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MISANDRIC INSULTS and INNUENDO
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miˈsandrē/Submit noun dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men (i.e., the male sex).


Christian men are as apt to be insulted by sexist remarks from Christian women as they are from abusive misandric feminists.  It happens in casual conversation at home.  It happens in conversations and in meetings in the work place.  It happens in public.

It seems to be acceptable for all women to utter some sort of sexist remark or exhibit a flagrant negative attitude toward men in general or even of those they know personally. 

As a public example, I've taken my wife out to dinner at nice local restaurants.  I'm not talking about McDonald's or Golden Corral either.  More often than not and especially among younger waitresses I'll be treated with the indifference one normally gives to a potted plant in the corner of the dining room.  The waitress will not make eye contact, engage in friendly professional banter, or even present the check to me.  How about asking who gets the bill?

During a recent Bible study, my class was informed by one of the women present that it is impossible for a heterosexual man to love Jesus Christ.  Affection for God is a gay male thing the moderator told the class.  Only women could sincerely love the Son of God.  All the women agreed.

At work my female supervisor often gave unjust and ill advised support and advantages to female employees even when they performed in ways that embarrassed our department.   The men were lectured and told they were being inappropriate when they voiced concern about female negligence and ineptitude.

I for one love Jesus Christ.  I'm not gay, but I love the Lord notwithstanding.   If I admit to this in church am I lying?  If I really do love Jesus, is it wrong?
I like to be acknowledged with appropriate service in the public venues and businesses.  Is this wrong?
I wish to be treated on the same level as any other employee at work.  Is this wrong?

It's ok for women to support one another, but I have noticed that women often group together to attack men at work or in informal gatherings.   Is this wrong?

What say you.

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Re: MISANDRIC INSULTS and INNUENDO
« Reply #1 on: Sat Apr 28, 2018 - 17:15:40 »
Man that comment about the Bible study - that only women and gay men could truly love Jesus - is really something else. I'm kind of shocked to hear that, although it sounds like it must be a very liberal "church" and I'm surprised that to think that you can't find any better alternatives to that situation.

But yes, misandry is HUGE in the modern church. Ironically the whole issue goes full-circle because the solution is about the innate value of a man's life, how he is loved by God, and that he is in fact an emotional being (with emotions that MATTER) - and women's existence negates none of that and is not a force that overrides any of it, as much as we see that effect in practice (women allowed to do harm to men with far more impunity, boast over men as superior, etc.).

One thing that's almost hilariously paradoxical about notions of women's superiority is the question: if women are morally superior to men, then why aren't they blowing us away with grace?

*prostate cancer has 1/16th the public funding of breast cancer (to say nothing of private).
*there are 2000 DV shelters for women in the country and exactly 1 for men (women are violent too - it is undisputed that the highest rate of DV is between lesbians).
*The overwhelming majority of victims of homelessness, suicide, war deaths, and workplace deaths are suffered by men.

It goes on and on. But since women are morally superior, surely they're showing it by being as active for men's sake like for themselves as women, right? Actually there are 60+ federal programs for women and girls and not even a single one for men (to say nothing of state programs and funding).

And what I find interesting is that, of women who actually ARE active for men's issues the way virtually any woman (at least of the modern Western sort) with a little time on her hands fights for Team Female, they are very notably devoid of these notions of supremacism over men. It's actually like James says:

James 4:11
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

Romans 2:3-4
3 Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?

It would be awesome if women actually WERE morally superior to men. Just think of all the grace and acts of love that would be coming in our direction, meant to build up and restore! And with the churchgoing population being a huge majority female, we're going to be BLOWN AWAY, right?

I haven't put myself in the way of too many situations like you describe but I know they're out there. I have seen men's groups do real acts of volunteer work for women and have never seen the same kind of organized effort go the other way.

It's HUGE for men to be on guard for their souls in this matter, and that this is such a force that can wound us and lead us astray from rightstanding with God on SO many levels. But, we have to have that focus: protecting ourselves and pleasing the Lord. We MUST be on guard against various "wolves," and that includes those in the form of women (which takes special effort these days).

I have a blog that I started years ago that I meant to be an alternative atmosphere for men. It doesn't have a whole ton of content on it, but some have found it helpful:

https://selfdefensiveman.com/

Blessings in Christ! :)

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Re: MISANDRIC INSULTS and INNUENDO
« Reply #2 on: Fri May 04, 2018 - 03:43:51 »
mis·an·dry
miˈsandrē/Submit noun dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men (i.e., the male sex).


...  It happens in public. [it used to happen to me frequently in the swim pool I use, bullied by cliques of 2 or more female swimmers using the un-roped area - not considering or understanding my problem of very poor sight.  Some shrug their shoulders saying "Everyone has their problems!"  which is probably true but doesn't solve the pool situation and the necessity for me of keeping close to a wall or adjacent lane rope, which I can see although badly out-of-focus.  Cannot see anyone approaching until they are within 2-3ft, and even then just a shapeless blur. If something is badly out-of-focus - it's just as if it's not there - a sure recipe for "head-on" collisions in the pool!  Can't get prescription goggles of sufficient strength to see decently! It got so bad that one chap often comments on the situation when he sees me - "Have the ladies been on at you again?".  Happily most other frequent pool users make allowances for me now, and I am very grateful for them! It has become a habit for me now, on pool entry, to gingerly check out that no other swimmer is in the same "swim line" as me, since cannot see the end wall even until quite close!]

It seems to be acceptable for all women to utter some sort of sexist remark or exhibit a flagrant negative attitude toward men in general or even of those they know personally.
 
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During a recent Bible study, my class was informed by one of the women present that it is impossible for a heterosexual man to love Jesus Christ.  Affection for God is a gay male thing the moderator told the class.  Only women could sincerely love the Son of God.  All the women agreed. [How wicked! I thought it was our gratitude for what He has done for us through His great plan of redemption, sending His "living word" who became flesh, on a mission to become our Sin offering and great High Priest, to become "The Way" for us to come to The Father, reconciled to Him by the shedding of the Precious Blood  ("There is no expiation without the shedding of blood") - His unmerited favour and mercy - these are the reasons for us loving Him. Any reference to "Gay Love" is of "darkness"!   However, as a man I feel "uncomfortable" about being (albeit a very small) part of the church as "the bride of Christ" (Mmmm! What happens at the Consummation after the wedding?!). However, I do not believe that anything sensual has a place in Heaven, but the "language" is unfortunately couched in familiar human terms.  This is emphasized by the allegorical statement of Jesus "I go to prepare a place for you, so that where I am, you may be also" - which is what used to happen in traditional Hebrew marriages.]

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It's ok for women to support one another, but I have noticed that women often group together to attack men at work or in informal gatherings[They often seem to be very quick to take offence at what they consider, or imagine, to be male failings"].   Is this wrong?

What say you.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
     

At one of our recent Bible study group meetings, our (female) leader thought it would be a good idea for us to see how women were "marginalized" in the Bible - yes they were, but that was just the "mores" of the culture at the time.  Has the "pendulum" swung the other way now - and we could be "air-brushed out of the picture" in the future world!?  Yet - typical "male chauvinist pig" that I am - I do not like the "gender neutral" versions of the Bible that now exist! 
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Re: MISANDRIC INSULTS and INNUENDO
« Reply #3 on: Fri May 04, 2018 - 17:32:48 »
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At one of our recent Bible study group meetings, our (female) leader thought it would be a good idea for us to see how women were "marginalized" in the Bible - yes they were, but that was just the "mores" of the culture at the time.  Has the "pendulum" swung the other way now - and we could be "air-brushed out of the picture" in the future world!?  Yet - typical "male chauvinist pig" that I am - I do not like the "gender neutral" versions of the Bible that now exist!

One of many things that needs to be asserted about the "oppression of women" in the dreaded "back then" (i.e. any time earlier than the 1970s).

God cracked down on the Israelites for an issue as trivial as tithing in Malachi. In Matthew, Jesus clearly indicates tithing to be a "gnat" of an issue when confronting the Pharisees.

So we can see God making sure that He cares about a gnat of an issue. But that same God makes no mention - over thousands of years of Israel's history - of this ubiquitous "oppression of women"? Peter says (in the New Testament) to women: be like Sarah, who called Abraham her "master," but the "oppression of women" of old is something God is clearly against?

The modern world, in feminist kool-aid, wants to control God and put words in His mouth. If the "oppression of women" was a to-do from the Lord, no less being an issue that allegedly plagued humanity all through the ages, then we would be reading about it - there is simply no doubt about that.

But yes, on the other hand, look at what modern women (i.e. on average, barring some amazing exceptions) demonstrate having been "liberated": it's a tag-team. They are very happy to be privileged, orient the culture to revolve around their issues at the expense of men.

And yet - consider the umpteenth government-funded "department of women and girls," incredible disproportions of attention given to women's and girls' issues: it's actually the same thing, different day insofar as men have to make it all happen for women, foot the bill and create the world with whatever back-breaking work it takes for women to live in. Countless facts back THAT up.

What happens when men take a page out of modern women's book? Well, when you do, you're going to hear ad hominems like "oh, you're just bitter" while no one talks about thousands of women dressing up as their own genitals in the name of feminism, and any such voice will not have a WORD to refute the facts that back it up: in ages past, men are shown to be very much imperfect and sinful, likewise with women, but the modern world made a one-sided focus on the issue and overlooked the fact that (since time immemorial) men have also worked hard and often clear to death to take care of women, and right now, THAT is what's getting exploited.

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A misandric attitude is not disguised by being the one who shouts the loudest.   

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« Reply #5 on: Wed Jun 20, 2018 - 09:34:16 »
A misandric attitude is not disguised by being the one who shouts the loudest.
Amen to that.  I feel so sorry for the little boys bring raised today in this most recent imagined fear of "male toxicity."  (As if it isn't already hard enough for them in this world of "queer-worshiping.")

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« Reply #6 on: Tue Jul 03, 2018 - 16:10:50 »
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As a public example, I've taken my wife out to dinner at nice local restaurants.  I'm not talking about McDonald's or Golden Corral either.  More often than not and especially among younger waitresses I'll be treated with the indifference one normally gives to a potted plant in the corner of the dining room.  The waitress will not make eye contact, engage in friendly professional banter, or even present the check to me.  How about asking who gets the bill?

Have you tried flirting with the server?  Works for me. (Edit: so long as Mrs. Barbarian is there)   Works better for Mrs. Barbarian.   Last time she flirted with the waiter, she got a double shot in her frozen Margarita.

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During a recent Bible study, my class was informed by one of the women present that it is impossible for a heterosexual man to love Jesus Christ.  Affection for God is a gay male thing the moderator told the class.  Only women could sincerely love the Son of God.  All the women agreed.

Not scriptural.   The word was "agape." 

Agape (Ancient Greek ἀγάπη, agapē) is a Greco-Christian term referring to love, "the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for man and of man for God".[1] The word is not to be confused with philia, brotherly love, as it embraces a universal, unconditional love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance. The noun form first occurs in the Septuagint, but the verb form goes as far back as Homer, translated literally as affection, as in "greet with affection" and "show affection for the dead".[2] Other ancient authors have used forms of the word to denote love of a spouse or family, or affection for a particular activity, in contrast to eros (an affection of a sexual nature).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape

I suppose there are places like yours, but since most businesses are run by men, discrimination normally goes the other way. 

I think the best thing might be to find another job, and let them know in the exit interview why.


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Re: MISANDRIC INSULTS and INNUENDO
« Reply #7 on: Sun Dec 16, 2018 - 16:27:40 »
Misandry is the most important political topic NOT discussed.

Like governments, churches are a reflection of the society in which they come from. Pop culture teaches women to use men (as tools) and the double standard that while we ought to fundamentally respect women, men have to "earn" respect - and, of course, men never quite "earn" proper respect.

In all circumstances, recall that man is made in the image of God, is the glory of God while women are the glory of man. That is, keep yourself grounded in being self-confident. Remember, Christians have always been hated. It only has the power you give it. God is your rock.

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« Reply #8 on: Fri Sep 06, 2019 - 03:55:35 »
Have you tried flirting with the server?  Works for me. (Edit: so long as Mrs. Barbarian is there)   Works better for Mrs. Barbarian.   Last time she flirted with the waiter, she got a double shot in her frozen Margarita.

Not scriptural.   The word was "agape." 

Agape (Ancient Greek ἀγάπη, agapē) is a Greco-Christian term referring to love, "the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for man and of man for God".[1] The word is not to be confused with philia, brotherly love, as it embraces a universal, unconditional love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance. The noun form first occurs in the Septuagint, but the verb form goes as far back as Homer, translated literally as affection, as in "greet with affection" and "show affection for the dead".[2] Other ancient authors have used forms of the word to denote love of a spouse or family, or affection for a particular activity, in contrast to eros (an affection of a sexual nature).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape

I suppose there are places like yours, but since most businesses are run by men, discrimination normally goes the other way. 

I think the best thing might be to find another job, and let them know in the exit interview why.

Typical nit picking response to avoid the subject at hand.     When I say "love" God I MEAN love God.   I mean to love god with ALL my heart, ALL my mind and ALL my spirit - according to the 1st commandment, not some Greek aberration of language.    According to women this is impossible for a male to do.   Let's get to the point here.   This is pure unadulterated sexism on the part of the females.    Do they have a monopoly on devotion to God?

In most businesses run by men the integrity of the division or department or business is foremost.   When run by women, its appearance only and at the expense of the males.

Does leaving a job improve working conditions there for other men or does it show me to be a quitter?   You are recommending "cut and run".  Do you do that every time you have trouble - run away from it?

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Aug 27, 2021 - 07:41:19 »
Have you tried flirting with the server?  Works for me. (Edit: so long as Mrs. Barbarian is there)   Works better for Mrs. Barbarian.   Last time she flirted with the waiter, she got a double shot in her frozen Margarita.

Not scriptural.   The word was "agape." 

Agape (Ancient Greek ἀγάπη, agapē) is a Greco-Christian term referring to love, "the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for man and of man for God".[1] The word is not to be confused with philia, brotherly love, as it embraces a universal, unconditional love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance. The noun form first occurs in the Septuagint, but the verb form goes as far back as Homer, translated literally as affection, as in "greet with affection" and "show affection for the dead".[2] Other ancient authors have used forms of the word to denote love of a spouse or family, or affection for a particular activity, in contrast to eros (an affection of a sexual nature).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape

I suppose there are places like yours, but since most businesses are run by men, discrimination normally goes the other way. 

I think the best thing might be to find another job, and let them know in the exit interview why.

Since when is it appropriate to flirt with one's server?   My post made mention of polite banter.  That's a long way from flirting.  Its a long way from any sort of communication anyway.

I agree with your definition of agape love.  You are entirely accurate.   Unfortunately our women do not agree.  A flat statement is made and all the women agreed with it.  I stopped attending the Bible study.

I wasn't working for a business per se.  I was employed by a local state college.  The academic arena is full of all sorts of toxic abuses and forbidden areas.  You have no idea how bad it is. (*)  Simply accusing the administration and staff of liberal attitudes doesn't even come close to tapping into the legion of problems this sort of political environment causes.   I worked for the college for many years.  In the beginning it was a fine place to work for and its employees quite responsible.   In recent years attitudes ethics and performance have corrupted everyone's performance.  A once fine institution has gone right down the toilet.  For instance, a woman was named a department head (not my dept. - that was a different woman) and pulled down a six digit income - until it was discovered she didn't even have a college degree to justify her hire.   The college president, who hired her, wasn't challenged.  The woman was quietly dismissed from her position and the whistleblower was demoted.  I must add that this correction would not have happened if local newspapers hadn't been eagerly waiting and watching for a slip-up.   

On the other hand, I discovered that a young nursing mother had been retreating to a broom closet to use her breast pump.  This was certified by her physician, but the only privacy she had was the public toilet or the broom closet.  State regulations require a decently apportioned clean and comfortable room be provided for nursing mothers/employees.  When I raised the issue I was told to shut up or suffer consequences.  That was one of the last straws to break.  Not long after that I put in my papers for early retirement. 

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(*) I spoke to an instructor in our Chemistry department and was bemoaning the constant changes in textbooks added every year.  Students were once able to sell back their textbooks and gain a little money toward the next term, but not any more.  Publishers make deliberate changes so as to promote more and more expensive editions of their product.  The chemistry professor agreed with me.  She told me that publishers are even looking into ways to alter the Periodic Table of the Elements so as to promote textbooks sales.  The Periodic Table was once thought to be an inviolate part of scientific education.  Not any more, apparently. 

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« Reply #10 on: Tue Aug 31, 2021 - 05:40:47 »
I was employed by a local state college.
You're about 3 years late in replying, but its your topic, so I guess that's fine.

I think I found the problem in the quoted portion, here.

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« Reply #11 on: Fri Nov 26, 2021 - 07:44:13 »
One of many things that needs to be asserted about the "oppression of women" in the dreaded "back then" (i.e. any time earlier than the 1970s).

God cracked down on the Israelites for an issue as trivial as tithing in Malachi. In Matthew, Jesus clearly indicates tithing to be a "gnat" of an issue when confronting the Pharisees.

So we can see God making sure that He cares about a gnat of an issue. But that same God makes no mention - over thousands of years of Israel's history - of this ubiquitous "oppression of women"? Peter says (in the New Testament) to women: be like Sarah, who called Abraham her "master," but the "oppression of women" of old is something God is clearly against?

The modern world, in feminist kool-aid, wants to control God and put words in His mouth. If the "oppression of women" was a to-do from the Lord, no less being an issue that allegedly plagued humanity all through the ages, then we would be reading about it - there is simply no doubt about that.

But yes, on the other hand, look at what modern women (i.e. on average, barring some amazing exceptions) demonstrate having been "liberated": it's a tag-team. They are very happy to be privileged, orient the culture to revolve around their issues at the expense of men.

And yet - consider the umpteenth government-funded "department of women and girls," incredible disproportions of attention given to women's and girls' issues: it's actually the same thing, different day insofar as men have to make it all happen for women, foot the bill and create the world with whatever back-breaking work it takes for women to live in. Countless facts back THAT up.

What happens when men take a page out of modern women's book? Well, when you do, you're going to hear ad hominems like "oh, you're just bitter" while no one talks about thousands of women dressing up as their own genitals in the name of feminism, and any such voice will not have a WORD to refute the facts that back it up: in ages past, men are shown to be very much imperfect and sinful, likewise with women, but the modern world made a one-sided focus on the issue and overlooked the fact that (since time immemorial) men have also worked hard and often clear to death to take care of women, and right now, THAT is what's getting exploited.

When Jesus referred to tithing He compared it to hypocrisy of other aspects of the LAW. 

In point of fact, tithing is not required in the NT at all.   It simply says that when one makes a promise or pledge to give a certain amount God expects us to pay it all.  One is not required to tithe at all.  I find it ludicrous that protestants deny necessities and authority of the LAW even as they quote the LAW when it comes to tithing.   It seems money is the root of the modern church just as being the root of evil.

You are entirely correct in stating that male authority and contributions to society are being ignored and hijacked.  In fact so is all of European contributions to civilization.  The list is long.  Sexist females, who have little or no knowledge to back up their opinions, seem to be at the forefront of society.   Such an arrangement has always preceded the fall of empires in the past.  Ours is no exception.

I liked your post.  Keep them coming.

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Nov 26, 2021 - 08:43:14 »
To give as we have been prospered substantially raises the bar over the tithe. Similarly the command of Jesus to not only do not murder, but do not harbor anger in your hearts is a RAISING OF THE BAR. same with lust as opposed to the act of adultery. Jesus didn’t abolish the bar, he RAISED it. I can easily avoid murder or adultery,  but anger and lust is WAY more difficult. Likewise it is relatively easy to tithe, but giving as I have been prospered is not so simple.
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« Reply #13 on: Fri Jan 14, 2022 - 08:08:51 »
You're about 3 years late in replying, but its your topic, so I guess that's fine.

I think I found the problem in the quoted portion, here.

Jarrod

What problem?

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« Reply #14 on: Wed Feb 16, 2022 - 07:18:46 »
At one of our recent Bible study group meetings, our (female) leader thought it would be a good idea for us to see how women were "marginalized" in the Bible - yes they were, but that was just the "mores" of the culture at the time.  Has the "pendulum" swung the other way now - and we could be "air-brushed out of the picture" in the future world!?  Yet - typical "male chauvinist pig" that I am - I do not like the "gender neutral" versions of the Bible that now exist!

Cultural development in 21st century America generally means that white males are marginalized.  Ethnic groups and women aren't.  Not any more.
Cultural development in 21st century America attempts to DIScredit the historic record of the Bible. 

If the Bible is wrong, so it is assumed, then nobody has to abide by it. Protestants who agree with this axiom work hand in glove with atheists who scoff at every Word of God's Word.  The issue here is the treatment of women in the Bible.

I've heard sermons and read excerpts, as I'm sure you have, of the creation of Eve.  She was taken from Adam's rib - so as to be equal.  She wasn't taken from his foot, so as to be crippled in servitude and she wasn't taken from Adam's skull so as to promote DISrespect of Adam.  Today it's argued that women weren't considered as equal.  The Bible DOES give account of times when women were badly treated, but that's a fact of recorded history not theology.

An example of outdated treatment of women may be seen today in the Islamic culture.  According to Qur'an, a woman is worth half that of a man.  For example, in court cases requiring a witness two women equal a man's testimony.   Thus rape cannot be prosecuted because its 'he said, she said'.  Such cases are thrown out because of the inequality of women.  According to Qur'an a man is allowed to keep a blunt instrument in his house which may be used to beat the woman into submission should she wander from cultural norms.  The blunt instrument is to be prominently display in the house as a reminder of punishment due to the woman.  NOWHERE does the Bible promote such unequal treatment.  Islam isn't the only culture that degrades women, but it seems in America such facts don't matter. 

The Bible, they say, isn't to be respected or admired or imitated because of these FALSE accusations.

Thus white males in America face an uncertain future.  Lies and innuendo increase with the result that both the Bible and male authority are being swept under a cultural carpet that respects neither male gender or God's LAW.

IF GOD DOES NOT JUDGE AMERICA HE WILL HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO SODOM AND GOMORRAH.
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Re: MISANDRIC INSULTS and INNUENDO
« Reply #15 on: Wed Feb 16, 2022 - 07:27:49 »
To give as we have been prospered substantially raises the bar over the tithe. Similarly the command of Jesus to not only do not murder, but do not harbor anger in your hearts is a RAISING OF THE BAR. same with lust as opposed to the act of adultery. Jesus didn’t abolish the bar, he RAISED it. I can easily avoid murder or adultery,  but anger and lust is WAY more difficult. Likewise it is relatively easy to tithe, but giving as I have been prospered is not so simple.

Not simple?  It isn't required either.

Nowhere in the gospels or epistles is tithing mentioned as a required act.   It IS required according to the LAW, but those legal requirements have been skewed by churches so as to raise money to benefit the church staff, not the laity.  Do our religious leaders live better than we do?  If so there's a problem.   

Consider that the LAW is generally looked upon with disdain in our churches.  It isn't taught and it isn't considered to be part of the redemptive process.  BUT it IS embraced when donations are demanded.   How hypocritical.

If we look into the LAW of tithing we see that it was promoted to an agrarian society.  In Israel two crops are harvested each year.  One was supposed to SET ASIDE 10% of the first of the crops or of the flocks and herds.   What was done with the money?   It wasn't given to the priests, BY THE LAW.  It was set aside at harvest time, not every week or two.  Once every seven years the tithe was given to the priests at the temple - ONCE IN SEVEN YEARS by the LAW.

According to Deuteronomy 14:26 one spent the money elsewhere OTHER THAN THE RELIGIOUS VENUE AND PRIESTS.  "YOU may spend the money on anything you desire: cattle, sheep, wine, strong drink, or anything you wish. You are to feast there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice with your household"

In other words, go on vacation and have a good time - praising God for His goodness and the money in your pocket.

THAT'S THE LAW OF TITHING BOYS AND GIRLS.

What about giving?  What does Jesus and the apostles say about it?

While tithing isn't required one's PROMISE to give IS TO BE HONORED.   If one decides to promise a certain amount of money God expects payment to be fulfilled TO THE PENNEY.  He will certainly help to complete such an oath, but completion IS REQUIRED.  (Acts 5)  Sometimes the Holy Spirit will ask for a certain amount of money.  If so, His request is to be obeyed.  He won't cripple people with His requests either.  He's been known to help out in each case.  He is part of the process and doesn't stand to one side and wait for an opportunity to punish.  It's about discipleship, not legalism.

Therefore Jesus says to let your YES be YES and your NO be NO. (James 5:12)

Don't give a dime if you don't want to, but if you DO promise to give your own oath is your bond (as in "being tied to it with ropes").

Hope this helps.

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Re: MISANDRIC INSULTS and INNUENDO
« Reply #16 on: Wed Feb 16, 2022 - 08:10:01 »
During a recent Bible study, my class was informed by one of the women present that it is impossible for a heterosexual man to love Jesus Christ.  Affection for God is a gay male thing the moderator told the class.  Only women could sincerely love the Son of God.  All the women agreed.
Biblical ignorance is RAMPANT in the protestant and evangelical churches these days.  A "Gay man" cannot properly love the Lord as God calls that lifestyle an abomination. (worse than detestable)

Don't these people understand the bible?? 
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Re: MISANDRIC INSULTS and INNUENDO
« Reply #17 on: Wed Feb 16, 2022 - 13:15:36 »
What problem?
Location... post-secondary educational institutions have been a bastion of misandry for a while now.

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Re: MISANDRIC INSULTS and INNUENDO
« Reply #18 on: Wed Feb 16, 2022 - 13:23:41 »
If we look into the LAW of tithing we see that it was promoted to an agrarian society.  In Israel two crops are harvested each year.  One was supposed to SET ASIDE 10% of the first of the crops or of the flocks and herds.   What was done with the money?
There was no money.  They tithed in crops.  The point of the tithe was to create a backup supply of grain as a hedge against famine.

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Re: MISANDRIC INSULTS and INNUENDO
« Reply #19 on: Wed Feb 16, 2022 - 16:29:47 »
The tithe, according to Numbers 18, was the sole support for the Levites.

Num 18:24  For the tithe of the people of Israel, which they present as a contribution to the LORD, I have given to the Levites for an inheritance. Therefore I have said of them that they shall have no inheritance among the people of Israel."

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Re: MISANDRIC INSULTS and INNUENDO
« Reply #20 on: Thu Feb 17, 2022 - 03:45:10 »
The tithe, according to Numbers 18, was the sole support for the Levites.

Num 18:24  For the tithe of the people of Israel, which they present as a contribution to the LORD, I have given to the Levites for an inheritance. Therefore I have said of them that they shall have no inheritance among the people of Israel."
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Re: MISANDRIC INSULTS and INNUENDO
« Reply #21 on: Thu Feb 17, 2022 - 03:49:43 »
Actually, I posted that in response to W_S statement in reply#18, "The point of the tithe was to create a backup supply of grain as a hedge against famine."