Sex and the Bible

[chosenone]

Sorry to mislead you. I was called Blondie as a youth so I thought it's a name I could use. Perhaps you would not have been so open in your talk if you knew I was a man. Too late now. You can't go back.

It's great to find people like you on here. You kick started my interest in the subject again. Deliverance not sex I mean. I was already interested in that. I am in a massive charismatic family of churches but nobody ever mentions Ellel Ministries and we are so close to Pierrepont.

I agree with everthing you say. Sometimes though I think people need to know the door they came through in order to repent and keep the door closed. If it's generational stuff though, obviously that would be different.

Are we supposed to be speaking about sex on this thread? In a way we are I suppose. A very important part in identifying the wrong kind of sex.  I will see how this thread develops with interest.

  No you didnt mislead me at all, no problem.
I dont know if sex is allowed to be discussed here, but I dont see why not and no one has taken it off yet..............

What church do you do to?. We were going to a vineyard church but stopped for various reasons that I wont go into here, and for the last 2 months have been going to a New Frontiers church. I have several friends who already go there and we do like it. The only thing that I disagree with them about is that they dont allow women to teach at church, but we get so much good teaching from other women that it doesnt really matter a lot.

[Blondie]

Sex is allowed to be discussed on this thread. That's what it is supposed to be about.

I go to Basingstoke Community church. Part of the Salt and Light Group. They do have women to teach or at least preach so it is good in that way. Women can teach. Look at Jill Southern or even Joyce Meyer. Some may get technical and say it's not teaching but whatever.

I've just been on the thread about oral sex as someone was saying it was in S of S.

To be honest I am not 100% clear about it not being right in marriage. I think if one preaches it you have to be absolutely certain. I haven't found the place where Bill Subritzski mentions the picture he had. I might e mail him about it although I have a feeling he was against OS even in marriage. Whether that was wrong the other way or not according to him I don't know. It doesn't affect my own marriage. I will try and find that place on the tape but I need a rest from it just now. Work and all that you know.

From memory I think it was a married woman who was being forced to do it. That might change things as being forced to do things sexually could bring in the demonic. Whether that would have happened if she wanted to do it willingly I don't know. One has to try and get it right. This goes to the whole world.

[Tantor]

Sex is allowed to be discussed on this thread. That's what it is supposed to be about.

I go to Basingstoke Community church. Part of the Salt and Light Group. They do have women to teach or at least preach so it is good in that way. Women can teach. Look at Jill Southern or even Joyce Meyer. Some may get technical and say it's not teaching but whatever.

I've just been on the thread about oral sex as someone was saying it was in S of S.

To be honest I am not 100% clear about it not being right in marriage. I think if one preaches it you have to be absolutely certain. I haven't found the place where Bill Subritzski mentions the picture he had. I might e mail him about it although I have a feeling he was against OS even in marriage. Whether that was wrong the other way or not according to him I don't know. It doesn't affect my own marriage. I will try and find that place on the tape but I need a rest from it just now. Work and all that you know.

From memory I think it was a married woman who was being forced to do it. That might change things as being forced to do things sexually could bring in the demonic. Whether that would have happened if she wanted to do it willingly I don't know. One has to try and get it right. This goes to the whole world.

As part of the dating process, I think a frank discussion of sex is very important.  When I had to go through the pre-marital counseling with my first marriage, we went to 3-4 sessions that was all about sex, and I found it quite uncomfortable.  But when I look back at it, I wish it had been even more in detail.

[Bocephus]

Folks, let's keep this on topic please.

[Blondie]

What do you mean by that Gary? Sex is a big subject affecting every area of our lives and there are also things affecting sex which may not seem relevant on the surface. It looks on topic top me.

I think you are right on the frankness Tantor. Sometimes it is needed. When it is done to make a clear point it is good. When done just to tittilate then the points are missed.

[Blondie]

Chosenone I haven't got to the place regarding os yet but have come across another instance where various women had come for things including healing and by vision and revelation the problem was pointed to os. I would imagine they were married if they were coming for prayer.

[Blondie]

I am afraid to talk about anything now Gary. I feel you are there waiting to pounce if you think things are not on topic or something or if you have theological differences.

Sex is a massive subject. The drive is very powerful within us all. That is why we can get into trouble with it.

I thought the threads on it were very relevant. Just because we got into the spiritual realm  does not make it off topic. Sex is spiritual as well as physical. That why the word of God goes out of the way to regulate it and why the penalty was so hard against adultery under the law etc.

I think you have inadvertantly killed both the threads on sex which is a pity as these things need to be discussed in a christian way.

I suppose there are plenty of other sites to do this on but it is a pity as I thought this was a good site.

[fanuvmxpx]

I think the problems come in when some are stumbled by topics and others can hold a full on conversation without flinching...simply because its a natural part of life.

For those of us who are comfortable, we still need to remember that some aren't...and we do not want them to stumble.

[Blondie]

You could have a point there FV. One has to be sensitive to others. Even Jesus said to his disciples "I have many things to say to you but you cannot receive them now".

Some things need to be said others you have to hold back on I think. Love is the rule.

[chosenone]

yes I also agree. Things to do with sex can be said in a sensible down to earth way without it being crude, rude or offensive as is occasionally happening lately on this forum. 

[Blondie]

I think there was a lack of confidence near the start of this thread that sex could even be discussed because of bad experiences. It is a difficult subject to discuss but I don't think it needs to be.

To add to what Chosenone has said about being crude, rude or offensive one has also to watch tittilation where one completely loses the points because someone is on the thread for the wrong reason. One can usually spot those types and ignore them. Same as being rude I suppose.

Personally I think sex is ultra important. Within marriage it is a celebration of God's gift but outside that context it can be a perversion of God's gift.

I know a leader who always prays over a meeting where sex is discussed in mixed company as he is aware of the dangers. Being able to discuss it anonymously in these days is still quite a new thing. I know that it is being abused tremendously but if the facility is now here cannot it be used for good?

[fanuvmxpx]

I think there was a lack of confidence near the start of this thread that sex could even be discussed because of bad experiences. It is a difficult subject to discuss but I don't think it needs to be.

Sex is very hush-hush within the Body. Which is morally wrong in my opinion...because if we do not talk/teach about it...the world gets the opportunity to define it.

I learned everything about sex from the world (friends). My parents taught me nothing...and my church taught me that it was disgusting/bad/and you'd catch an STD. Things have got to change in Christ's body.

[Blondie]

We are all adults and we know what is appropriate and what is not

No, we don't. That's the problem you stated earlier. Talking about sex degenerates quickly no matter who is talking, you said.

We are so influenced by Victorianism that the Baby Boomers backlashed with the "free love" that is anything but free. We desparately NEED to talk about sex. We especially need to be talking to our children and youth about sex. Because they're hearing about it from every media outlet available. And not the good, or right stuff either!

Sorry. This is one of my soapboxes!

These are very good points at the start of the thread and underline some of the things I was trying to say.

[Blondie]

Sex is very hush-hush within the Body. Which is morally wrong in my opinion...because if we do not talk/teach about it...the world gets the opportunity to define it.

I learned everything about sex from the world (friends). My parents taught me nothing...and my church taught me that it was disgusting/bad/and you'd catch an STD. Things have got to change in Christ's body.
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Good point Fvx.

[rppearso]

Yep, as long as the chruch continues to behave this way the world will continue being able to define it.  That is why there is no substitution for reading the bible yourself and being very selective with who you associate yourself with.  The gift of wisdom has pulled me out of alot of crappy situations, people giving stupid advice or making stupid assertions etc.

Sex is very hush-hush within the Body. Which is morally wrong in my opinion...because if we do not talk/teach about it...the world gets the opportunity to define it.

I learned everything about sex from the world (friends). My parents taught me nothing...and my church taught me that it was disgusting/bad/and you'd catch an STD. Things have got to change in Christ's body.

Good point Fvx.
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