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I'm a homosexual
« on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 11:52:25 »
Ok....so where do I begin....I am a homosexual. That is a very difficult thing for me to admit...even anonymously on an internet forum. I am sure that my situation is not unique, BUT I am hoping that in some way by sharing this with others that maybe I just might get some help in dealing with it. I have been dealing with homosexual feelings for a long time now....in fact as far back as I can remember. It has been a VERY heavy burden and quite honestly I don't know what else to do about it any more. .....in fact outside of an encounter when I was still a boy I have NEVER "gone all the way". I even then knew that wanting to be with other boys was somehow wrong...even before I learned anything about God. I am still a virgin and I made up my mind to NEVER allow those lusts and feelings to lead me into the lifestyle.......but I want to be rid of it entirely!! I have been told that it is a spiritual oppression that somehow at sometime "latches" on to a person.... if this is so then why hasn't God answered my requests and prayers to be free of it? ::cryingtears:: ???

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« Reply #1 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 12:10:58 »
Hey Squirrel,

I think homosexuality is just another sin. It's good to see that you are doing your best to be a apart from it. Takes a lot of courage and effort to do something like that especially if it has to deal with emotions/feelings. It's hard to say no even though you want to right? I'm just a regular guy (straight) and I too deal with sins like lust. It's just so hard to say  no sometimes and I believe you don't just change after a week or two. It seems to me you change through a process of putting your faith into Jesus every single moment of your life. I still struggle with lust as all guys do and it's hard, but I believe if you consistently believe in Jesus, Jesus is going to believe in you more than you could ever believe. It works both ways, He has faith in you too. I want to leave you a verse also:

"No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it" (1 Corinthians 10:13).

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« Reply #2 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 21:17:59 »
Man Squirrel , that took courage. More than I can say for myself.  But I know what it feels like to be one of those wildabeasts on Animal Kingdom and you feel like your at the back of the heard and singled out by the hyienas. I have spent my life fighting lust but I won't give up and neither will you. Where else can we go? God is for us and I know Jesus loves us and the Holy Spirit is next to us all the time even when we feel like lepers. He is always letting me know that the Father will never let go of my hand.

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« Reply #3 on: Fri Jun 15, 2012 - 11:29:59 »
A man lying with another man in the way that a man would with women is fornication.  If not repented and baptized, will cost you your soul. 

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« Reply #4 on: Sat Jun 16, 2012 - 00:19:00 »
Thanks Danny for pointing out the obvious. Remind me to call you when my broken femur bone is poking out of my flesh so I can be sure what that awful pain is in my leg. I bet you work wonders with people on ledges.

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« Reply #5 on: Sat Jun 16, 2012 - 04:50:43 »
ROFL at Masondog. That was funny.

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« Reply #6 on: Sat Jun 16, 2012 - 05:00:17 »
Squirrell,

God loves you.  Please be assured of that.  
As a brother in Christ, I care for you and empathize with your struggle.
If you chose to be a celibate person to be consistent with you current values and beliefs, I think God can grant you peace in that.  
You aren't alone in this struggle.
It may be helpful to talk to a Christian therapist or any therapist.
One challenge is that many people have a need for touch, even apart from sexual interaction.  If you need a legitimate massage or hug, do it.  It will help you understand the different needs that you have.  
The materials at Exodus International are available although I'm not pushing or endorsing them.
God bless you.
 

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« Reply #7 on: Sat Jun 16, 2012 - 08:36:50 »
First off...Danny I'm am sure you meant well, but to say that I am annoyed by your response would be an understatement ::doh::.And here is why..........If you had really read my post you would see where I made the point that I have always known that it was wrong, AND that I have NEVER allowed my self to live the life....It tells me that you either commented after only reading the title OR you only read my original post halfheartedly and didn't really pay attention. I also said this
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I am still a virgin and I made up my mind to NEVER allow those lusts and feelings to lead me into the lifestyle

I DO NOT live the life because I know it is wrong and have vowed NEVER to do such things! Along with asking for God's forgiveness for any transgressions, isn't that repentance? Your not telling me anything that I do not already know. Also I believe the wording in the mosaic law was "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as you would with womankind for it is abomination" you used the word "fornication"  Where do you think the sin lies in all of this anyway? ...Is it in the TEMPTATION...In the INCLINATION...or in the ACTUAL ACT? Because if I am not mistaken isn't EVERYONE prone to temptation in one way or another?  and isn't EVERYONE inclined to sin? (I already know these answers so no need to "point out the obvious" like MASONDOG said). I am not looking to be told that "it is wrong and that I better not do it"....I already know that...what I am looking for is support from fellow believers and receiving advice on how to gain complete victory over it! Just telling someone they are wrong, quoting scripture and telling them that they better change, IS NOT going to win many souls for Christ! You need to help a weak or fallen brother in his struggles and times of weakness, pray for them and encourage them to keep on fighting... ::groupprayer::

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Re: I'm a homosexual
« Reply #8 on: Sat Jun 16, 2012 - 08:41:49 »
I want to take the time to thank all of you who have replied and offered your advice and encouragement....It has been a long road dealing with this....BUT...I am still determined to not allow it to overcome me... ::hug::  And thanks Masondog....that was kind of funny ::crackup::

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« Reply #9 on: Sat Jun 16, 2012 - 14:03:01 »
Hi Squirrel, first let me say I did read your entire post and I would like to ask you a few questions, if you don’t mind.

You said “in fact outside of an encounter when I was still a boy I have NEVER "gone all the way".

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« Reply #10 on: Sat Jun 16, 2012 - 18:59:59 »
Hi Squirrel, first let me say I did read your entire post and I would like to ask you a few questions, if you don’t mind.

You said “in fact outside of an encounter when I was still a boy I have NEVER "gone all the way".

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« Reply #11 on: Sat Jun 16, 2012 - 20:35:52 »
Is a person who has homosexual thoughts but never acts on them actually a homosexual? Perhaps in the mind of God since He said that a man lusting after a woman has already committed adultery in his heart. I don't believe that childhood experiences define who or what we are since we are still learning at that age and haven't chosen our path.

I a man who is attracted to children but never acts on those thoughts a pedophile? If he's never molested a child, do his thoughts make him a pedophile. It's too easy to place labels on ourselves of other people. I could do the same thing with myself, because I have impure thoughts but won't say what they are. Let's just say that the only label I care to put on myself is that of "born again, blood-bought, forgiven, a new creature in Christ, and a work in progress".

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« Reply #12 on: Sat Jun 16, 2012 - 22:30:28 »
That whole mind game of "who I think I am", I think is pretty important. I know there is a lot of controversy on self- esteem stuff like that SNL guy who always looks in the mirror and says " dog gone it I like me."  I can understand that pride can be insidious. I have been convicted both ways. Like on the freeway I think I know how to drive better than anyone else. But in a lot of other environments I just consider myself an expendable crap pile. But I have noticed that my personnel sins against myself like thinking about strange women or just wanting to zone out on a couple of beers ( that's all I can handle ) is usually worst when I am alone and down on myself.
Even trying to be funny came from self preservation technics that I learned at a young age trying to distract guys bigger than me who wanted to bash my head into the concrete.

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I am changing if you knew me ten years ago.  Pain is a paradox. It never hurt so bad yet I knew in my heart more that God was close then when my pain was unbearable. Even then all I could breath was the name of Jesus.
Whats really weird is that you would have never recognized me because I lived for decades in that room John Lynch calls " the room of good intentions".

I say keep pursuing that mystery about who Christ says you are in Him. Keep knocking and tell a few good jokes along the way.
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« Reply #13 on: Sat Jun 16, 2012 - 22:47:04 »

I a man who is attracted to children but never acts on those thoughts a pedophile?

I suspect you may have left out an "f" in the first word of this statement.  It reads quite a bit differently, with the "f" absent. ::pondering::

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« Reply #14 on: Wed Jun 20, 2012 - 10:16:10 »
Is a person who has homosexual thoughts but never acts on them actually a homosexual? Perhaps in the mind of God since He said that a man lusting after a woman has already committed adultery in his heart. I don't believe that childhood experiences define who or what we are since we are still learning at that age and haven't chosen our path.

I a man who is attracted to children but never acts on those thoughts a pedophile? If he's never molested a child, do his thoughts make him a pedophile. It's too easy to place labels on ourselves of other people. I could do the same thing with myself, because I have impure thoughts but won't say what they are. Let's just say that the only label I care to put on myself is that of "born again, blood-bought, forgiven, a new creature in Christ, and a work in progress".

I'm not quite sure about your first statement ::headscratch:: Using that logic I could just as easily pose the question "If a heterosexual that has never had sex with a member of the opposite sex still a heterosexual?" It is about what attracts someone to another sexually, It is something that is either in a person or not. Heterosexuality is the natural state of mind concerning sexual matters....homosexuality is not ( I believe that it is inspired and imposed on someone spiritually ). I also noticed that in your statement you said this....

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I don't believe that childhood experiences define who or what we are since we are still learning at that age and haven't chosen our path

I have already stated in previous posts that this is not something that I have chosen....it has been with me as far back as I can remember and I have been resisting it for just as long...If I had chosen anything in my past it was to fight and resist those feelings of homosexuality!

Concerning adultery -

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adultery  (əˈdʌltərɪ)
 
— n  , pl -teries
   voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man or woman and a partner other than the legal spouse adultery "voluntary violation of the marriage bed," c.1300, avoutrie, from O.Fr. avoutrie, aoulterie, noun of condition from avoutre/aoutre, from L. adulterare "to corrupt". Modern spelling, with the re-inserted -d-, is from early 15c. Classified as single adultery (with an unmarried person) and double adultery (with a married person). O.E.  word was æwbryce "breach of law(ful marriage)."


I believe that the verse you are referring to is talking about someone who is married and has taken vows to remain faithful, forsaking all others, but who is willfully observing, and lusting after someone other than their spouse and willfully considers having sex with that person. By entertaining the thought and dwelling on it, they have voluntarily committed adultery against their spouse in their heart. (remember they took a vow to forsake all others).

We all have sinful thoughts from time to time....but the difference comes when sinful thoughts enter our minds we are to push them out just as quickly as they came in, and NOT DWELL on them or ENTERTAIN them. We all have sexual attraction one way or the other. But I don't think sexual attraction alone is sin, IT IS HOW WE REACT TO IT and can result in sin if we allow those thoughts and feelings to overwhelm us and  to cause us to do those things that we shouldn't, or allow them to consume and control us. My battle with this thing has been a difficult one (emotionally) and has at times caused me to get weak...but only once did I become weak to the point of letting it overtake me. But I will agree that a person should keep their focus on God....because when you do, you  are less likely to become distracted. My ultimate goal is to be rid of ANY feelings of a homosexual nature....period. I would love for the day to come when I finally gain victory over the spirit of homosexuality and find myself a young lady that I have truly fallen in love with and once having married her, we start a family and live the rest of our lives with the Lord at the helm....that is my dream ( in this world anyway ).

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Re: I'm a homosexual
« Reply #15 on: Sat Jun 23, 2012 - 20:14:34 »

I a man who is attracted to children but never acts on those thoughts a pedophile?

I suspect you may have left out an "f" in the first word of this statement.  It reads quite a bit differently, with the "f" absent. ::pondering::

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Yes, I did leave it out. I usually proofread better than that.

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« Reply #16 on: Sat Jun 23, 2012 - 20:22:01 »
Well, Squirrel, I was just wondering what makes a person a homosexual, pedophile or any other title put on people. Do thoughts alone determine that or does he have to act on those thoughts before having that title put on him? I have certainly never wanted to have sex with a man or children, but some men do have those perverted thoughts and desires but never act on them. Are they as guilty as those who do act on their perverted sexual desires?

I know that God said that if a man lusts after a woman, then he has committed adultery already with her in his heart. So I guess that in God's eyes and mind having the thoughts and desires is the same thing as acting on those thoughts and desires.

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« Reply #17 on: Sun Jun 24, 2012 - 00:53:40 »
What makes someone a homosexual?....I believe its is a spiritual oppression that causes someone to be attracted to a member of the same sex...the act is the result. 

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Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Basically if you are looking at something you shouldn't be looking at...stop looking!

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30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

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Mark 9:45
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

If you are someplace you should not be......LEAVE!!

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Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

If you are married and you willfully allow yourself to lust after a woman (not your spouse) you have committed adultery by willfully entertaining the lust for that other woman. Lust is bad no matter how you do it, but He is specifically speaking about the sin of adultery here.

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So I guess that in God's eyes and mind having the thoughts and desires is the same thing as acting on those thoughts and desires.
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Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

What impure thoughts do you have? My sexual desires (when they come) unfortunately are directed at other men...but I do not allow those thoughts or tendencies to enter my mind for long because I push them away as quickly as they come...in essence I pluck out my right eye. Our thoughts are important and do play a role, but if we are condemned by thoughts alone then we are all in trouble!..Because sin is sin and everyone of us is guilty of impure thoughts of some kind or another which enter our minds..The difference is when those thoughts come, do we act on them, willfully entertain and dwell on them or do we push them away as quickly as they come? Do we willfully allow those thoughts to enter our minds, dwell on them, and lead us to do those things that satisfy the flesh (walking after the flesh )? Or do we deny our flesh, and cleanse our minds of those thoughts and allow the Spirit of God to lead us (walk after the Spirit)?  So I pose this question to you....what do you propose I do? Do you feel that there is no hope and should I just give up and give in because I cannot control my thoughts or desires and just having them is enough to condemn me anyway? Or should I walk after the Spirit and continue to resist my fleshly desires and follow after God and seek His deliverance from this horrible, awful thing that I do not want to be a part of me? ???

Well its time for bed ::sleepingsoundly::

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« Reply #18 on: Mon Jun 25, 2012 - 12:53:40 »
What makes someone a homosexual?....I believe its is a spiritual oppression that causes someone to be attracted to a member of the same sex...the act is the result.


Squirrel,

Very good insight!  You explain how the process works, and that it is a) the spiritual oppression that leads to b) the attraction, with c) the act being the final result.  Break this chain at any point, and the sin does not take place.

The enemy is constantly trying to get us to think we have already sinned after we've been tempted--it makes his job that much easier.


Quote from: Matthew 5:29
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Basically if you are looking at something you shouldn't be looking at...stop looking!

Quote from: Matthew 5:30
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

If you are doing something you shouldn't be doing...stop doing it!

Quote from: Mark 9:45
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

If you are someplace you should not be......LEAVE!!

Quote from: Matthew 5:27-28
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

If you are married and you willfully allow yourself to lust after a woman (not your spouse) you have committed adultery by willfully entertaining the lust for that other woman. Lust is bad no matter how you do it, but He is specifically speaking about the sin of adultery here.


This is a very simple and beautiful exposition of this Gospel passage.  You are on the right track.  (Manna!)

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« Reply #19 on: Fri Sep 02, 2016 - 22:42:32 »
In this day an age this is complicated.  God says that it is wrong and that it is a sin.  We are all sinners asking for forgiveness.  Paul stated in Romans 7:19-20
19) For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do – this I keep on doing.  (20) Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is the sin living in me that does it.

Satan is the destroyer.  He would have us turn away from God and give in to sin.  We all struggle with some kind of sin in our lives.  We need to run as far away from temptation as we can.

  Do what Jesus did when tempted, he quoted God’s word to Satan.  God’s word is the sword or weapon that Jesus used against temptation & Satan. Put on the full armor of God:  Ephesians 6:13-17  Whatever you do, do not go near that which temps you.  Use these swords in battle:  James 4:7 “Resist the devil and he will flee from you.”  2 Thessalonians 3:3, “The Lord is faithful, he will strengthen you and protect you from the evil one.” 

In Romans 1:24
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
In 1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man.  God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it. 
 
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« Reply #20 on: Fri Sep 02, 2016 - 23:16:56 »
In this day an age this is complicated.  God says that it is wrong and that it is a sin.  We are all sinners asking for forgiveness.  Paul stated in Romans 7:19-20

You dug up a 2012 thread.

Why is it on the issue of homosexuality do Christians have such a hard time faulting it without some general judgement against all people?   I've never heard, for example, someone condemn terrorism while proclaiming that we are all sinners.  What are you afraid of?

Why is it on the issue of homosexuality do Christian have a hard time faulting it without pointedly blaming God.  Do you do that with other sin?  You don't hear, for example, someone say "God says theft is a sin".  What are you afraid of?

Stop cowering to the world.  It's God who can throw you into Hell, not the PC Police.

It's not complicated.  Someone with homosexual feelings, I see no reason in spite of the propaganda, that they can't change those harmful feelings with discipline and time. Attraction is fluid.  And, anyone can choose not to hook up with a same-sex partner.

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« Reply #21 on: Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 16:16:51 »
If homosexuality is a judgement from God, see Rom. 1:21-27, upon a people who deny God, then how can one be a homosexual and be Christian?

When one comes back to that place of faith in God and repentance, then he is no longer a homosexual.

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« Reply #22 on: Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 16:30:28 »
One must fight his inclinations. I am a repentant butt kicker. I must fight everyday the inclination within me to kick somebody's butt. I know one homosexual individual who has repented of that lifestyle. He has to fight the inclinations within him by the power of the Holy spirit. Just like with any sin. An unrepentant homosexual is still living IN that sin. Just like an unrepentant liar is still living in that sin.
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« Reply #23 on: Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 18:38:15 »
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Your miss the point.  The author of this thread says he is a 'homosexual'.    Again, if homosexuality is the result of unbelief towards God, then how can one be a homosexual and be Christian.  Answer:  They can't.

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« Reply #24 on: Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 18:46:01 »
I don't know that it is a result of unbelief in God. As I said I know a homosexual that believed in God, but just wasn't willing to turn his back on the homosexual lifestyle. He finally overcame but he said he still has to battle the inclinations. One HAS to be WILLING to overcome. As I stated I have had to repent or turn from my pugnacious behavior all the while believing in God. God doesn't like a pugnacious man.
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« Reply #25 on: Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 18:55:00 »
Jamie

Did you not read the verses I gave?   Homosexuality is the second giving up by God for mans rejection and unbelief of God.  Rom. 1:26-27.  Compare to Rom. 1:21-23.

Homosexuality is the result of a judgment from God for their unbelief.   If one then becomes a 'believer' in God and Christ, he is no longer a homosexual. 

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« Reply #26 on: Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 23:52:55 »
Jamie

Did you not read the verses I gave?   Homosexuality is the second giving up by God for mans rejection and unbelief of God.  Rom. 1:26-27.  Compare to Rom. 1:21-23.

Homosexuality is the result of a judgment from God for their unbelief.   If one then becomes a 'believer' in God and Christ, he is no longer a homosexual. 

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I believe and I still find blokes attractive. My first consensual sexual experience was with a guy thought and I wasn't a Christian then so hey. Also, I wouldn't say that I was a homosexual while I didn't believe either because it's really hard to get a dude pregnant yet a dad I am.

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« Reply #27 on: Tue Sep 06, 2016 - 00:18:38 »
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It doens't matter what you say.  What matters is what the Bible says.

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Re: I'm a homosexual
« Reply #28 on: Tue Sep 06, 2016 - 00:38:00 »
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Yes, that's why there are no conflicting theological discussions, because it's clear cut and involves no interpretations whatsoever. It hasn't been changed through history, nor has it been translated or altered to fit the agendas of the translators. That's why there's only one translation since it was orally handed down until it was written in Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek! ::sarcasmalert:

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Re: I'm a homosexual
« Reply #29 on: Tue Sep 06, 2016 - 04:00:25 »
I believe and I still find blokes attractive. My first consensual sexual experience was with a guy thought and I wasn't a Christian then so hey. Also, I wouldn't say that I was a homosexual while I didn't believe either because it's really hard to get a dude pregnant yet a dad I am
You have a perverted mind~you gave it away with your love/fascination with dragons.
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Red or black, a dragon's a dragon
Most all sodomites are fascinated with dragons....wonder why? Hint.......
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Revelation 13:4~"And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"
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Re: I'm a homosexual
« Reply #30 on: Tue Sep 06, 2016 - 04:29:10 »
I believe and I still find blokes attractive. My first consensual sexual experience was with a guy thought and I wasn't a Christian then so hey. Also, I wouldn't say that I was a homosexual while I didn't believe either because it's really hard to get a dude pregnant yet a dad I am
You have a perverted mind~you gave it away with your love/fascination with dragons.
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Red or black, a dragon's a dragon
Most all sodomites are fascinated with dragons....wonder why? Hint.......
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Revelation 13:4~"And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"



Not a "A Song of Ice and Fire" fan, are we? In it, there is a royal noble Valyrian family, House Targaryen of Dragonstone. They're were one of the last Dragon Lord Freeholders - blood lines which could rise dragons - and such their sigil was a red 3-headed dragon on a black field (sable, a dragon thrice headed gules) the 3 heads being of Aegon the first and his two sister wives (Valyrian families committed incest and polygamy to keep their rare traits, violet eyes and silver blonde hair, strong).

They had a cadet branch, House Blackfyre of King's Landing, which were born of bastardry and, according to Andal law, bastards (in this case the family's founder, Daemon Blackfyre, was the bastard of Aegon IV) could not bare their arms so bastard sons would invert their personal arms which, in Daemon's case as my avatar shows, is a black 3-headed dragon on a red field (gules, a dragon thrice headed sable).

The quote is a paraphrase of a character,  Illyrio Mopatis to Tyrion Lannister, about when House Blackfyre of Kings Landing rebelled against their parent branch, House Targaryen of Dragonstone, they they deemed themselved better claimants to the Iron Throne of the 7 Kingdoms of Westeros. These rebellions occurred 5 times before the known male lines of House Blackfyre were thought to be extinct.

The reason why I take the moniker of Daemon Blackfyre on all online identities is he respresents something that means a lot to me. See, in A Song of Ice and Fire, even bastards of nobility are despised as lesser people, they weren't allowed their family's titles, holdings or even their name, often given a 'bastard' name usually drawing from the region they were from, like Flowers if you were from The Reach or Snow if you were from The North. Daemon Blackfyre, and his ancestors, were thought by many to be better claimants to their ancestral holdings than their parent branch, House Targaryen, despite their origins of bastardry.

The idea I draw from the Blackfyre Rebels is even bastard, the lowest and despised, can be claimants to a kingdom. There's an idea of hope for those downtrodden to have just as much opportunity as those who are not. Not only did the Blackfyres fight for recognition even after their legitimisation, people followed them, were inspired by them. SO back to that quote that was said to Tyrion Lannister by Illyrio Mopatis, "Black or red, a dragon is still a dragon.". That is to say, the black dragon, the sigil of House Blackfyre of King's Landing was equal to the red dragon, the sigil of House Targaryen of Dragonstone. That bastards were just as good as their noble parents. That people like me - drug addled teen parents from impoverished areas with not much to show but scars on their wrists - were not to far removed from kings.

So call that perverted if you wish.
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Re: I'm a homosexual
« Reply #31 on: Tue Sep 06, 2016 - 05:02:52 »
So call that perverted if you wish.
I was speaking more concerning these words:
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I believe and I still find blokes attractive. My first consensual sexual experience was with a guy thought and I wasn't a Christian then so hey.
and it IS SO, that sodomites are fascinated with dragons. As a believer and knowing what name of animals are linked to Satan, WHY would any believer want to allow themselves to be carried away with a fascination of such? It does not add up.
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Re: I'm a homosexual
« Reply #32 on: Tue Sep 06, 2016 - 05:24:01 »
When did I say that I get carried away with fascinations? I find some guys attractive. Also find many girls attractive. So do you probably. If a shirtless woman walked down the street I'm sure you'd either turn your head or struggle and turn away deliberately because you're attracted to sheilas. Don't need to get carried away wth anything there cobber. I read nothing that said as moment you give your life to knowing Jesus you become an asexual paragon of purity which is only interested in marital copulation in the missionary position for the sole purposes of bonding and procreation.

Also, not fascinated with dragons, evidently you had your eyes painted on while having a squizz at my post.

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Re: I'm a homosexual
« Reply #33 on: Tue Sep 06, 2016 - 05:26:13 »
Yes, that's why there are no conflicting theological discussions, because it's clear cut and involves no interpretations whatsoever. It hasn't been changed through history, nor has it been translated or altered to fit the agendas of the translators. That's why there's only one translation since it was orally handed down until it was written in Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek! ::sarcasmalert:

Your attack on the integrity of the Bible shows that you're not a Christian.  I don't see how someone can have faith in Christ if they think the Bible is unreliable.  What are you here for?
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Re: I'm a homosexual
« Reply #34 on: Tue Sep 06, 2016 - 05:40:18 »
Yes, that's why there are no conflicting theological discussions, because it's clear cut and involves no interpretations whatsoever. It hasn't been changed through history, nor has it been translated or altered to fit the agendas of the translators. That's why there's only one translation since it was orally handed down until it was written in Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek! ::sarcasmalert:

Your attack on the integrity of the Bible shows that you're not a Christian.  I don't see how someone can have faith in Christ if they think the Bible is unreliable.  What are you here for?
I didn't mean it was unreliable, I'm saying absolutist statements seen a bit rushed. Especially the fact that there are people who use the bible to suggest there's no free will or that there's there's a judgement after 1,000 years after Jesus returns, or is it before? I'm not sure about a lot of things, I'm still reading and learning this stuff and yeah, making me feel pretty uncertain about a lot of topics. Great example - this forum is the first time I have seen people suggest that everything in the bible is liberally true, cross my heart about that and it diversifies from there.

So when I read "this is all that this can mean" blinkers kinda go off.

 

     
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