Does modern Christianity EVER face the reality of man-hating culture?

[Carwhisperer]

So how does this affect you on a daily basis? I think the number of feminists is pretty small. In my experience the vast majority of women generally buy into the traditional male-female role. They try to look pretty, like to bake you cookies, talk sweet, rub your back. Maybe a big part of the problem is that many of the feminist women have positions of power or influence (Like Secretary of State Clinton or the women in the video you linked)? But maybe they are not as influential as you/they think they are?

[Link]

There are books out that talk about how modern church culture caters to women and modern Christianity can be feminized.

My Protestant denomination does not allow adult women to teach in mixed groups of adults.  That being said, we are quick to point to the scripture that men and women are equal in the sight of God.   So I don't see that one gender is getting "slammed".

I know of no scripture that says men and women are equal.  I know of no scripture that says that all people or equal or that God loves all people equally.

[Link]

We live in a culture where the deck is stacked against men.

More wives than men file for divorces.  Women file the majority of 'no-fault' divorces.  It seems like it is pretty easy to take half, and about 5 days a week of time with the kids. 

In the Old Testament, God didn't allow women to initiate divorces.

There are scholarships for women, 'minority' scholarships, even though there are more women in college than boys nowadays. 

Women are more likely to hit their partners, I heard from one YouTube video which actually sited the video.  It is more likely to be an on-going thing.  Men who hit are more likely to do it as a one-off thing.  If a man calls the police for a domestic violence case, it is more likely that he will be arrested. 

A woman can accuse a man of sexual harassment, rape, or any number of things.  His reputation is ruined.  A man can accuse a woman, and people laugh at him. 

The thing that doesn't make sense is this, there are more men than women in the government making the laws.  Sure, women vote, but there are a lot of subtle things that can be done.

[Memphis Dwight]

It is a good thing that this topic was started.  Thanks to Cally. 

There are more and more women that are rejecting the brainwashing.  The problem is that the churches make and shape public opinion more than they want to admit and yet most churches are not being very helpful in this matter.  One could say that the churches are making the matter worse.

What I mean is that people are beginning to awaken.  We are not the same folks we were back in the 1940s when men were expected to just go volunteer for any and every war and get themselves killed.  Back then, it was considered manly to be that way.  And chivalry was actually working against men. 

Don't get me wrong, there are still plenty of people that buy into and promote a particular ideology that calls for both equality and chivalry at the same time. 

What is really dishonorable is the 'friendly' version of feminism.  It is much more honest to be a militant feminist than to be one of the Sarah Palin/Patricia Heaton types. 

Do you know what I mean? 

In other words, the type of feminist that wants to be outfront, outspoken, not a stay at home mom, yet rejects the shrill Hillary Clinton stereotype is the worse kind of feminist. 

Its just like the Apostle Paul said in his first letter to the Corinthian church:  Its better for a woman to shave her head bald than to just have short hair. 

If a woman considers it to be an insult to be a keeper at home, then she should go in the total opposite direction and completely throw off all signs of femininity.   

[Cally]

Memphis Dwight and Link, you guys sound amazingly on the ball.

A friend of mine, raised Hindi but has been visiting churches for the last few years (not yet a professing Christian) put it this way, working on his second Master's in business: church is essentially a business. People that come to churches are indeed hungry for truth and learning, not realizing that they themselves are the ones making them what they are--that is, churches aren't "teaching" nearly as much as they're selling a product, a "message" that will have the most mainstream appeal possible among its niche audience.

A business approach.

As Memphis Dwight said again, there's that hypocrisy of "chivalry" plus "equality." First, men hear this litany about all the disadvantages of women and cultures and their "oppression" and such, therefore they want equality. But what that REALLY means is that men have to endure a double burden in order to SIMULATE that equal world which isn't really without the old-school chivalrous treatment. Women tend very much not to seek after men's jobs that are dangerous and low on prestige and $$$. Their motivations never were for getting a job done or serving others, it was the money and the glory--they want to be the president, a war hero, a recognized scientist, not a coal miner or a heavy construction worker! Men, on the other hand, had better keep doing their old-school duties, or that whole world that is created for them will fall apart.

And now men are hurting like crazy for trying to carry them in baskets in this unprecedented fashion. Ironically, that "equal" world exists only because of male chivalry--just gotta give her what she wants. Ironically, male chivalry looks down on women and treats them like they're too stupid to be held accountable or put to their own sort of work. Just give it all to her. She can't help it. Male chivalry leads to a vulnerability to women--even when they claim they want equality!

[Cally]

We live in a culture where the deck is stacked against men.

More wives than men file for divorces.  Women file the majority of 'no-fault' divorces.  It seems like it is pretty easy to take half, and about 5 days a week of time with the kids. 

In the Old Testament, God didn't allow women to initiate divorces.

There are scholarships for women, 'minority' scholarships, even though there are more women in college than boys nowadays. 

Women are more likely to hit their partners, I heard from one YouTube video which actually sited the video.  It is more likely to be an on-going thing.  Men who hit are more likely to do it as a one-off thing.  If a man calls the police for a domestic violence case, it is more likely that he will be arrested. 

A woman can accuse a man of sexual harassment, rape, or any number of things.  His reputation is ruined.  A man can accuse a woman, and people laugh at him. 

The thing that doesn't make sense is this, there are more men than women in the government making the laws.  Sure, women vote, but there are a lot of subtle things that can be done.

You know what the retort is to that issue about school? Feminists will still complain that men get higher wages (even though there are FAR more homeless men than women).

School is light-years away from the working world. In school, you're rewarded for "following the rules," not innovation, not ambition, not thinking beyond convention, but those are the things that get you promoted and running businesses. I imagine maybe some women are saying "I'm doing everything right, how come I'm not getting promoted? It's that glass ceiling!" No, it's because the qualities you need to reach higher positions are extremely male traits for which boys and young men will be punished in school.

In effect, then, schools have gone down the toilet because of these accommodations in my assessment (though I question their validity regardless). School is definitely a girl's world, made tat way deliberately.

[Carwhisperer]

We live in a culture where the deck is stacked against men.

More wives than men file for divorces.  Women file the majority of 'no-fault' divorces.  It seems like it is pretty easy to take half, and about 5 days a week of time with the kids.  

In the Old Testament, God didn't allow women to initiate divorces.

There are scholarships for women, 'minority' scholarships, even though there are more women in college than boys nowadays.  

Women are more likely to hit their partners, I heard from one YouTube video which actually sited the video.  It is more likely to be an on-going thing.  Men who hit are more likely to do it as a one-off thing.  If a man calls the police for a domestic violence case, it is more likely that he will be arrested.  

A woman can accuse a man of sexual harassment, rape, or any number of things.  His reputation is ruined.  A man can accuse a woman, and people laugh at him.  

The thing that doesn't make sense is this, there are more men than women in the government making the laws.  Sure, women vote, but there are a lot of subtle things that can be done.

You know what the retort is to that issue about school? Feminists will still complain that men get higher wages (even though there are FAR more homeless men than women).

School is light-years away from the working world. In school, you're rewarded for "following the rules," not innovation, not ambition, not thinking beyond convention, but those are the things that get you promoted and running businesses. I imagine maybe some women are saying "I'm doing everything right, how come I'm not getting promoted? It's that glass ceiling!" No, it's because the qualities you need to reach higher positions are extremely male traits for which boys and young men will be punished in school.

In effect, then, schools have gone down the toilet because of these accommodations in my assessment (though I question their validity regardless). School is definitely a girl's world, made tat way deliberately.

When I read these posts by Cally and also Memphis Dwight I hear bitterness. Is this the way Christ wants us act/think? To resent women?

Cally, are you married or do you have a girlfriend?

[Cally]

^Nah, not married, no girlfriend.

I don't resent women and you'd be surprised that there are women out there who agree with everything some of us have said. It's not resentment, but a reality about things going on.

In fact, a lot of times I can get indignant with other men (indirectly) about how they think of women in different ways. I asked some men about liking women wearing high heels, they said they love it, and I said "but it's SO bad for them!" It'll do terrible things to their health in the long run. Same thing with lots of different kinds of make-up.

I certainly appreciate femininity when I come across it. Admittedly, I kind of quit looking for it because I find it rather dangerous to do so. Lots of ladies are far away from the "feminist" schools of thought, hut the danger simply is that people don't respond to hostility from women to men the same way they do from men to women.

Hence, it's dangerous out there. The video I posted is just an example. A while back I posted a study done that showed how people responded differently to a woman beating up a man from a man beating up a woman. Whoever is physically stronger is totally irrelevant when you're under a social law in which a woman can effectively do pretty much anything she wants to you.

But it IS changing, I think.

To reiterate my intent, I did start this thread to see how the men around here would react on this subject.

[Memphis Dwight]

Carwhisperer:

When I read these posts by Cally and also Memphis Dwight I hear bitterness. Is this the way Christ wants us act/think? To resent women?

Are you comparing yourself to Christ?

[Carwhisperer]

I see Cally. I don't think your statements are completely unfounded.

I sure hope I'm not comparing myself to Christ. I know I have a long way to go before I might be called Christ-like. But I think Jesus would be more loving and kind and not get embroiled in an us versus them battle on this issue.

[DaveW]

Memphis D said:

What is really dishonorable is the 'friendly' version of feminism.  It is much more honest to be a militant feminist than to be one of the Sarah Palin/Patricia Heaton types.

Do you know what I mean?

In other words, the type of feminist that wants to be outfront, outspoken, not a stay at home mom, yet rejects the shrill Hillary Clinton stereotype is the worse kind of feminist. 

And here I thought Hillary was the friendly feminist.  One who forgave her husband's infidelity and still kept her head held high.

So where do you place the Gloria Steinems and Jill Irelands who want to kill off men?

[Cally]

I see Cally. I don't think your statements are completely unfounded.

I sure hope I'm not comparing myself to Christ. I know I have a long way to go before I might be called Christ-like. But I think Jesus would be more loving and kind and not get embroiled in an us versus them battle on this issue.

Yes and I would say feminism attempts to make it sound like we have a "male vs. female" battle, but introduce a woman who believes in putting on a submissive manner (and depending on the type of feminist, opposes abortion) and you'll very quickly see that "male versus female" is absolutely not what we have on our hands.

I get concerned because what men mostly get are complaints and very little in the way of sympathy. For example, someone with an old-school view of society thinks it's shameful for men not to be working, and he or she won't think for two seconds that the REASON why we have dads who aren't the breadwinner to such a high degree is because feminism succeeded in putting equal (or at least nearly equal) women in the workforce. (That's a different discussion, but I'll leave it at that)

People will complain about not treating women "equally."

Others complain about men not being men.

Complain, complain, complain. I don't know too many women who lack the ability to complain about a man, but I get highly suspicious of a VERY large number of them when you have double standards like this video I posted and I can't see anywhere near the righteous indignation from them as when they feel they are mistreated or treated unjustly. In fact, a lot of women made a facebook page for having that woman (who is facing a life sentence in prison) released and some even commending her actions or "something must have brought it on" or whatever. Once again, I find all of these kinds of things common among the churchgoer population.

I am trying to untangle this mess. And what I'm trying to get at here is understand where other men come from.

[Memphis Dwight]

I sure hope I'm not comparing myself to Christ. I know I have a long way to go before I might be called Christ-like. But I think Jesus would be more loving and kind and not get embroiled in an us versus them battle on this issue.

Well Carwhisperer,  I guess I can't please all of the people all of the time.  

[Memphis Dwight]

And here I thought Hillary was the friendly feminist.  One who forgave her husband's infidelity and still kept her head held high.

So where do you place the Gloria Steinems and Jill Irelands who want to kill off men?

DaveW, are you comparing yourself to Christ?

[DaveW]

No - and not really sure what in my post made you think that.

Radical feminism wants to kill off all men.  (if and when they find a way to reproduce without us)