What if someone gets married for their green card?

[Fem2009]

Then your step brother should know how difficult (if not impossible) it is to get it the other ways. I know many immigrants.

It really isn't that hard. And it certainly isn't impossible. Now, if a person coming here has no education, no means to hold a job and will live off of the system, or is a criminal then yes, it can be a little more difficult. If not impossible.

There are reasons to doing it the right way though. The system is designed to assist people doing it the right way. Yes, it make time... But, in the end, it pays off..

People enter this country legally everyday. People who want to become a citizen will find a way... But if you chose to do it the wrong way, your chances are completely 0% if you are caught trying to defraud the country in some way.

My advice to anyone in this position would be to seek help from their embassy. Apply for a work visa... Then once here, go for the green card. But, like I said, if they are a criminal or become one doing it illegally, they can forget about it.

On a personal note... I am all for people coming here the right way. Let them all come. But do it legally. Because I do not agree with them breaking the law to get here does not make me hateful or a racist. This is my country. I love it. I want them to love it too. But when they do it illegally, it defrauds every one of us who are citizens.. And worse, they really do an injustice to the ones who came here the right way.

We have enough criminals in this country. Anyone trying to come here legally can and will make it as long as they are not criminals. Eventually.

I wouldn't consider it cheating. They are going up against a man made institution.

You wouldn't consider what cheating?

People enter this country legally everyday. People who want to become a citizen will find a way... But if you chose to do it the wrong way, your chances are completely 0% if you are caught trying to defraud the country in some way.

And how do those people enter legally?
I listed the only ways I've ever known of. Though I did leave out through a relative. That's a good, acceptable way. But how does that initial relative go about obtaining their permanent residency?

  I think it's safe to say many are unaware of how many immigrants obtain their green cards through marriage-they don't run around shouting it out-they can't share this with ANYONE. Hmmm that just made me wonder if that affects our divorce rate. Being that so many flock to this country.

Sometimes, even as Christians, it's not easy to relate. This country does not make it as simple as you stated to get residency. Atleast, I haven't seen any simple cases (and I've seen alot of cases). There are few ways-that I listed in my other post. I'm wondering what facts you have that can tell me of any other "acceptable" ways someone can go about getting residency here. Many choose to get a visitors visa and overstay-therefore, becoming illegal immigrants, which I think is a worse burden on US Citizens. Not that I am agreeing with marrying for a green card. Don't mistake me. It's understandable that a US born and raised citizen would have trouble relating to the struggle of immigrants. Yet, I've seen many examples where a close bond is built and friends help eachother because they understand there is no other alternative for their friend who wants to do the right thing and work on the books-pay their taxes etc.

If you can list the facts about obtaining residency in other ways than marrying someone, getting sponsored, winning by lottery in your country, visiting and not returning, having a immediate family member sponsor you, being a millionaire investor/business owner..that would be great, thanks.

[Mac]

Sometimes, even as Christians, it's not easy to relate.

I am not really sure what you mean here. I definitely feel for the immigrants. If you mean that as a Christian, I can't relate because we shouldn't lie, cheat, steal, etc... well then, I guess I can't.

Take the story of Corey ten Boom. Who hid all the Jews during WW2. It has often been assumed (wrongly) that they "lied" to protect the Jews. But, if you read the story, they never had to. I guess they believed, as I do, that if it was God's will for them to go undetected, so be it. But if they would have been discovered, would they had lied? According to the family, no. They would rely on God for the outcome. And God was surely on their side. They went undetected.

What does this have to do with this subject? For me, if it requires you bearing false witness (lying), it is wrong. So, if I understand you correctly, I can relate. But I do not approve of it. It shows little faith in God to lie your way into something.

If you can list the facts about obtaining residency in other ways than marrying someone, getting sponsored, winning by lottery in your country, visiting and not returning, having a immediate family member sponsor you, being a millionaire investor/business owner..that would be great, thanks.

One of the ways is to get a work visa. Renew it before it expires. A work visa can be obtained through the embassy of the representing country and/or the U.S. embassy.

The other of course is to just apply. Put it in the hands of the Lord.

[Fem2009]

Sometimes, even as Christians, it's not easy to relate.

I am not really sure what you mean here. I definitely feel for the immigrants. If you mean that as a Christian, I can't relate because we shouldn't lie, cheat, steal, etc... well then, I guess I can't.

Take the story of Corey ten Boom. Who hid all the Jews during WW2. It has often been assumed (wrongly) that they "lied" to protect the Jews. But, if you read the story, they never had to. I guess they believed, as I do, that if it was God's will for them to go undetected, so be it. But if they would have been discovered, would they had lied? According to the family, no. They would rely on God for the outcome. And God was surely on their side. They went undetected.

What does this have to do with this subject? For me, if it requires you bearing false witness (lying), it is wrong. So, if I understand you correctly, I can relate. But I do not approve of it. It shows little faith in God to lie your way into something.

If you can list the facts about obtaining residency in other ways than marrying someone, getting sponsored, winning by lottery in your country, visiting and not returning, having a immediate family member sponsor you, being a millionaire investor/business owner..that would be great, thanks.

One of the ways is to get a work visa. Renew it before it expires. A work visa can be obtained through the embassy of the representing country and/or the U.S. embassy.

The other of course is to just apply. Put it in the hands of the Lord.

This all makes alot of sense. Putting it in the hands of our Lord & Savior.
 It's frustrating to see how many people want to live in this country and the extent to which they go to get in.

God Bless

[Mac]

This all makes alot of sense. Putting it in the hands of our Lord & Savior.
 It's frustrating to see how many people want to live in this country and the extent to which they're willing to get in.
God Bless

I agree with you. It is horrible. But the reason a lot of sympathy has gone away is how the immigration issue has played out. With the high profile things with some of the Mexican-hispanic immigration issues. Such as flying the Mexican flag above the U.S. flag... Illegal immigrants marching for rights, etc... People do not like this type of behavior. Some of the biggest opponents I have heard from is "Legal" or resident aliens. They did it the right way and are quite frankly are offended by the way it has been handled. When you start seeing that billions of dollars a year is being eaten up by illegal immigrants, jails full of illegal immigrants, hospitals being closed down due to money losses because they must treat illegal immigrants, it all adds up to a bitter pill to swallow. Our government needs to do a better job of helping the ones who want to be here and do it the right way. But they also need to do a better job of enforcing the laws we have.. We are being over run by the system. People aren't necessarily the problem.

When you leave the average American with the feeling that they can't stop the problems, resentment grows.

Until that changes, the American people will be the biggest hurdle to cross. They (we) are growing more and more weary.

I have no problem at all with a person coming here and assimilating to our country. But to move here and expect to turn this country into their home country is ridiculous. If they like it so much, stay there. They show no interest in learning the language. Our schools are now starting to be FORCED to provided Spanish speaking teachers and classes. It is really out of control.

Here is a quote from Teddy Roosevelt about immigration he made in the early 1900's..

Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

[Fem2009]

This all makes alot of sense. Putting it in the hands of our Lord & Savior.
 It's frustrating to see how many people want to live in this country and the extent to which they're willing to get in.
God Bless

I agree with you. It is horrible. But the reason a lot of sympathy has gone away is how the immigration issue has played out. With the high profile things with some of the Mexican-hispanic immigration issues. Such as flying the Mexican flag above the U.S. flag... Illegal immigrants marching for rights, etc... People do not like this type of behavior. Some of the biggest opponents I have heard from is "Legal" or resident aliens. They did it the right way and are quite frankly are offended by the way it has been handled. When you start seeing that billions of dollars a year is being eaten up by illegal immigrants, jails full of illegal immigrants, hospitals being closed down due to money losses because they must treat illegal immigrants, it all adds up to a bitter pill to swallow. Our government needs to do a better job of helping the ones who want to be here and do it the right way. But they also need to do a better job of enforcing the laws we have.. We are being over run by the system. People aren't necessarily the problem.

When you leave the average American with the feeling that they can't stop the problems, resentment grows.

Until that changes, the American people will be the biggest hurdle to cross. They (we) are growing more and more weary.

I have no problem at all with a person coming here and assimilating to our country. But to move here and expect to turn this country into their home country is ridiculous. If they like it so much, stay there. They show no interest in learning the language. Our schools are now starting to be FORCED to provided Spanish speaking teachers and classes. It is really out of control.

Here is a quote from Teddy Roosevelt about immigration he made in the early 1900's..

Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Yeah, trying getting a job in SoFL without speaking spanish...
I'm sure there are careers that don't require it. But few and far between here. Some areas I don't venture to bc it feels as though I'm in another country. None of the workers at walgreens spoke english. It would have worked out if I didn't need to speak with someone.

Thank goodness the citizenship exam has an english efficiency test...

[Mac]

Yeah, trying getting a job in SoFL without speaking spanish...
I'm sure there are careers that don't require it. But few and far between here. Some areas I don't venture to bc it feels as though I'm in another country. None of the workers at walgreens spoke english. It would have worked out if I didn't need to speak with someone.

Thank goodness the citizenship exam has an english efficiency test...

That is what is aggravating for most. The Cuban immigrants have been allowed to take over South Florida. And your right, it is like another country. But nothing has or will be done to it. The same thing is happening in the border states with Mexico. All the officials in these states need to do is look at what has happened in South Florida.

As far as the English proficiency part of the citizenship test, it really hasn't helped much. It appears that most haven't taken it (the test) or have chosen to speak their native language in this country.