppressed and the oppressor. And the evidence of it is so offensive to modern sensibilities that we preserve proof of it as lessons for the coming generations.

Now, when we compare those things to the historical world of women, which was largely one of being protected and provided for, we get an entirely different picture. It is a portrait not of the oppressed, but of the privileged. And it begs a good many questions that need to be answered.

For instance, how many times in history did we have slaves with the first rights to a seat in the lifeboat? Which slave masters were compelled to go off to war to protect the lives of their slaves? How many oppressors tore their own bodies down with brutal labor so that they could provide food and shelter for those they oppressed?

Zero sounds like a good answer.

It also makes one wonder, or should, how many slave masters had to get on their knees before their prospective slaves, bearing gold and jewels to ask permission to be their master? How many slaves could say “no

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« Reply #84 on: Mon Nov 30, 2009 - 10:39:16 »
"With a few trivial exceptions, this has always been the gold standard for the treatment of women. The fact that this is beginning to change, that men are starting to put the brakes on doing a lot of things out of chivalry, is just another example of feminism shooting women in the foot. Accidents happen, especially self inflicted wounds, to people that play with guns when they don’t know what they’re doing."

Yup. If they say they want equality, all special treatment is absolutely over. Gone. No more hold the door open. No more paying for dates. NOTHING. And for a woman who thinks "equality and then some" that is almost definitely the next step.

And really at this point, society has made sure that men no longer have the advantage to be able to do so--artificially, and the country will pay for it.

And yet again, special "unequal" treatment is exactly what they pined for (scholarships, affirmative action) to get "equality." It was corrupt from the beginning. Are those princesses oppressed? No, they're just like any other greedy person that wants more and is looking for a loophole to get it.

The fact is that there's no credibility because of how weakly people have gone up against their "home team" attitude with this thing. "All women are oppressed" as if to say all men have it on easy street? Like there's no such thing as a woman who has had it easier as a man?

Anyway--equal numbers, equal position (women are in the EXACT same places that men are and inevitably next to them, unlike race and class).

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« Reply #85 on: Thu Dec 10, 2009 - 06:49:56 »
I put this off till I could be bothered answering you again, but you've proved yourselves so obviously in the areas of chavanism and bigotry regarding women in so many posts that I really couldn't be bothered.

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Women were never oppressed to begin with. Not even close.

I have to agree with phoebe on this one:  ::puking::

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« Reply #86 on: Thu Dec 10, 2009 - 08:36:21 »
I put this off till I could be bothered answering you again, but you've proved yourselves so obviously in the areas of chavanism and bigotry regarding women in so many posts that I really couldn't be bothered.

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Women were never oppressed to begin with. Not even close.

I have to agree with phoebe on this one:  ::puking::

Well there's nothing like sweet freedom from this manipulation tactic that has such a strangle-hold on so many in this culture from people like you, but it's like they say, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

Moreover, it's just plain clear that you have resisted scripture and made up phantom theologies. From a global and wider (historical) perspective, however, it's easy to see what's really going on.

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« Reply #87 on: Mon Dec 14, 2009 - 02:02:56 »
Cally and blah blah, there's a difference between people who are mistakenly wrong and deliberatly wrong. I'm only interesting in discussing topics with people who really are interested in the truth and getting to the bottom of it.

Those who know better but want to stay in sin, deliberatly, dig their own graves.


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« Reply #88 on: Mon Dec 14, 2009 - 03:28:44 »
Cally and blah blah, there's a difference between people who are mistakenly wrong and deliberatly wrong. I'm only interesting in discussing topics with people who really are interested in the truth and getting to the bottom of it.

Those who know better but want to stay in sin, deliberatly, dig their own graves.



Dunno what to do for you there, yesult.

Here's an insight for you, though: It really doesn't help to be the first one who declares who is "digging his own grave." Nor are you any sort of judge/jury/executioner, and it's interesting that you even reference an agreement with modern culture as if to support yourself. At any rate, I don't recognize your self-appointment as a condemner of people, or as one speaking like God.
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Re: Men, Can't seem to make her happy?
« Reply #89 on: Mon Dec 14, 2009 - 07:28:04 »
Im not even sure what yes is getting at now.

Truth about WHAT? And how to measure same? If measuring is an option, he can be empirically proven wrong. Choosing to see through the lens of chivalry, meaning SHE can do no wrong, will distort reality everytime.





Have some history:

In the mid-1960s a political movement surged in the United States amidst widespread conditions of political unrest and disillusionment with society as it was. This movement was called Feminism. While it purported to seek equality for yet one more underclass in the same manner that the Civil Rights movement of Martin Luther King, Jr. sought equal rights for African Americans and the American Indian Movement, led by Leonard Peltier, Dennis Banks, Russell Means and others, sought to restore the lost rights and property of Native Americans, this new alleged underclass was purported to cut across all social and economic strata.

At first it was difficult to take seriously these graduates of Ivy League schools who compared their suffering the boredom of housework with the Cherokee Nation’s trail of tears and the reign of terror which the KKK successfully waged against black Americans in the south. Yet there did seem to be validity some of the points they made. Media portrayals of women seldom showed them as anything but weak, dependent, and not-too-smart. Real barriers to women seeking careers and inequality certainly existed throughout society, so some of us listened as they made their case.

Their case, however, was not a compelling one. Much was made of the historical “oppression

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Re: Men, Can't seem to make her happy?
« Reply #90 on: Mon Dec 14, 2009 - 07:29:24 »
An interesting side note here. Most studies of the relationship between education and income made the mistake of confusing correlation with causality. Because there was a very strong trend for income to increase as education increased, the conclusion was drawn that education caused income. Better designed and conducted studies found that there was a factor that had an even higher correlation with both income and education that they had with each other: family income and socioeconomic status. Duh! More rich people’s kids went to college than poor people’s. And, duh, more rich people’s kids became affluent themselves than poor people’s. How surprising.)

Not only were recent male graduates competing with larger numbers of other men than ever before for fewer jobs than ever before, they were also competing with a significant number of women. In the 60s there had been an average of one promotion available for every 10 workers. By the 80’s, when the biological clocks of boomer women were beginning to go off loudly, that ratio had increased to 1/30. By the end of the century it will likely be close to 1/50. The opportunities for men to generate income sufficient to be sole support of a family were going away.

Particularly since the expectations of material goods had risen significantly in that time. During the post-war period when most boomers were born the average new house cost about $15,000 and had a one car-garage. Cars themselves cost from $1500 to $3000, except for “luxury

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Re: Men, Can't seem to make her happy?
« Reply #91 on: Sat Jan 09, 2010 - 21:23:11 »
Look at the title of this thread:  It assumes that "Happiness" is a mandate, not just a desire.  A responsibility for the man, and a right for the woman.  To even struggle with this suggests having started off with the wrong goals to begin with!  Blessing someone is not "making them happy."  It's giving them the highest good (according to God, not us).  Does that cause happiness most times?  Sure.  Has no business being turned into an entitlement/impossible task arena, though.   ::frown::  It opens the door for human nature to do what it does best:  sin.  Abuse.  Destroy.

Letting the world's thinking saturate God's Word has let most of this junk in!