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Questions about BEING PRUDE
« on: Tue Jan 19, 2010 - 08:00:25 »
Alright so we all know that being prude is deeply rooted in the whole
religion and churchianity thing.  But how did this all get started? 

Is being an uptight prude really an essential or even good component of being a good little evangelical? 

Let us step back in time before there was television.  Television robs us of our imagination.  On the other hand, reading stimulates the mind's ability to visualize. 

So people living long before television were much better able to visualize things they read in the bible. 

For example:  And Adam knew Eve his wife, Gen 4:1

I wonder what would happen if in the next Sunday School class, I were to use
a power point presentation with an artist's rendition of this scene?

Or what about this scene:
And they were both naked, the man and his wife, Gen 2:25

Now what would happen if I were to use animation?  For example, if I were good at computer animation and I were to depict the scene in Gen 38:9
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled [it] on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

Or any of the other scenes in the bible such as the illustrations in the Song of Solomon regarding the genitals and the breasts?  If I were to have a painting done of these scenes, would you get mad?

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Re: Questions about BEING PRUDE
« Reply #1 on: Tue Jan 19, 2010 - 09:07:39 »
Being a prude and being modest are two different things.Somethings are between a husband and his wife. yes sex is good and godly in marriage between a man and his wife, but also The Bible tells us not to uncover nakedness doesnt it? Does it tell women to dress and act modestly? In the bedroom this doesnt apply but in day to day life it does. 
I really dont think we have to have it spelled out what 'knowing his wife' means do we ? Also we dont have to have it displayed accross our screens for all to see.

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« Reply #2 on: Tue Jan 19, 2010 - 10:04:31 »
(Don't understand why this topic would be moved to marriage forum??  Oh well, no matter.)

 ::pondering:: What does "uptight" prude have to do with not displaying one's naked body, or parts thereof, or sexual acts?  To not produce paintings-(whatever)- of those things is not being prudish, but using common sense as with most in society nowadays (actually any era) 'showing it like it is' would hardly bring on Christian praise worthy thoughts.

Wierd, would any Christian want to, or even consider displaying such??  I'm no prude, and I surely don't need visual effects to determine what 'knowing', etc., means in the Bible.  Hmmm, why would anyone need to have drawn out for them private body parts, when reading scripture pertaining to them?

".....Or any of the other scenes in the bible such as the illustrations in the Song of Solomon regarding the genitals and the breasts?  If I were to have a painting done of these scenes, would you get mad?...."

Personally, I wouldn't get mad......just amazed at what I would consider, irresponsible audacity.

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Jan 19, 2010 - 10:19:05 »
(Don't understand why this topic would be moved to marriage forum??  Oh well, no matter.)

 ::pondering:: What does "uptight" prude have to do with not displaying one's naked body, or parts thereof, or sexual acts?  To not produce paintings-(whatever)- of those things is not being prudish, but using common sense as with most in society nowadays (actually any era) 'showing it like it is' would hardly bring on Christian praise worthy thoughts.

weird, would any Christian want to, or even consider displaying such??  I'm no prude, and I surely don't need visual effects to determine what 'knowing', etc., means in the Bible.  Hmmm, why would anyone need to have drawn out for them private body parts, when reading scripture pertaining to them?

".....Or any of the other scenes in the bible such as the illustrations in the Song of Solomon regarding the genitals and the breasts?  If I were to have a painting done of these scenes, would you get mad?...."

Personally, I wouldn't get mad......just amazed at what I would consider, irresponsible audacity.



 I agree, After all if anyone REALLY wants to see these sorts of things there is plenty of porn around. Not to be encouraged however.

My husband is a very godly man, He wont allow himself to watch films or programmes with sex scenes or scantily clad women. If a woman walks along who is dressed very immodestly he will look away. That is not being prudish it is obeying God.  There is a time and place for this and that is in marriage with your husband or wife.

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« Reply #4 on: Tue Jan 19, 2010 - 10:46:02 »
Wait just a second.....

Are we supposed to read over these passages quickly-- not really getting too much of a mental picture?  

What if I dwell on an image of the naked Eve too long?  Am I lusting?  Am I going to hell for that?  

You guys are way off base and I suppose I could reopen the topic of the misapplied and twisted understanding of Matt 5:27-28 but would you listen and try to comprehend?  

Did you know that lesbianism is nowhere condemned by God? Even though women lying with an animal is?  And don't even think about bringing up Romans ch 1.  That has to do with women engaging in anal sex to avoid pregnancy and it has been proven.  

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« Reply #5 on: Tue Jan 19, 2010 - 10:52:24 »
"....What if I dwell on an image of the naked Eve too long?  Am I lusting?....."

Well, would you be? (lusting)

".....Am I going to hell for that?...." 

I don't know.

 

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« Reply #6 on: Tue Jan 19, 2010 - 10:58:19 »
Memphis memphis when will you ever learn....................

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« Reply #7 on: Tue Jan 19, 2010 - 11:02:37 »
Wait just a second.....

Are we supposed to read over these passages quickly-- not really getting too much of a mental picture? 

What if I dwell on an image of the naked Eve too long?  Am I lusting?  Am I going to hell for that? 

You guys are way off base and I suppose I could reopen the topic of the misapplied and twisted understanding of Matt 5:27-28 but would you listen and try to comprehend? 

Did you know that lesbianism is nowhere condemned by God? Even though women lying with an animal is?  And don't even think about bringing up Romans ch 1.  That has to do with women engaging in anal sex to avoid pregnancy and it has been proven. 


 Proven by whom?. Oh yes those who like lesbiansim I expect. Honestly memphis, do you really think that a pure and Holy God wants two women to engage in sex?Come on be real. Gods desire is for one man and one woman to have sex in marriage full stop.No mention of two women or two men. You have bought this up before so I guess that it is something that you are hoping is allowed for your own sake. It isnt.

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« Reply #8 on: Tue Jan 19, 2010 - 11:14:27 »
Or any of the other scenes in the bible such as the illustrations in the Song of Solomon regarding the genitals and the breasts?  If I were to have a painting done of these scenes, would you get mad?

Yes, because we all know what they look like and would also know you are showing the pictures just to get a reaction from folks.  I do recall reading in book by Cecil Hook about his noticing a drawing on a Sunday school chalkboard where a tallywacker was drawn in order to teach the kids what circumcision is.

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« Reply #9 on: Wed Jan 20, 2010 - 19:49:06 »
The question is this:  If you are wrong on some of this, are you willing to unlearn your error?  

Christ had some strong pronouncements regarding adding to or taking away from true doctrine.  That should make anyone claiming to be a christian take notice and beware of what they teach.  

First thing to know is that there are no new sexual ethics introduced into the new testament.  All morality in the new testament has its basis in the old testament.  

Another fact to keep in mind is that the "rules" regarding sexual behavior didn't originate within the false premise that sexual activity is inherently evil and can only be made acceptable within a Roman Catholic sanctioned marriage.  The truth of the matter is that there are other not-so-surprising reasons that the particular relations are regulated.  For example, if a girl is betrothed, she belongs to the man to whom she is betrothed.   If another man were to come along and sleep with her, then the transgression has its origin not in the false premise that sex is evil but rather that his rights to her were being violated.  

When God gave directives in the book of Leviticus regarding men lying with men, there was no corresponding condemnation of women lying with women.  In fact, there is no clear teaching ng against what we might call lesbianism in the whole bible.  

Here is a good article explaining what is meant in Romans 1:26-27.  It clearly shows that the women had stopped having procreative vaginal sex and instead engaged in anal sex.  

We always think SHAME ON YOU man if you like looking at women in skimpy clothing.  But guess what?  That is how man is made.   It is natural to like the shape of a woman.  Wide hips, ample breasts and color in the cheeks and lips means she is healthy and fertile.  And God has given the command to be fruitful and multiply and there is nothing wrong with that.  

And there is nothing wrong with a man having several women.   So Tiger Woods did nothing wrong.  

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« Reply #10 on: Wed Jan 20, 2010 - 21:10:49 »
I am still in shock about most of your comments. It seems to me you are just trying to evoke a reaction to your hideous notions. But the only reaction you are getting is negative. Is this making you laugh?

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« Reply #11 on: Wed Jan 20, 2010 - 21:39:31 »
I am still in shock about most of your comments. It seems to me you are just trying to evoke a reaction to your hideous notions. But the only reaction you are getting is negative. Is this making you laugh?

I don't think a laugh is what is motivating Memphis.

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« Reply #12 on: Wed Jan 20, 2010 - 22:41:39 »
I am still in shock about most of your comments. It seems to me you are just trying to evoke a reaction to your hideous notions. But the only reaction you are getting is negative. Is this making you laugh?

I don't think a laugh is what is motivating Memphis.


Proof that two brains are not better than one.     Or, is it the hot blonde chick with the exceptional visual below asking to meet christian singles?   (well, she was there a second ago - must have met someone)

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« Reply #13 on: Thu Jan 21, 2010 - 05:44:43 »
I am still in shock about most of your comments. It seems to me you are just trying to evoke a reaction to your hideous notions. But the only reaction you are getting is negative. Is this making you laugh?


 No I think memphis really believes these things sadly, after all he is looking for a second wife.
To say that Tiger Woods did nothing wrong by having sex with many women who he wasn't married to is clearly against the Bibles commands to be faithful.After all, he would have been stoned to death in the OT as would the women who thought nothing of sleeping with a married man.
 To say that looking at women with skimpy clothes is perfectly OK is also disobeying what God says about looking at women with lust in your heart. if you do that you are committing adultery Jesus says.  Memphis is always trying to justify his desires. If he thought they were OK he wouldn't need to come here to try to justify them.

Boy am I glad that I have a godly husband.
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« Reply #14 on: Thu Jan 21, 2010 - 05:45:40 »
I am still in shock about most of your comments. It seems to me you are just trying to evoke a reaction to your hideous notions. But the only reaction you are getting is negative. Is this making you laugh?

I don't think a laugh is what is motivating Memphis.


 Agree 100%. I think we ALL know what is motivating him.

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« Reply #15 on: Thu Jan 21, 2010 - 07:59:32 »
Ive skimmed, will read better, but let me ask this


Why have I seen no one engage his claims scripturally, and only one person engage him vaguely Biblically?

Rather its just Jon Stewartisms coming after him, or specious questions of his motive.

For the benefit of someone who may be impressionable, it may be good to come back with some real refutations here folks

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« Reply #16 on: Thu Jan 21, 2010 - 09:20:30 »
Bahblah dont we all know that the Bible says not to comitt adultery or lust after other women? If he wants the verses for that then I am happy to write them here.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu Jan 21, 2010 - 09:31:12 »
And there is nothing wrong with a man having several women.   So Tiger Woods did nothing wrong.  

Umm, it is called fornication... I believe that is in the bible.. Last time I looked...

Oh, and I think that God thought so little about it, that He said fornicators would not inherit the Kingdom...

9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,  10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Test yourself... 2 Cor 13:5
5Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you--unless indeed you fail the test?

Question you should ask yourself, What would Jesus do? Wouldn't Jesus have slept with women if it was ok for "men to have many women"? Or at least tell us it was ok? What about the apostles?

On the contrary, the Word calls it fornicating.. You have allowed yourself to be deceived ...  

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« Reply #18 on: Thu Jan 21, 2010 - 09:47:14 »
Ive skimmed, will read better, but let me ask this


Why have I seen no one engage his claims scripturally, and only one person engage him vaguely Biblically?

Rather its just Jon Stewartisms coming after him, or specious questions of his motive.

For the benefit of someone who may be impressionable, it may be good to come back with some real refutations here folks

From what I've seen, Memphis Dwight is a one trick pony and folks have already gone round and round with him about it many times before.  If you lived in Mayberry, how long would it take you to realize you can't have an intelligent conversation with Ernest T. Bass?

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« Reply #19 on: Thu Jan 21, 2010 - 09:55:15 »
Ive skimmed, will read better, but let me ask this


Why have I seen no one engage his claims scripturally, and only one person engage him vaguely Biblically?

Rather its just Jon Stewartisms coming after him, or specious questions of his motive.

For the benefit of someone who may be impressionable, it may be good to come back with some real refutations here folks

From what I've seen, Memphis Dwight is a one trick pony and folks have already gone round and round with him about it many times before.  If you lived in Mayberry, how long would it take you to realize you can't have an intelligent conversation with Ernest T. Bass?

Fair enough.....I lacked historical perspective

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Jan 22, 2010 - 20:06:51 »
The question is this:  If you are wrong on some of this, are you willing to unlearn your error?  

Christ had some strong pronouncements regarding adding to or taking away from true doctrine.  That should make anyone claiming to be a christian take notice and beware of what they teach.  

First thing to know is that there are no new sexual ethics introduced into the new testament.  All morality in the new testament has its basis in the old testament.  

Another fact to keep in mind is that the "rules" regarding sexual behavior didn't originate within the false premise that sexual activity is inherently evil and can only be made acceptable within a Roman Catholic sanctioned marriage.  The truth of the matter is that there are other not-so-surprising reasons that the particular relations are regulated.  For example, if a girl is betrothed, she belongs to the man to whom she is betrothed.   If another man were to come along and sleep with her, then the transgression has its origin not in the false premise that sex is evil but rather that his rights to her were being violated.  

When God gave directives in the book of Leviticus regarding men lying with men, there was no corresponding condemnation of women lying with women.  In fact, there is no clear teaching ng against what we might call lesbianism in the whole bible.  

Here is a good article explaining what is meant in Romans 1:26-27.  It clearly shows that the women had stopped having procreative vaginal sex and instead engaged in anal sex.  

We always think SHAME ON YOU man if you like looking at women in skimpy clothing.  But guess what?  That is how man is made.   It is natural to like the shape of a woman.  Wide hips, ample breasts and color in the cheeks and lips means she is healthy and fertile.  And God has given the command to be fruitful and multiply and there is nothing wrong with that.  

And there is nothing wrong with a man having several women.   So Tiger Woods did nothing wrong.  
Romans 1:27 says that the women being talked about were "burning in their lust one toward another"  Two women are incapable of having anal sex with their bodies, and there was only the mention of the wrong use of their bodies.

Further more, look at verse 29:  It tells about that same group mentioned in 26-28 as being filled with unrighteousnes, wickedness, fornication, coveteousness,  and more.  And there was no mention of man being held accountable, while women are free to just do as they wish.  No mention of man being allowed to just go ahead and sleep with who he wants, despite the VOWS made before a HOLY GOD.  In fact, the Word makes it clear that God is without partiality, that He is no respecter of persons.

How can a woman "marry" another woman (let alone, just have sex with her) and, at the same time, obey what God says about fornication?  How can she have sex with another woman, "in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by Him" (Colossians 3:23)?

Nothing wrong with "having" several women?  Do you really HAVE them, if you're only USING  them?  When Romans 5:33 commands each man to love his own wife as his own flesh, why was there no mention of other wives?  Why did God not command each man to leave his father and mother and cleave to his wives?  Why did He just mention that the TWO shall become one flesh?

Hebrews 13: 4--Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Leviticus 18:20--Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.

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Re: Questions about BEING PRUDE
« Reply #21 on: Fri Jan 22, 2010 - 21:44:18 »
Good post hotice. Anyone who thinks that God is OK with the things that MD advocates hasnt read the Bible properly. Two women having sex is just as bad as two men. A man having sex with a women who isnt his wife is adultery or fornication. Gods intention was always for a man and a women to marry and to be faithful to each other. He has never changed that.

Also MD why is it SOOO important for you to believe that is it
a) OK for two women to have sex?
and
b) to think that it is OK for a man to have sex with loads of women like Tiger Woods did.? 
and
c) Ok for men to look at other women who are not wearing much.???????

The godly thing for you to do is to look after and cherish and be faithul to the wife of your youth as the Bible tells us. Let HER satisfy you at ALL  times.

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« Reply #22 on: Fri Jan 22, 2010 - 23:45:51 »
 Where do these types come from ::help::