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You cannot remarry...
« on: Fri Jan 25, 2019 - 11:42:55 »
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You are not able to remarry
(Unless your spouse has died)


Matt 5:32
 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery


Matt 19: 8-9
 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”


Is this your second marriage ...or more?
You're in an adulterous marriage !

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Re: You cannot remarry...
« Reply #1 on: Fri Jan 25, 2019 - 14:41:14 »
Matthew 5:32~But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.  Matthew 19:4-9~And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
I added more scripures~WHY did you say
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Is this your second marriage ...or more? You're in an adulterous marriage !
And THEN quoted scriptures that has an exception clause in them? Let us debate this subject for the benefit of those who might truly care. Billy, show me that you are not a goat. RB
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Re: You cannot remarry...
« Reply #2 on: Fri Jan 25, 2019 - 17:09:05 »
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You are not able to remarry
(Unless your spouse has died)


Matt 5:32
 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery


Matt 19: 8-9
 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”


Is this your second marriage ...or more?
You're in an adulterous marriage !

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Yet you give that exception clause which disproves your point completely. Except for pornea(sexual immorality).

You also may have forgotton that God forgives, wipes away our past, and loves to give His children fresh starts and new beginnings. He restores all that the locusts have eaten and uses what we have been though for good. He puts the lonely in families. Also that in the Bible a divorce always ends a marriage. Also that in the story of the woman at the well, He recognises all of the woman's past husbands as having been her husbands, except the man she is living with when they met who she wasnt married to. Had they been committing adultery and not married he would have said so.

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« Reply #3 on: Fri Jan 25, 2019 - 19:47:51 »
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Re: You cannot remarry...
« Reply #5 on: Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 03:47:15 »
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Matt 19: 8-9
 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

I suppose in that patriarchal culture, men had all the power and it was a given that being married was a way out of poverty for women; that women would never seek divorce.

In our culture, is a divorce legitimate if the husband is unfaithful?

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« Reply #6 on: Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 03:52:55 »
Also that in the Bible a divorce always ends a marriage.
That is not a true statement. All divorces as far as the law of the land ends all marriages, but not according to God's word does all divorces end a marriage, or Jesus' teaching concerning the law of marraige is wrong.
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
Mark 16:18~"Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery."
So your statement is not biblical.
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
Matthew 5:31,32~"It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."
Here the Lord Jesus added a clause exception to marriage and divorce, the "only exception" given in the word of God~the sin of fornication which takes in MANY SEXUAL SINS from incest (1st Corinthians 5)~to Sodomy (Jude 7) .....bestiality.....to Necrophilia....to Paraphilias, etc.  Marriage and divorce are LIMITED to sexual sins~I see no other exceptions in the word of God.

If my wife ever dies, I WOULD NOT marry a woman with a living husband, EXCEPT she left him because of fornication.

I will add this: IF my wife left me for whatever reason, I WOULD marry again to a woman who does NOT have a living husband....WHY do you ask? because men in the scripture were ALLOW to have more than one living wife at a time and were NOT considered by God to be living in adultery. That is so clear in the scriptures. A woman was NOT allowed to have two husbands at a time~no where do you ever see that practice in the word of God.  If you do not think that's fair then take it up with God when you see him on that day!
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Re: You cannot remarry...
« Reply #7 on: Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 04:46:57 »
That is not a true statement. All divorces as far as the law of the land ends all marriages, but not according to God's word does all divorces end a marriage, or Jesus' teaching concerning the law of marraige is wrong. So your statement is not biblical.  Here the Lord Jesus added a clause exception to marriage and divorce, the "only exception" given in the word of God~the sin of fornication which takes in MANY SEXUAL SINS from incest (1st Corinthians 5)~to Sodomy (Jude 7) .....bestiality.....to Necrophilia....to Paraphilias, etc.  Marriage and divorce are LIMITED to sexual sins~I see no other exceptions in the word of God.

If my wife ever dies, I WOULD NOT marry a woman with a living husband, EXCEPT she left him because of fornication.

I will add this: IF my wife left me for whatever reason, I WOULD marry again to a woman who does NOT have a living husband....WHY do you ask? because men in the scripture were ALLOW to have more than one living wife at a time and were NOT considered by God to be living in adultery. That is so clear in the scriptures. A woman was NOT allowed to have two husbands at a time~no where do you ever see that practice in the word of God.  If you do not think that's fair then take it up with God when you see him on that day!

Yet Jesus recognised all of the woman at the wells husbands as having been her husbands. So clearly He also recognised all of her divorces as having ended the previous marriages. God led me to that story when I was studying this subject. While he may not like divorce,(and who does), He recognises them as having ended previous marriages. Many in those days were also leaving their wives for another woman and not even giving her a certificate of divorce, so that she could not marry again. 

I would marry a man whose wife had either cheated or abandoned him or both. Or whose wife has committed some other sort of sexual immorality.

To the OP, of course in Bible times it was expected that women would marry again quite quickly, otherwise she would have been destitute.

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Re: You cannot remarry...
« Reply #8 on: Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 06:15:17 »
That is not a true statement. All divorces as far as the law of the land ends all marriages, but not according to God's word does all divorces end a marriage, or Jesus' teaching concerning the law of marraige is wrong. So your statement is not biblical.


If a marriage isn't assumed with the acceptance of God, why would it be necessary to seek God to end that marriage? I'm talking about the difference between a marriage that was granted legally by the state opposed to a marriage where the couple was ceremoniously presented to God. Shouldn't there be a difference if a couple marries purely for legal purposes, devoid of any commitment to God?

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« Reply #9 on: Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 06:17:13 »
I would marry a man whose wife had either cheated or abandoned him or both. Or whose wife has committed some other sort of sexual immorality.


Or if she chased him around the house with a butcher knife.

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« Reply #10 on: Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 07:16:05 »

Or if she chased him around the house with a butcher knife.

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« Reply #11 on: Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 07:18:25 »

If a marriage isn't assumed with the acceptance of God, why would it be necessary to seek God to end that marriage? I'm talking about the difference between a marriage that was granted legally by the state opposed to a marriage where the couple was ceremoniously presented to God. Shouldn't there be a difference if a couple marries purely for legal purposes, devoid of any commitment to God?

Also if a couple divorced for unbiblical reasons and remarried before they were Christians, and then became Christians, that is wiped away and forgiven anyway.

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« Reply #12 on: Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 08:40:48 »
If a marriage isn't assumed with the acceptance of God, why would it be necessary to seek God to end that marriage? I'm talking about the difference between a marriage that was granted legally by the state opposed to a marriage where the couple was ceremoniously presented to God. Shouldn't there be a difference if a couple marries purely for legal purposes, devoid of any commitment to God?
Like it was in Ezra 10? That may very well fall under what you are asking.
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Ezra 10:1-12~'Now when Ezra had prayed, and when he had confessed, weeping and casting himself down before the house of God, there assembled unto him out of Israel a very great congregation of men and women and children: for the people wept very sore. And Shechaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, answered and said unto Ezra, : yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing. Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law. Arise; for this matter belongeth unto thee: we also will be with thee: be of good courage, and do it. Then arose Ezra, and made the chief priests, the Levites, and all Israel, to swear that they should do according to this word. And they sware. Then Ezra rose up from before the house of God, and went into the chamber of Johanan the son of Eliashib: and when he came thither, he did eat no bread, nor drink water: for he mourned because of the transgression of them that had been carried away. And they made proclamation throughout Judah and Jerusalem unto all the children of the captivity, that they should gather themselves together unto Jerusalem; And that whosoever would not come within three days, according to the counsel of the princes and the elders, all his substance should be forfeited, and himself separated from the congregation of those that had been carried away. Then all the men of Judah and Benjamin gathered themselves together unto Jerusalem within three days. It was the ninth month, on the twentieth day of the month; and all the people sat in the street of the house of God, trembling because of this matter, and for the great rain. And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel. Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives. Then all the congregation answered and said with a loud voice, As thou hast said, so must we do."
Brother, would this fall under what you are asking? If so, let all consider this.

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Re: You cannot remarry...
« Reply #13 on: Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 10:21:27 »
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Here the Lord Jesus added a clause exception to marriage and divorce, the "only exception" given in the word of God~the sin of fornication which takes in MANY SEXUAL SINS from incest (1st Corinthians 5)~to Sodomy (Jude 7) .....bestiality.....to Necrophilia....to Paraphilias, etc.  Marriage and divorce are LIMITED to sexual sins~I see no other exceptions in the word of God.

If my wife ever dies, I WOULD NOT marry a woman with a living husband, EXCEPT she left him because of fornication.

I will add this: IF my wife left me for whatever reason, I WOULD marry again to a woman who does NOT have a living husband....WHY do you ask? because men in the scripture were ALLOW to have more than one living wife at a time and were NOT considered by God to be living in adultery. That is so clear in the scriptures. A woman was NOT allowed to have two husbands at a time~no where do you ever see that practice in the word of God.  If you do not think that's fair then take it up with God when you see him on that day!

Great post! Thank you for your thoughtful contribution to this thread.

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« Reply #14 on: Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 12:49:09 »
Like it was in Ezra 10? That may very well fall under what you are asking.  Brother, would this fall under what you are asking? If so, let all consider this.


I think that fits very well Red.

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« Reply #15 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 11:14:05 »
To all those trying to rationalize what was taught by Jesus, he supersedes all of your rationalization.

You are NOT allowed to remarry, indeed , you may get a divorce if your spouse committed adultery, but that does not allow you to remarry.


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« Reply #16 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 11:25:26 »
To all those trying to rationalize what was taught by Jesus, he supersedes all of your rationalization.

You are NOT allowed to remarry, indeed , you may get a divorce if your spouse committed adultery, but that does not allow you to remarry.


Nonsense

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« Reply #17 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 11:27:56 »
To all those trying to rationalize what was taught by Jesus, he supersedes all of your rationalization.

You are NOT allowed to remarry, indeed , you may get a divorce if your spouse committed adultery, but that does not allow you to remarry.
 

No where does the Bible say that we cant remarry if God blesses us in that way. No where does the Bible say that a divorce does not end the previous marriage, you have ignored the things we said, such as the story of the woman at the well.  If the people are divorced for sexual immorality or abandonment, they are then free to marry again. They are not longer married. They are single.

Maybe you dont think that God restores to us all that the locusts have eaten or gives fresh starts? Or that he forgives yours and my past sins?
I know that He does. I have seen it time and time again. I am sad that you haven't.
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« Reply #18 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 11:37:51 »
You believe that your sins will be forgiven if you do not obey Jesus?

The world has been told  a false gospel.

You cannot remarry , and if you do/ have , you are in an adulterous marriage.

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« Reply #19 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 11:39:01 »
You believe that your sins will be forgiven if you do not obey Jesus?

The world has been told  a false gospel.

You cannot remarry , and if you do/ have , you are in an adulterous marriage.


You're wrong and the Bible doesn't follow your allegations.

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« Reply #20 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 11:41:21 »
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Please see the OP for the scripture

If you see that and still disagree...Its not me your disagreeing with rather Jesus

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« Reply #21 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 11:51:55 »
There is also a post under the Theology forum discussing obedience to Jesus and his teachings

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« Reply #22 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 12:25:41 »
Keeping feeding the troll.

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« Reply #23 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 12:31:25 »
Sharing what Jesus teaches is not trolling.

Though to a world who rejected him and killed him when he came down for  what he taught.
Telling the world the same things Jesus taught will surely not make them popular
If they are staying true to the message

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« Reply #24 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 12:41:52 »
You believe that your sins will be forgiven if you do not obey Jesus?

The world has been told  a false gospel.

You cannot remarry , and if you do/ have , you are in an adulterous marriage.


You are wrong. We are not told we cant remarry if we are Biblically divorced.

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« Reply #25 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 12:43:08 »
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Please see the OP for the scripture

If you see that and still disagree...Its not me your disagreeing with rather Jesus


 Jesus never said that you can't remarry if you are divorced for those specific reasons.

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« Reply #26 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 12:47:45 »
Keeping feeding the troll.
Keeping feeding the troll goats....we shall see.  Now Billy, prove to me you are not a goat. Lets you and myself discuss this subject. Address Matthew 5; 19 AND EZRA 10. In the meantime, I'll look at Ezra ten with some thoughts for my brother Alan.  Right now, I have a duty to do call RESTING.

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« Reply #27 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 12:51:25 »
You are wrong. We are not told we cant remarry if we are Biblically divorced.
Chosenone, please tell me what you think is Biblically divorced~we know that all divorces are not biblical.

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« Reply #28 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 12:52:36 »
I also was going to comment and ask what you think biblically divorced is?

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« Reply #29 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 13:16:30 »
Chosenone, please tell me what you think is Biblically divorced~we know that all divorces are not biblical.
 

There are permitted reasons for a divorce to occur. Pornea, which can mean many different types of sexual immorality, and/or abandonment.  If someone divorces you against your will, that can be abandonment.
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« Reply #30 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 13:47:14 »
And you cannot marry someone who is divorced

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« Reply #31 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 13:56:09 »
And you cannot marry someone who is divorced

You are a troll.  But not a good one.   ::pokingwithstick::

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« Reply #32 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 14:02:12 »
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« Reply #34 on: Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 14:22:03 »
Crazy thing is ... when Jesus taught these things... the pharisees said the same thing about him.
John 8:48

I say to obey Jesus and this is what I'm told.

 

     
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