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Wife does not create allure
« on: Fri Mar 09, 2018 - 18:50:34 »
..the quality of being powerfully and mysteriously attractive or fascinating.  synonyms:  attraction, lure, draw, pull, appeal, allurement, enticement, temptation, charm, seduction, fascination.

I've been married 13 years.  My biggest struggle has been allure.  I need this.  My wife does not help create it.  She does not dress in a way that is attractive to me.  Rarely has make up on.  Is not girly, or frilly or overtly feminine.  And just being frank, keeps gaining weight.  We are not intimate very often because of it.  I have tried to talk in the past and it just creates hurt.  I have not talked about it for several years and have given up.  Today at work, there is a co-worker, who dresses, looks and carries herself exactly like I wish my wife would.  I looked at her all day.

Also, my wife CAN create the allure I need.  Has is the past.  She can do it.  Just won't.

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« Reply #1 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 00:27:48 »
Firstly, why does you wife need to wear make up? I never do and my husband isn't bothered. Presumably she never was the girly frilly type? Many women aren't She is who she is. She knows that you don't find her attractive and that's so hurtful.
Secondly, as a Christian man WHY are you staring at other women in that way? It's bound to make you discontent and you are playing with fire. Stop looking and staring and ogling the other woman and stop thinking and fantasising about her.
Thirdly, get some good marriage counselling.
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« Reply #2 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 04:42:32 »
I've been married 13 years.  My biggest struggle has been allure.  I need this. 
Then WHY wait until now? That should have been known in this first few months of your marriage.
Quote from: alleng Yesterday at 18:50:34
My wife does not help create it.
So? That's your opinion, and it very well could be a self-centered desire, without helping and encouraging her. ALL men, for the most part, get out of their wives by what WE put into THEM. How much energy have you truly invested into molding her to be what you desire in a woman~MOST ALL women are what their husband invest in them, they generally respond to ATTENTION, love and doting on them, that's just the way God created things, NOT the other way around.
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She does not dress in a way that is attractive to me.
Take her shopping and you buy her what you like, encourage her to like what you like~MOST women will respond, if she does not, then work harder at it.
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Rarely has make up on.  Is not girly, or frilly or overtly feminine.
So what? Some women do not need to use make up, I prefer it on my wife, BUT, it's not necessary~I know Sarah did not put on make up for Abraham, yet as long as they adored themselves INWARDLY that should be more important to you and if it is not, then you have the problem, not miss Sarah.
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And just being frank, keeps gaining weight
Well now, that can be easily corrected, and she just may need your help. My wife and I help each other, and neither of (well me mainly) is what we were fifty years ago, even if we maintain our weight the tone of our body changes over the years, yet that should not and will not affect our love for each other, or our desire toward each other. That's just life. Wandering eyes will make your wife's body look less attractive very quickly.
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I have tried to talk in the past and it just creates hurt.  I have not talked about it for several years and have given up.
Well now, I'm getting the picture a little better now. You gave up way TOO SOON, since as you said you only been married thirteen years. Many only begin to create a marriage that will last with longevity, long good marriages take work and the first ten years or so are the most critical in forming a fifty-year marriage, which my has lasted longer, so I know a little what it takes to make such a marriage last will a little fire!  Get those first fifteen years worked out by LEARNING HOW TO LOVE OTHERS MORE THAN YOURSELF, will secure a lasting marriage and keep the fire burning as long as you have the energy to fuel that fire!
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Today at work, there is a co-worker, who dresses, looks and carries herself exactly like I wish my wife would.  I looked at her all day.
If you are a professed child of God STOP IT NOW. Even if you are not, then you are going down the road that many fools have wandered down only to pay a dear price. Oh, FRESH FLESH always is tempting always, especially to fools. Read Proverbs a few times and see. Your wife will NEVER look as good as long as you allow yourself to even glance at other women, never. I assure you one thing~those women who are not your wife will NEVER serve and please you as your wife can if you ONLY invest in her. Marriage is for life, divorce is a VERY SMALL WINDOW with only ONE EXCEPTION and you have not mentioned that here.
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Also, my wife CAN create the allure I need.  Has is the past.  She can do it.  Just won't.
You have not said one word that has convinced me that you want her to, It seems that you want someone to open the door for you to fulfill your sexual fantasy without you investing into it very much with your own wife. Most women can wear a man out in bed IF they only INVEST in them what they crave from men...ATTENTION and KNOWING that their man wants them and them alone! I am speaking from much experience. I did NOT know these things in my first fifteen years of marriage~it took TIME and work.
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Thirdly, get some good marriage counselling.
Sister, I just gave it to him FREE of charge with over fifty years of doing these things. You cannot beat that.
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Re: Wife does not create allure
« Reply #3 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 05:17:59 »
alleng, You [and perhaps your wife] need professional help, not advice from a forum. 

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« Reply #4 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 06:21:43 »
alleng, You [and perhaps your wife] need professional help, not advice from a forum.
Professioanl help is never based upon scriptures. God has given many scriptures concerning marriage, and TRUE wisdom comes from heaven, not from men, or women who think they are wiser than God's word. Apart from God's word, and each spouse adhering to the wisdom contained therein, one's marriage will always be falling short of what it could be if one would follow the examples in the word of God and commandments that each spouse has toward each other. The holy scriptures are the MAIN reason that I have had a successful marriage~if left to my own wisdom, my marriage would have never turned out as it has, and my wife would say the same.
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« Reply #5 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 06:49:46 »
Professioanl help is never based upon scriptures. God has given many scriptures concerning marriage, and TRUE wisdom comes from heaven, not from men, or women who think they are wiser than God's word. Apart from God's word, and each spouse adhering to the wisdom contained therein, one's marriage will always be falling short of what it could be if one would follow the examples in the word of God and commandments that each spouse has toward each other. The holy scriptures are the MAIN reason that I have had a successful marriage~if left to my own wisdom, my marriage would have never turned out as it has, and my wife would say the same.
I repeat, alleng needs professional help, not help from a forum. I understand where you are coming from RB. But his problems are not and probably were not your problems.  The Bible indeed presents many scriptures concerning marriage, but I seriously doubt that the specifics that are troubling alleng's marriage are dealt with in any detail.  It is much the same as physical illness or condition.  Although I am not saying that alleng's problems amount to an illness, it the problem between alleng and his wife is definitely a mental one.  Detailed treatment for physical ailments and conditions are not dealt with in the scriptures nor are mental ailments and conditions. He and his wife need professional help every bit as much as one suffering from a heart attack needs professional help.

It is not as if either alleng or his wife is being sinful, but both need to understand the sexuality of the human being.  That unfortunately is sadly lacking in much of today's society.  And by the way, that sexuality is of God's creation.  The sexual desires and drives, which are different in the sexes, are most definitely of God's creation.
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« Reply #6 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 08:32:58 »
Might it be you are looking for an excuse for being attracted to a co-worker? Maybe your wife would look better if you started to show more interest in her? I believe in most cases, a woman knows how she looks, and if you start telling her how pretty or attractive she looks, she'll like it and start paying more attention to how she looks. I know she'll at least appreciate it if you show more attention to her. Just a thought. Don't criticize her.
 Sounds like you may be trying to blame your wife for your own misplaced attentions. Be careful, for those attentions can easily turn to intentions. It's not all about you.
 This may sound blunt, but, if that's the case, you need to get a handle on it before you ruin somone else's life, as well as your own. Been there, done that. And you don't get a t-shirt. It's serious business. I'm pulling for you both.
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« Reply #7 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 09:20:19 »
I prefer it on my wife, BUT, it not necessary

+1 for the honest answer, RB. So many men will claim to prefer women who wear no makeup to women who do. I never bought that. Evidently, women aren't buying it, either, so they started doing their own research/experiments to find out the truth. To make a long story short, most men are attracted to women who wear a moderate amount of makeup. They are least attracted to both a scrubbed clean face and a face with very heavy makeup. But for whatever reason, most men will claim to prefer a no makeup face even though they're actually attracted to women wearing a moderate amount of makeup.








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Re: Wife does not create allure
« Reply #8 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 09:40:02 »
Firstly, why does you wife need to wear make up? I never do and my husband isn't bothered.
Girl, you may want to reword that.  ::whistle::

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« Reply #9 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 10:20:32 »
..the quality of being powerfully and mysteriously attractive or fascinating.  synonyms:  attraction, lure, draw, pull, appeal, allurement, enticement, temptation, charm, seduction, fascination.

I've been married 13 years.  My biggest struggle has been allure.  I need this.  My wife does not help create it.  She does not dress in a way that is attractive to me.  Rarely has make up on.  Is not girly, or frilly or overtly feminine.  And just being frank, keeps gaining weight.  We are not intimate very often because of it.  I have tried to talk in the past and it just creates hurt.  I have not talked about it for several years and have given up.  Today at work, there is a co-worker, who dresses, looks and carries herself exactly like I wish my wife would.  I looked at her all day.

Also, my wife CAN create the allure I need.  Has is the past.  She can do it.  Just won't.

This makes me really really sad.

Really.

And, I am thankful for my dh who is constantly telling me kind things about my heart and my appearance, though I do not see myself like he does.

All I see are my physical flaws...I can't imagine if my dh did the same thing.

I *try* to lose weight and stall at five pounds and then my body actually *fights* my efforts and the five lbs are right back on with an extra friend for good measure.  I've been sorely tempted to just give up, but I will not...and I have great compassion for those that do. 

I wonder what she feels from her side of your marriage.  ::pondering::  I wonder how you fall short in her eyes.

At any rate...how have you tried to encourage her?  Do you just act disgusted or do you say things like "your hair is so shiny and pretty! I love it when you brush and style it!" Or "Wow! You've got amazing eyes! I love sitting across from you and being able to gaze into them."  I can almost guarantee you, that if you'd compliment her in specific ways, she'd start wanting to 'dress it up' a bit, because it feels good to be appreciated.

Also...that woman you are staring at all day? She's not your woman. Stop it. Its gross.

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« Reply #10 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 10:23:27 »
Also...that woman you are staring at all day? She's not your woman. Stop it. Its gross.

It's not at all gross.  It's normal.

And it's wrong.  He's hurting himself and his wife by doing so.

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« Reply #11 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 10:26:06 »
It's not at all gross.  It's normal.

what he describes is gross.  It feels gross to have it done to you. 


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« Reply #12 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 10:53:31 »
Strictly my opinion, and I'm not a man, so I may be off-

Of course looks are important, especially to men, but....

Have you ever seen a couple who look mismatched in appearances/looks? He may be average to handsome, however, she's no natural beauty (to put it kindly). Even so, there appears to be a strong bond, noticeable sexual tension/attraction, and a remarkable closeness and chemistry - in spite of her homeliness? That's because the woman more than makes up for her plain jane countenance in other ways that stirs these fiery emotions in her man.
They say that when a wife discovers her husband is having an affair, she's often surprised that the other woman is not some hot looking fashion model type at all. He most likely didn't cheat because she rated a 10 in looks, but he did most likely cheat because she made him feel he was a 10.




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« Reply #13 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 10:55:03 »
what he describes is gross.  It feels gross to have it done to you.

No.  You are wrong.  It isn't gross.  He is acting like a normal man.  His current behavior is towards the wrong woman.   It is temptation mixed with natural instinct.  You are expecting his base instincts and temptations to align with how you view the world as a woman, and that isn't how men or the world works.

Now, he is absolutely wrong.  He isn't following God's Word on how to properly channel his sexual drive.  That is reserved for his wife.

And by doing so, he is hurting himself, causing himself unnecessary pain and aggravation.  He is hurting his wife because I am sure she can pick up on his lack of attention, or his irritation.

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« Reply #14 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 11:00:46 »
No.  You are wrong.  It isn't gross.

Maybe not to your side of the issue, but from the other side...its gross.

Just because its "normal", does not mean its not gross and needs to be tempered.  A glance or two is one thing, oogling and staring all day is another.   
 


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« Reply #15 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 11:09:32 »
Maybe not to your side of the issue, but from the other side...its gross.

Just because its "normal", does not mean its not gross and needs to be tempered.  A glance or two is one thing, oogling and staring all day is another.

If he was unmarried, and the coworker receptive, would you call it gross?


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« Reply #16 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 11:15:48 »
If he was unmarried, and the coworker receptive, would you call it gross?

oogling is gross. Sorry. It just is. From the other side of it, its disrespectful and demeaning, but I refuse to justify my use of the word "gross" any longer.
 

 

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« Reply #17 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 11:20:01 »
oogling is gross. Sorry. It just is. From the other side of it, its disrespectful and demeaning, but I refuse to justify my use of the word "gross" any longer.

It just seems to me like you are *judging* men and expecting them to behave like women.

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« Reply #18 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 11:30:22 »
It just seems to me like you are *judging* men and expecting them to behave like women.
That is much of what is wrong with the current "feminist movement".  Too many women refuse to understand that the libidos of men and women respond differently and to different stimuli.  Male libidos are extremely sensitive to the visual, both real and imagined.  That is fact and that is the way God made it.  Women instinctively understand that but more often than not do not want to admit it.
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« Reply #19 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 12:07:56 »
It just seems to me like you are *judging* men and expecting them to behave like women.
 

Godly men don't ogle. The OP has admitted that he spends a lot of time doing that. Jesus was pretty clear on what that is called, and that is adultery.
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« Reply #20 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 12:09:32 »
That is much of what is wrong with the current "feminist movement".  Too many women refuse to understand that the libidos of men and women respond differently and to different stimuli.  Male libidos are extremely sensitive to the visual, both real and imagined.  That is fact and that is the way God made it.  Women instinctively understand that but more often than not do not want to admit it.
 


God gives self control and tells us that ogling other women is wrong. Its up to you if you obey that or not. 

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« Reply #21 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 12:11:40 »
Strictly my opinion, and I'm not a man, so I may be off-

Of course looks are important, especially to men, but....

Have you ever seen a couple who look mismatched in appearances/looks? He may be average to handsome, however, she's no natural beauty (to put it kindly). Even so, there appears to be a strong bond, noticeable sexual tension/attraction, and a remarkable closeness and chemistry - in spite of her homeliness? That's because the woman more than makes up for her plain jane countenance in other ways that stirs these fiery emotions in her man.
They say that when a wife discovers her husband is having an affair, she's often surprised that the other woman is not some hot looking fashion model type at all. He most likely didn't cheat because she rated a 10 in looks, but he did most likely cheat because she made him feel he was a 10.

Absolutely. I love it when I see good looking men with overweight or plain women. I have seen that quite a few times and I think, good for you both.

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« Reply #22 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 12:12:20 »
 

Godly men don't ogle. The OP has admitted that he spends a lot of time doing that. Jesus was pretty clear on what that is called, and that is adultery.
Where the mind goes the man follows.

Do you even read posts before commenting? I don't believe such behavior is grounds for divorce, but I said it was wrong on more than one post.   

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« Reply #23 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 12:12:55 »
 


God gives self control and tells us that ogling other women is wrong. Its up to you if you obey that or not.

No one said we should not have self control.  You are failing with reading comprehension in this thread.

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« Reply #24 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 12:15:45 »
I repeat, alleng needs professional help, not help from a forum. I understand where you are coming from RB. But his problems are not and probably were not your problems.  The Bible indeed presents many scriptures concerning marriage, but I seriously doubt that the specifics that are troubling alleng's marriage are dealt with in any detail.  It is much the same as physical illness or condition.  Although I am not saying that alleng's problems amount to an illness, it the problem between alleng and his wife is definitely a mental one.  Detailed treatment for physical ailments and conditions are not dealt with in the scriptures nor are mental ailments and conditions. He and his wife need professional help every bit as much as one suffering from a heart attack needs professional help.

It is not as if either alleng or his wife is being sinful, but both need to understand the sexuality of the human being.  That unfortunately is sadly lacking in much of today's society.  And by the way, that sexuality is of God's creation.  The sexual desires and drives, which are different in the sexes, are most definitely of God's creation.
 

Of course he is sinning. His eyes and thoughts are on a woman he isn't married to. His eyes and thoughts should be for his wife. He seems to be doing nothing to stop his ogling, but just doing it all day.

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« Reply #25 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 12:21:15 »
+1 for the honest answer, RB. So many men will claim to prefer women who wear no makeup to women who do. I never bought that. Evidently, women aren't buying it, either, so they started doing their own research/experiments to find out the truth. To make a long story short, most men are attracted to women who wear a moderate amount of makeup. They are least attracted to both a scrubbed clean face and a face with very heavy makeup. But for whatever reason, most men will claim to prefer a no makeup face even though they're actually attracted to women wearing a moderate amount of makeup.

Every man is different but I know many men who prefer the woman to be their natural selves, including my husband. I would wear it if he asked, even though I don't want to and think its very bad for my skin and body to put chemicals on my face every day, but he really isn't bothered that I don't.
My brothers are the same, as are our 3 sons.

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« Reply #26 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 12:46:16 »
Every man is different but I know many men who prefer the woman to be their natural selves, including my husband. I would wear it if he asked, even though I don't want to and think its very bad for my skin and body to put chemicals on my face every day, but he really isn't bothered that I don't.
My brothers are the same, as are our 3 sons.

Do you shave your legs?  Pluck out any stray dark facial hairs, shave your pits?  Those things are part of being your natural self.

Do you 100% know what is in the minds of your brothers, your husband, your sons?

I would bet money that you do not.


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« Reply #27 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 13:15:27 »
It just seems to me like you are *judging* men and expecting them to behave like women.

Nope. Not judging *men*.  Judging a gross behavior.  Not expecting them to behave like women, but above what may be a baser instinct.  We all should do that.

Just saw a man flip out and throw a fit in walmart. He scared the crap out of a little guy.  Baser instinct. Gross.

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« Reply #28 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 13:16:56 »
Do you shave your legs?  Pluck out any stray dark facial hairs, shave your pits?  Those things are part of being your natural self.



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Re: Wife does not create allure
« Reply #29 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 13:18:40 »
That is much of what is wrong with the current "feminist movement".  Too many women refuse to understand that the libidos of men and women respond differently and to different stimuli.  Male libidos are extremely sensitive to the visual, both real and imagined.  That is fact and that is the way God made it.  Women instinctively understand that but more often than not do not want to admit it.

I admit it.  I said a glace, noticing and whatnot are not the issue that I called gross. OOGLING is a different thing. It is gross.  To females it is disrespectful, and degrading.

At any rate, just had a lively conversation about this as a mixed gender family.  Unanimously we concluded that:
Noticing= normal.  Looking twice even normal...oogling, staring, being creepy= gross. 

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Re: Wife does not create allure
« Reply #30 on: Sat Mar 10, 2018 - 16:35:38 »
I admit it.  I said a glace, noticing and whatnot are not the issue that I called gross. OOGLING is a different thing. It is gross.  To females it is disrespectful, and degrading.

At any rate, just had a lively conversation about this as a mixed gender family.  Unanimously we concluded that:
Noticing= normal.  Looking twice even normal...oogling, staring, being creepy= gross.

Yep, we feel the same. None of us can help noticing others, but we can help what we do then. We can look away or we can keep on and on looking as the OP is doing ALL day probably every working day.

Its makes a wife feel very loved, cherished and respected to have a husband who chooses to look away and not ogle or stare at other women.

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Re: Wife does not create allure
« Reply #31 on: Sun Mar 11, 2018 - 06:33:36 »
That is much of what is wrong with the current "feminist movement".  Too many women refuse to understand that the libidos of men and women respond differently and to different stimuli.  Male libidos are extremely sensitive to the visual, both real and imagined.  That is fact and that is the way God made it.  Women instinctively understand that but more often than not do not want to admit it
Most older and wise women know this very well. The young women have NO IDEAL the way young men think, (and older) not the slightest understanding. The difference between the righteous and unrighteous is that we work HARD to not to look and lust, but it is a work that just does not come WITHOUT a warfare with our flesh, EVEN IF you have a wonderful relationship with your wife, acutally that might make it even harder, for a man KNOWS the pleasure that a woman can give him.
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Male libidos are extremely sensitive to the visual, both real and imagined.
TOTALLY, 100%. Women a little, but so much more by doting on them and telling them that she makes those bluejeans more beautiful than cowboys have done in two hundred years! And that's what they WANT to hear. I can say to my wife, honey, how much did that cost, do you not have enough pretty things....she would come back and say do you like what you see?
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Re: Wife does not create allure
« Reply #32 on: Sat Mar 17, 2018 - 02:20:41 »
OOGLING is a different thing. It is gross.  To females it is disrespectful, and degrading.
In my experience, that depends largely on how attractive the woman finds the man.  OOGLING can be quite flattering.  ::tippinghat::

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Re: Wife does not create allure
« Reply #33 on: Sat Mar 17, 2018 - 10:06:20 »
In my experience, that depends largely on how attractive the woman finds the man.  OOGLING can be quite flattering.  ::tippinghat::

haha!  If you mean that the man would like the woman who finds him attractive to oogle him, the genders really do see things so very differently, don't we? Proof, if you ask me, that God has a wicked sense of humor. ::noworries::


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Re: Wife does not create allure
« Reply #34 on: Sun Mar 18, 2018 - 16:04:40 »
In my experience, that depends largely on how attractive the woman finds the man.  OOGLING can be quite flattering.  ::tippinghat::


 Neither of us ogles anyone else. Its not respectful or kind.